一个对中国人来说相当头疼的问题

[marklin]

Learning another language is considered an asset, even if it's not for job purpose. Here in Canada, particularly in Ottawa (Quebec being an exception because french is second to none), knowing french will not only get you government job, but many private sectors that do business with the government would also prefer hiring people with the language ability. It's like learning programming languages, the more you know, the more to your advantage.

I myself have been learning languages all my life, mandarin, spanish, english and french (result of 2 time immigration.. Although I wouldn't say I've mastered all of them, I can communicate quite comfortably with people in any of them. This has helped me move up the ladder at my current work (government, though I have yet to master the oral, got E-C-B!!)

And, you get bilingual bonus pay as well on top of your salary, and people around you will smile at you more because they don't often see asians speak french ..:-D

In conclusion, I encourage people to learn FSL if you have time and energy, after all, french is Canada's official language and is here to stay at least for generations..

FYI, there are free french courses offered throughout the town, registration is coming up next week, take full advantage of it!

 

[沙河粉]

最初由 La Nouvelle 发布
做IT 的 会法语有什么用呀？

除了在渥村找政府工作

最近特烦。。政府连 IT 工作也要会法语！！！

真正的强劲猛人应该在多伦多或温哥华找联邦政府工作。 那里没有双语的要求。但是竞争
也较为激烈, 因为联邦政府职位在多伦多和温哥华相对较少。

 

[La Nouvelle]

最初由 soaring 发布
If you have some French knowledge already, it should be fairly easy for you to pass the reading comprehension and writing tests at B level after a couple of weeks/months' preparation. (For the reading test, you need only score 38 out of a total of 65 multiple choice questions to get a B, and for the writing, 31 out of 55.)

The oral interaction will be more difficult, but I think you can do it if you have the determination to master the language (just think of it as one of the many programming codes/scripts you have to deal with in the IT field!). There are many advantages for you to become officially bilingual -- eg other job opportunities will come up, this particular position may not be filled by a permanent employee for the time being and may be open for competition again etc. You never know.

Besides, the French language happens to be one of the most beautiful languages in the world -- you won't regret learning it, as your life will be enriched by your access to another great culture. Bonne chance!

yes, I agree reading comprehension is much easier in French, becasue it has some many words similar to English.

Oral seems really difficult for me. Do you know what they will ask or talk about in the oral test?

oh, definitely if you know French, you will have tons of opportunities in Ottawa, but useless anywhere else in other parts of the country.

yes, people often say it's the most beautiful language. but I think the grammar is really freakish, you know, like those conjugation, liaison, placing object in front of the verbs...kind of stuff.

thank you so much for you encourgement. Bonne chance to you too.

 

[La Nouvelle]

最初由 marklin 发布
Learning another language is considered an asset, even if it's not for job purpose. Here in Canada, particularly in Ottawa (Quebec being an exception because french is second to none), knowing french will not only get you government job, but many private sectors that do business with the government would also prefer hiring people with the language ability. It's like learning programming languages, the more you know, the more to your advantage.

I myself have been learning languages all my life, mandarin, spanish, english and french (result of 2 time immigration.. Although I wouldn't say I've mastered all of them, I can communicate quite comfortably with people in any of them. This has helped me move up the ladder at my current work (government, though I have yet to master the oral, got E-C-B!!)

And, you get bilingual bonus pay as well on top of your salary, and people around you will smile at you more because they don't often see asians speak french ..:-D

In conclusion, I encourage people to learn FSL if you have time and energy, after all, french is Canada's official language and is here to stay at least for generations..

FYI, there are free french courses offered throughout the town, registration is coming up next week, take full advantage of it!

wow, good for you. Hardly know any Chinese who could speak Spanish and French.

I was initially more interested in Spanish, because I like the weather, sand, beach and the tropical feel of those latin America countries. oh, yeah, the spanish music. I would like to go to travel to those countries someday. I took a course in Spanish when I was in the University(shame to say, I probably already forget most of what I learned).

Now, I am in Ottawa, it seems I have to study French instead. I think if I decide to really get a good grasp of the French language, I will never study Spanish again, becasue it's incredibly time and energy consuming to learn a new language.

But the real problem I have with French is that I feel that the biligual policy is not fair, especially to immigrants. Don't you think? people don't like it if they are forced to do something.

