丰田要倒闭了！嘿嘿。

[Patio]

丰田从来没有对2600[FONT=宋体]多辆突然加速的车进行研究，就开始换脚垫，加铁片，有愚弄百姓之嫌。丰田有可能向“三鹿”看齐，嘿嘿。[/FONT]

[FONT=宋体][FONT=宋体]Stupak, who leads the investigative panel of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said he would ask Toyota executives about potential electronic problems and complaints of sudden unintended acceleration. [/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]In his letter to Lentz, Stupak wrote that the committee's "preliminary assessment is that Toyota resisted the possibility that electronic defects could cause safety concerns, relied on a flawed engineering report, and made misleading public statements concerning the adequacy of recent recalls to address the risk of sudden unintended acceleration." [/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]Stupak said the documents show the sole report produced by Toyota on the acceleration issue purported to test and analyze potential electronic causes. The report, by consulting firm Exponent Inc., "was initiated just two months ago and appears to have serious flaws," Stupak wrote. [/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]He said experts interviewed by the committee demonstrated that the report used an extremely small sample that would not get to the root of the problem. One of the primary authors of the Exponent report said they did not examine any vehicles or components that had the unintended accelerations. [/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]When owners complained about unwanted acceleration, Stupak said Toyota representatives "commonly responded ... by concluding that the events the consumer described could not have happened." Stupak also accused Lentz of misleading the public in television interviews in which he said Toyota studied the problem and the cause was the sticky pedals and floor mats. [/FONT]
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[councilor]

丰田倒闭了，会影响“中日应该携手共创东亚共荣, 把美国佬赶出亚洲”这一盘大棋。

http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread773325.html

 

[viper99]

文学城"润涛阎"的博客润涛阎
今天的新闻报道惊呆了!丰田这回麻烦大了!
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/201002/news-gb2312-1024133.html

这老兄知识丰富， 不谈丰田， 只看车的知识， 对大家有帮助

 

[northernwolf]

丰田倒闭了，会影响“中日应该携手共创东亚共荣, 把美国佬赶出亚洲”这一盘大棋。

http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread773325.html

别无知了，丰田倒了，中国汽车正好填补廉价经济汽车的缺口。
日本将更加依赖中国，中国更容易领导亚洲繁荣。

 

[sktime]

丰田倒闭了，会影响“中日应该携手共创东亚共荣, 把美国佬赶出亚洲”这一盘大棋。

http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread773325.html

才过了65年，就忘了当年是谁差点把中国推向灭亡的，国歌里的“中华民族到了最危险的时候”， 敌人是谁？ 美国佬还是小日本？

还中日共创东亚共荣，那当年还抗战个屁！

美国当然不会无私帮助中国人民，但至少，从来没想灭咱吧。说实话，当年如果没有美国参战，抗战可能胜利吗？

讨厌美国，竟然到了哈日的地步。 算不算数典忘祖？

 

[councilor]

才过了65年，就忘了当年是谁差点把中国推向灭亡的，国歌里的“中华民族到了最危险的时候”， 敌人是谁？ 美国佬还是小日本？

还中日共创东亚共荣，那当年还抗战个屁！

美国当然不会无私帮助中国人民，但至少，从来没想灭咱吧。说实话，当年如果没有美国参战，抗战可能胜利吗？

讨厌美国，竟然到了哈日的地步。 算不算数典忘祖？

别找我，下面是北狼说的：

即使被日本人真给糟蹋了，那也不能把全部日本人都说成是你家仇人，对不对？

你的表现简直就是一个当年日本鬼子的翻版，毫无幽默，头脑被格式化了以后，就一条路跑到黑。
你不是想把日本给灭了吗，去先把日本大使馆给灭了，不要拉出来的又吃回去，

中国人中有你这种人，真是我们民族的悲哀。
你如果真有种，明天就去日本大使馆扔一个炸弹去，
不要像一个杂种狗一样，只会骂骂咧咧，只说不做。

开始软蛋了，你不是要灭日本人吗？现在只是骂骂咧咧过过嘴瘾了？什么玩意儿？

你可以再把调子调得高一些。但这并不能给予你辱骂一个民族的权利。

就你这种德行，如果给你机会，你会犯下比日本军国主义更丧心病狂的勾当来。

你的萎缩和下流原来和你的无知是有关系的。
日本没有反战的？二战以后日本人维护和平的人远比你这样的崇尚武力的人多得多。你以为日本没有本事造几颗原子弹什么的？

说你脑袋被格式化可是一点也不假。你的思维还停留在你奶奶做慰安妇自愿者那个年代。
那些参拜军国主义的日本人和你是一个德行（遗传）。都想用武力消灭对方。

你等连汪精卫那点“引刀为一快，不负少年头”的勇气都没有，你连汪精卫都比不了，还罔谈什么消灭日本。别意淫了。

你的心里变态，不亚于当年的日本鬼子。不要以为你越骂日本人就越中国人。中国人没你这么变态的。

当敌人放下屠刀，愿意立地成佛时，我们中华民族的传统是宽容与共赢。
但也不排除个别脑袋格式化的汉奸贼喊捉贼。

 

[councilor]

别无知了，丰田倒了，中国汽车正好填补廉价经济汽车的缺口。
日本将更加依赖中国，中国更容易领导亚洲繁荣。

中国汽车? 你是说发动机都是进口的中国汽车?

 

[Cobalt]

中国汽车? 你是说发动机都是进口的中国汽车?

