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最初由 ray902 发布
过量的民工涌入城市---》城市环境，治安下降----》市民怨声载道------》市民仇视民工---》民工在城市的生活只会越来越差 --- > 民工总要活下去――》越来越多人挺而走险――》市民对民工越来越厌恶――》矛盾激化，冲突加剧――》城市形象毁于一旦――》外商无安全感――》撤资――》城市衰败――》民工走

I have to admit what you said is possible. But my reasoning has been practised for many times and seems to be working. Can you give me one example where your result occured?

 

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最初由 wei 发布

每个城市的资源是有限的，你说够两个人喝的水，十个人如何分？只能大家喝少很多，如果你理解不了，我无话可说。
refer to my post above.


政府干什么用的？政府的作用是提高社会的效率。
Wrong! A government's top priority is to maximize all citizens benifit.

Tell you what, China has BIG population problem right now. The fastest way of decreasing the population is to start a war. Would you think it's a rational solution?

每个城市的资源是有限的，你说够两个人喝的水，十个人如何分？只能大家喝少很多，如果你理解不了，我无话可说。
refer to my post above.
真的和你角度完全不一样了。

A government's top priority is to maximize all citizens benifit.

所以要限制人口的流入，否则大家都没好处。

 

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最初由 wei 发布


This is much better. BUT:
过量的民工涌入城市---》城市环境，治安下降----》市民怨声载道------》市民仇视民工---》民工在城市的生活只会越来越差 --- > ming gong will move out --> the city needs more labors --> some ming gong move back to city --> too many ming gong in the city -->....
Eventrually, there will be a equilibrium where the City Natives and the minggong can live peacefully and happily.

To me, this is a much better solution than treating "minggong" as criminals and send them back home unconditionally.

这是理想中的情况，但现实现在和理想不一样，请注意，我早已强调了是--过量，
民工的流入量早已超出了循序渐进的范围内。

 

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最初由 wei 发布


I have to admit what you said is possible. But my reasoning has been practised for many times and seems to be working. Can you give me one example where your result occured?

广州就是这样的了，治安差了很多，我家的那栋楼，今年就发生了一宗命案，五宗盗窃案，全部都是抢钱。

 

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真的和你角度完全不一样了。
we can never get any agreement on this , if our assumptions are totally different.


A government's top priority is to maximize all citizens benifit.

所以要限制人口的流入，否则大家都没好处。

At least you agree with me on this point. Do you know that a lot of peasants don't have money to send their kids to school, don't have money to see doctors? Do you know that moving to city is about the ONLY way for them to survive? There were some kids ( my mom's students) from country side lived with my family before. Do you have the slightest idea that many of them barely had enough rice to eat?

Now you tell me. For the 80% of chinese population. How do you suppose to improve their living standard while don't even allow them to move around freely?

If a goverment has to sacrifice 80% of its people to please the other 20%. I don't believe it will last long.

 

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最初由 wei 发布


Wrong! A government's top priority is to maximize all citizens benifit.

Tell you what, China has BIG population problem right now. The fastest way of decreasing the population is to start a war. Would you think it's a rational solution?

"population problem-->fastest way of decreasing-->start a war==>rational solution"

rational?

"暂住证"是对人口进城进行限制和管理,使之有序化,但造成不平等;
"暂住证"是限制"城市内人口",不是减少人口.
"start a war"是减少人口,是杀戮!

两个不是一会事儿

 

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最初由 我没有.com 发布

广州就是这样的了，治安差了很多，我家的那栋楼，今年就发生了一宗命案，五宗盗窃案，全部都是抢钱。

同感~~~~~

 

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最初由 五月独秀 发布


"population problem-->fastest way of decreasing-->start a war==>rational solution"

rational?

"暂住证"是对人口进城进行限制和管理,使之有序化,但造成不平等;
"start a war"是减少人口,是杀戮!

哪个合理?

Sigh....do you understand that I DO NOT agree with this "rational" solution? Please, please, make sure you READ before attacking.

 

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最初由 我没有.com 发布
广州就是这样的了，治安差了很多，我家的那栋楼，今年就发生了一宗命案，五宗盗窃案，全部都是抢钱。

This is the price ALL big cities have to pay, not only "guang zhou". Many people move out from big cities because of this. I am not saying that too many people stay in the same city is NOT a problem. I am saying that the way of solving the prolbem is wrong.

 

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户籍制度在计划经济体制下是很自然的;
所以,问题不是户籍或"暂住证",
而是错误的实行了资产阶级市场经济和私有化.

 

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最初由 五月独秀 发布
户籍制度在计划经济体制下是很自然的;
所以,问题不是户籍或"暂住证",
而是错误的实行了资产阶级市场经济和私有化.

Thank you for your input. I think I am not the one to argue with you ,though. I am not old enough to feel the "pure socialism" society, even though I live with it for several years. Therefore, I have no right to say it's right or wrong.Maybe you can discuss this issue with some one older.

 

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资产阶级民主(美国式民主)和私有化是一条亡国之路.
党内有走资本主义道路的当权派
他们站在广大无产阶级的对立面
要根本否定社会主义制度
人民必然受二遍苦
遭二次罪.

 

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最初由 五月独秀 发布
资产阶级民主(美国式民主)和私有化是一条亡国之路.
党内有走资本主义道路的当权派
他们站在广大无产阶级的对立面
要根本否定社会主义制度
人民必然受二遍苦
遭二次罪.

Have you watched the movies "Matrix" and "The thirteenth floor"? Just ask. No special reason.

We are educated by different systems and grow up in differnt environments. It is pretty difficult for us to understand each other. However, I do respect your opinion. At least you are not like some Communist Governors, "shuo yi tao, zuo yi tao".

 

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毛泽东一直要缩小和消灭"三大差别"(其中就有城乡差别)
人口,称乡建设和规划
生产,销售,物资
都要实行计划调度

户籍制度和"暂住证"在计划经济下都没有也不是问题
问题是现在背叛了社会主义
背叛了马列毛思想
是体系混乱了
因而出现了这种不平等.

 

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It's getting late now. I am heading to bed. Hope you have fun here.