 

[Tony138]

Re: Re: 一个对中国人来说相当头疼的问题

最初由 La Nouvelle 发布



谁能回答这个问题呢？

政府工作都留给法裔人!

 

[La Nouvelle]

Re: Re: 一个对中国人来说相当头疼的问题

最初由 沙河粉 发布

真正的强劲猛人应该在多伦多或温哥华找联邦政府工作。 那里没有双语的要求。但是竞争
也较为激烈, 因为联邦政府职位在多伦多和温哥华相对较少。

if 真正的强劲猛人, you won't even stay in Canada

 

[La Nouvelle]

Re: Re: Re: 一个对中国人来说相当头疼的问题

最初由 Tony138 发布


政府工作都留给法裔人!

That's exactly the problem I have with French.

Does master the Frech will make me a French-Canadian?

I feel like being forced to do something and that feels like raping.

 

[La Nouvelle]

最初由 gocanoeing 发布
至于入门则是另一回事，如果某个部门真的需要，而的确又找不到合适的人，他们可以重新设定语言方面的要求。

yes, other people could only take the left-over jobs. The jobs they couldn't even find a single way under-qualified Frech to fill, then, only then they will find way over-qualified non-french to fill.

 

[Tony138]

Re: Re: 一个对中国人来说相当头疼的问题

最初由 La Nouvelle 发布



谁能回答这个问题呢？

http://www.comefromchina.com/newbbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=541583&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

最初由 如假包换的马甲 发布


难怪的说

前车之鉴呀

看看穆斯林,犹太人.....

很多歧视是隐性的...you don't even have a chance to stand up.....

 

[marklin]

最初由 La Nouvelle 发布


wow, good for you. Hardly know any Chinese who could speak Spanish and French.

I was initially more interested in Spanish, because I like the weather, sand, beach and the tropical feel of those latin America countries. oh, yeah, the spanish music. I would like to go to travel to those countries someday. I took a course in Spanish when I was in the University(shame to say, I probably already forget most of what I learned).

Now, I am in Ottawa, it seems I have to study French instead. I think if I decide to really get a good grasp of the French language, I will never study Spanish again, becasue it's incredibly time and energy consuming to learn a new language.

But the real problem I have with French is that I feel that the biligual policy is not fair, especially to immigrants. Don't you think? people don't like it if they are forced to do something.

It's true that spanish is somewhat useful too in north america (usa, needless to say), most central and south american countries all speak spanish! those sun vacations: cuba, mexico, dominican republic, puerto rico, honduras... it's very practical!

As a matter fact, learning spanish will help you learn french, and vice versa, since both languages have very similar grammar and syntax! so I wouldn't say it's too time/energy consuming..

I totally understand your feeling about canada's bilingualism towards immigrants, but it's understandable for a country to take such measures, after all, had they not imposed such regulations, most immigrants will opt to learn only english, hence putting canadian french culture in jeopardy, and that's not what a democratic government should do.

 

[soaring]

口试时间一般半小时左右，大致分为以下几个部分：

１）Warm up：考官会按照你事先选定的两、三个话题（天气、兴趣爱好、家庭等等，有表格供你填写），跟你聊几分钟天，目的是让你放松，逐渐进入状态。这一部分不受评估，即考官不能据此判断你的语言能力。

２）接下来的正式对话是考查几个基本时态的运用：现在时－－叙述你现在的情况，比如在哪工作或学习，解释主要工作职责是什么、一般每天做哪些事情等；过去时（主要是交替使用passé composé及imparfait）－－叙述过去发生的事情，比如最近一次度假、如何申请到现职等；然后通常有个模拟对话(role play)，比如考官是你上司，你需要陈述理由，力图说服上司派你去巴黎三个月学习法语等。

Level B要求你有基本的叙述、解释能力，即会使用简单完整的句子及正确的时态来交代时间、地点、人物、原因、what（what的中文是啥？）等。许多材料都可以事先准备，练熟了就可以灵活运用，关键在于正确使用时态，内容无所谓，可真可假。你可以犯些错误，也可以在遇到词汇问题时用解释的方法来代替。如果没听清考官的话，你会用非常熟练的法语说你没听懂，请对方再说一遍。有时侯你可以把你认为听懂但不确定的问题复述一下，问对方是否是这个意思，等等。只要你努力地去自信、努力地用法语交流，成功就在望了。

