歧视性的绿卡

最初由 qlgc 发布


宪法,在任何一个民主共和国家,是至高无上的。中华人民共和国,又是人民,又是共和,当然不应该例外。

中国的宪法,是中共一手炮制的自相矛盾,狗屁连篇的宪法。

即使这么一个完全体现中共一党私利的宪法,中共仍然不能遵守,仍然肆意践踏。

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请问qlgc
你一时说“暂住证,违反宪法;宪法是至高无上的”,一时说“宪法是狗屁,不支持。”
你到底是想怎么样呢?
她所谓至高无上的宪法,是指在她心里的那个最新自创的修改案,他说的那个狗屁宪法,才是全国人大用的那个呀。。
 
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举个例子,一个2个bedroom的房子,最多住四个人左右,超过了,大家之间必然会产生不少的矛盾,且渐渐恶化,所以就得控制人口,不能再继续让其他人进入了。如何控制呢?就得区别有交房租的和没交房租的。
同样的道理,在加拿大学习的留学生,所交纳的费用也是比当地居民高很多的。简而言之,追求绝对的公平是不可能的,也是不现实的。
暂住证有其弊端的一面,但请不要只看见弊端的一面而一叶障目了。
至于宪法如何如何,我有点法盲,我关心的只是实际效果如何了。

另外,这东西是“北京市公安局负责人日前透露”,所以我是不大相信的。;)
I have a different view on this example, so I'd like to extend your example a little bit further.
A family has a two bed-room house with four children, let's assume all the children contribute to the construction of the house. Later, 3 of them left the house for whatever reasons (compelled, maybe). After some years, the outside three children want to return their original house, but the one who lives there told his/her brothers/sisters, "No, you cannot live here any more because I have a big family, there is no place", if you are one of the 3 children, what do you think ?
I always believe Chinese peasants have contributed too much to the country to a extend that they are actually deprived severely by the country machine. I am not from countryside, but I did have some classmates (in my junior middle school) who came from the countryside. To be honest, whenever I think of the hardship they endured, I feel definitely sorry. You can never imagine what they eat everyday and their cloths. It is really a pain to reflect those days (early 80s). What can I say ....?
 
最初由 yh_abc 发布

I have a different view on this example, so I'd like to extend your example a little bit further.
A family has a two bed-room house with four children, let's assume all the children contribute to the construction of the house. Later, 3 of them left the house for whatever reasons (compelled, maybe). After some years, the outside three children want to return their original house, but the one who lives there told his/her brothers/sisters, "No, you cannot live here any more because I have a big family, there is no place", if you are one of the 3 children, what do you think ?
I always believe Chinese peasants have contributed too much to the country to a extend that they are actually deprived severely by the country machine. I am not from countryside, but I did have some classmates (in my junior middle school) who came from the countryside. To be honest, whenever I think of the hardship they endured, I feel definitely sorry. You can never imagine what they eat everyday and their cloths. It is really a pain to reflect those days (early 80s). What can I say ....?


After some years, the outside three children want to return their original house, but the one who lives there told his/her brothers/sisters, "No, you cannot live here any more because I have a big family, there is no place", if you are one of the 3 children, what do you think ?

这就是矛盾了。你觉得这么多的人住在这个一个小屋子里会没矛盾吗?
我也同情民工的艰苦生活,但感情不能替代一切,更多的民工拥入同一个城市,民工在这个城市里的生活水平只会更差。
小恩小惠并不是对民工最大的同情。
 
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After some years, the outside three children want to return their original house, but the one who lives there told his/her brothers/sisters, "No, you cannot live here any more because I have a big family, there is no place", if you are one of the 3 children, what do you think ?

这就是矛盾了。你觉得这么多的人住在这个一个小屋子里会没矛盾吗?
我也同情民工的艰苦生活,但感情不能替代一切,更多的民工拥入同一个城市,民工在这个城市里的生活水平只会更差。
小恩小惠并不是对民工最大的同情。
:cool:
 
Admit it or not, in China, we have a systematic discrimination policy aginst no-city-dwellers, which is absolutely wrong.
I think if you give fair and honest policies to the countryside areas (note: I am not asking for preferential policies, just fair and equivalent policies), the situation will be totally different. I know there will be lots of conflicts in a crowded space, but my point is: You cannot deprive one's RIGHTS because of conflicts. In my previous example, why should not the inside child get out of the house or compensate for the other three children ? In terms of rights, they are all EQUAL, aren't they ?
 
那是大家一起穷,一起死了是最公平了。
bill gates凭什么比我们有钱啊?大家都是住在同一个地球上,所有的资源都应该大家一起分。
有钱和社会地位,不是靠同情能获得的,是凭个人的劳动能力所决定的,你叫民工去搞电脑,叫bill gates去起房子,这叫浪费资源。
effiency和equnity是两样对立的东西,要求绝对的equnity,这个社会就会没有effiency了,和原始社会差不多了。所以只能在这两者之间取一个平衡点,福利制度就是这两者之间妥协的一个结果。
 
补充一句,就像叫一个寒窗苦读二十年的医生,和一个小学毕业的民工拿同样的工资水平,你会觉得公平吗?
 
这套言论跟中共的社会主义可不沾边呀。

谁告诉你效率和平等是对立的?莫非将equilibrium当成equality了?(just kidding) 根本是风马牛不相及的两件事。想用经济学解决社会问题也应该先学好经济学再说。:D


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那是大家一起穷,一起死了是最公平了。
bill gates凭什么比我们有钱啊?大家都是住在同一个地球上,所有的资源都应该大家一起分。
有钱和社会地位,不是靠同情能获得的,是凭个人的劳动能力所决定的,你叫民工去搞电脑,叫bill gates去起房子,这叫浪费资源。
effiency和equnity是两样对立的东西,要求绝对的equnity,这个社会就会没有effiency了,和原始社会差不多了。所以只能在这两者之间取一个平衡点,福利制度就是这两者之间妥协的一个结果。
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
这套言论跟中共的社会主义可不沾边呀。

谁告诉你效率和平等是对立的?莫非将equilibrium当成equality了?(just kidding) 根本是风马牛不相及的两件事。想用经济学解决社会问题也应该先学好经济学再说。:D
好,那你告诉我,是不是要不加限制,任由人潮将经济发展较好的城市的环境,治安等等条件全部破坏,要穷大家一起穷,这样才是你们期盼的民主?才是fair ?那么原住民呢?仅仅因为家乡的经济比较发达,就不得不承受家园被毁之苦吗?
 
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那是大家一起穷,一起死了是最公平了。
bill gates凭什么比我们有钱啊?大家都是住在同一个地球上,所有的资源都应该大家一起分。
有钱和社会地位,不是靠同情能获得的,是凭个人的劳动能力所决定的,你叫民工去搞电脑,叫bill gates去起房子,这叫浪费资源。
effiency和equnity是两样对立的东西,要求绝对的equnity,这个社会就会没有effiency了,和原始社会差不多了。所以只能在这两者之间取一个平衡点,福利制度就是这两者之间妥协的一个结果。

Why bill gates is rich? He worked for it.
Believe me, people from country side are as smart as you and me. Giving them fair chance, they can build up "for loops" much quicker than many of us here.

We are extremely lucky to be living at better places, but being lucky is not the excuse for ignoring those who are not that lucky.
 
最初由 ray902 发布

好,那你告诉我,是不是要不加限制,任由人潮将经济发展较好的城市的环境,治安等等条件全部破坏,要穷大家一起穷,这样才是你们期盼的民主?才是fair ?那么原住民呢?仅仅因为家乡的经济比较发达,就不得不承受家园被毁之苦吗?

Sorry, I am following you everywhere. :D

Don't have much to say, but just to copy/paste your post and change a bit:

好,那你告诉我,...那么 nong 民呢?仅仅因为家乡的经济比较bu发达,就不得不承受starvation?
 
这就证明了无论在任何地方绝对平等是不存在的
 
忘了以前跟谁讨论过(好象是safari)市场经济和控制经济的利弊。渐渐一直都是崇尚Laissez-Fair economy的。但不能否认,纯粹的市场经济几乎不可能实现。加拿大也是个混合经济型国家。

渐渐认为,自由选择居住地是一个公民的最基本的权力。你明白权力的真正含义吗?
权力不是别人给你的,而是本来就属于你的,是你应得的。共产党最擅长的就是将你本来所有的东西掠夺走,再少量还给你,却让你感恩戴德。你不觉得这是种彻头彻尾的欺骗吗?
 
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