一般情况下，考官会在上述对话期间插问一些要求你进一步表达观点看法的问题，看你能否使用较复杂的句子及时态来阐述较复杂的思想、谈论更多话题等，这就是在考你有没有Level C的能力了。（每个考官事先并不知道考生需要达到哪级水平。）

３）最后几分钟，考官会问一些诸如面试结束后你有何计划、这个周末有什么活动之类的问题，主要看你能否使用将来时，然后就关掉录音机，结束口试。

具体面试肯定是因人而异，仅供参考，但愿有所帮助。

 

[La Nouvelle]

最初由 soaring 发布
口试时间一般半小时左右，大致分为以下几个部分：

１）Warm up：考官会按照你事先选定的两、三个话题（天气、兴趣爱好、家庭等等，有表格供你填写），跟你聊几分钟天，目的是让你放松，逐渐进入状态。这一部分不受评估，即考官不能据此判断你的语言能力。

２）接下来的正式对话是考查几个基本时态的运用：现在时－－叙述你现在的情况，比如在哪工作或学习，解释主要工作职责是什么、一般每天做哪些事情等；过去时（主要是交替使用passé composé及imparfait）－－叙述过去发生的事情，比如最近一次度假、如何申请到现职等；然后通常有个模拟对话(role play)，比如考官是你上司，你需要陈述理由，力图说服上司派你去巴黎三个月学习法语等。

Level B要求你有基本的叙述、解释能力，即会使用简单完整的句子及正确的时态来交代时间、地点、人物、原因、what（what的中文是啥？）等。许多材料都可以事先准备，练熟了就可以灵活运用，关键在于正确使用时态，内容无所谓，可真可假。你可以犯些错误，也可以在遇到词汇问题时用解释的方法来代替。如果没听清考官的话，你会用非常熟练的法语说你没听懂，请对方再说一遍。有时侯你可以把你认为听懂但不确定的问题复述一下，问对方是否是这个意思，等等。只要你努力地去自信、努力地用法语交流，成功就在望了。

一般情况下，考官会在上述对话期间插问一些要求你进一步表达观点看法的问题，看你能否使用较复杂的句子及时态来阐述较复杂的思想、谈论更多话题等，这就是在考你有没有Level C的能力了。（每个考官事先并不知道考生需要达到哪级水平。）

３）最后几分钟，考官会问一些诸如面试结束后你有何计划、这个周末有什么活动之类的问题，主要看你能否使用将来时，然后就关掉录音机，结束口试。

具体面试肯定是因人而异，仅供参考，但愿有所帮助。

Merci beaucoup! trés utile!

为我写了这么多，真不知道怎么感谢好。

 

[La Nouvelle]

最初由 marklin 发布


It's true that spanish is somewhat useful too in north america (usa, needless to say), most central and south american countries all speak spanish! those sun vacations: cuba, mexico, dominican republic, puerto rico, honduras... it's very practical!

As a matter fact, learning spanish will help you learn french, and vice versa, since both languages have very similar grammar and syntax! so I wouldn't say it's too time/energy consuming..

I totally understand your feeling about canada's bilingualism towards immigrants, but it's understandable for a country to take such measures, after all, had they not imposed such regulations, most immigrants will opt to learn only english, hence putting canadian french culture in jeopardy, and that's not what a democratic government should do.

English and French have a lot of words in common too. Sometimes, I wonder why the French still borther with preserving their language? because English already helps preserve the French language in some ways.

It's understandable from the French perspective but not from the immigrants perspective. Don't the immigrants have the right to choose? Do they have choices? Do they have democracy? Don't they have their culture to preserve as well? Are their culture less worthy for preserving than the French? The biligualism precisely makes the government non-democatic.

 

[Tony138]

最初由 La Nouvelle 发布


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It's understandable from the French perspective but not from the immigrants perspective. Don't the immigrants have the right to choose? Do they have choices? Do they have democracy? Don't they have their culture to preserve as well? Are their culture less worthy for preserving than the French? The biligualism precisely makes the government non-democatic.

 

[marklin]

Of course every citizen has the right to choose, the right to work, the right to live the way they want, the right to do anything they want! You are the right not to learn french, but you just lose your chance of job opportunity, chance of promotion, chance of acquiring another asset..:-D