你是白痴吧，上海通用10年前就有动力总成车间了，现在美国通用几款车都用中国产的发动机。
别把无知当个性，整天就会瞎扯淡。

 

[councilor]

你是白痴吧，上海通用10年前就有动力总成车间了，现在美国通用几款车都用中国产的发动机。
别把无知当个性，整天就会瞎扯淡。

10年前? 太扯淡了吧？

以为和老外合资生产发动机，老外出技术，老中出人，就算是中国自主生成发动机了？

http://news.pf168.com/2D33/200703170915004837.shtml

http://auto.sohu.com/20070629/n250825437.shtml

http://news.chinacars.com/citynews/hebei/563753.shtml

 

[胡京苏]

行内人士告诉你们, 中国在签约合资生产汽车时,为取得外国技术,通常总是要求引进发动机生产线,摄于中方压力,外资往往会满足中方要求,但外方的条件是中方生产的发动机的汽车只能在中国国内销售,这其中的原因或者说奥秘,你我均可知明.

 

[ZhiZuChangLe]

Recall may not solve problem, Toyota executive tells Congress

By WILLIAM DOUGLAS

McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON -- Toyota's top U.S. executive insisted to lawmakers on Tuesday that electronic problems weren't the cause of sudden acceleration problems in some of its cars, but added that the company's recall of millions of vehicles may not "totally solve" the problem.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood testified, however, that the possibility of an electronic problem couldn't be ruled out.
At a hearing mixed with harrowing personal testimony and precise technical explanations, James Lentz, the president of Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A., admitted to a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee that the Japanese automaker hasn't "lived up to the high standards that our customers and the public have come to expect from Toyota."

"We acknowledge these mistakes, we apologize and we have learned from them," Lentz said. "We now understand that we must think differently when investigating complaints and communicate faster, better and more effectively with our customers and our regulators."

Toyota President Akio Toyoda will offer his own apology and accept full responsibility for the growing questions about the quality of his company's cars when he testifies Wednesday before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

"We pursued growth over the speed at which we were able to develop our people and our organization, and we should sincerely be mindful of that," Toyoda said in testimony released in advance. "I regret that this has resulted in the safety issues described in the recalls we face today, and I am deeply sorry for any accidents that Toyota drivers have experienced."

Still, Lentz maintained that a pedal problem, not an electronic one, is at the center of sudden acceleration problems that have forced the company to recall 8 million cars worldwide.

"We are confident that no problem exists with the electronic throttle control system in our vehicles," Lentz testified. "We have designed our electronic throttle system with multiple fail-safe mechanisms to shut off or reduce engine power in the event of a system failure.

"We are vigilant and we continue to look for potential causes."
Asked whether Toyota's recalls would fix the acceleration problem, Lentz testified: "Not totally."

LaHood also wasn't so confident that the problem has been fixed.
"We will continue to investigate all possible causes of unintended acceleration," LaHood said in prepared testimony, adding "we don't maintain that they answer every question" about the sudden acceleration problem.

The testimony didn't satisfy some lawmakers.

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said that Toyota "failed its customers" by not swiftly reacting to the number of acceleration complaints and that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration - which is under LaHood's purview - "neglected its responsibilities" by not aggressively investigating consumer complaints about Toyota cars.

The subcommittee got a sense of what it's like to drive a car suddenly out of control from Rhonda Smith. Her Toyota-made Lexus suddenly raced to 100 mph in October 2006.

"I had the emergency brake on while frantically shifting between all the gears - besides park - but mainly I had it in reverse and with the emergency brake on," said Smith, of Sevierville, Tenn., in written testimony. "I finally figured the car was going to go to its maximum speed and was praying to God to help me."

Smith said she concluded that after speeding for three miles, it must be her time to die, and she called her husband.

"I knew he couldn't help me in this particular situation, but I just needed to hear his voice," she said. "At almost six miles, God intervened."

The car slowed down on its own and she regained control.
Smith said she and her husband were treated shabbily by Toyota and NHTSA when they reported the problem. The couple wound up paying for repairs out of their own pockets. Lentz said he was embarrassed by the way the couple was treated.

"Shame on you, Toyota, for being greedy," Smith said after her tearful testimony. "Shame on you, NHTSA, for not doing your job."

Waxman and Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., the chairman of the subcommittee on oversight and investigations, dismissed a study Toyota had commissioned from Exponent, a research company, that ruled out electronics failure as the cause of unintended acceleration.
Both lawmakers pointed out that only six vehicles were involved in the Exponent study - and none of them showed electronic problems - but they said that was too small a sample to draw a strong conclusion.
"Toyota had three responses: First, blame the driver. Second, blame the floor mat. Third, blame a sticky gas pedal," Waxman said. "And NHTSA - without doing any meaningful independent review - accepted Toyota's explanation."

The subcommittee also heard from two analysts who suggested that electronic failure shouldn't be ruled out as the source of Toyota's problems. Sean Kane, the president of Safety Research & Strategies, Inc., said that instead of concentrating on the source of the problem, Toyota stonewalled consumers.

"For years, the company has ignored or blamed its consumers," Kane said. "Instead of listening carefully to the safety issues consumers have presented them, Toyota has turned them away, assuring them that nothing is wrong."

Rep. Steve Buyer, R-Ind., blasted the research conducted by Kane's firm and by David Gilbert, an associate professor of automotive technology at Southern Illinois University.

Buyer - who has a plant in his district that produces the Camry, one of the models involved in the recall - noted that Kane's research into Toyota's sudden acceleration complaints were funded by five law firms that have cases against the company.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/23/1496265/recall-may-not-solve-problem-toyota.html

 

[Cobalt]

10年前? 太扯淡了吧？

以为和老外合资生产发动机，老外出技术，老中出人，就算是中国自主生成发动机了？

http://news.pf168.com/2D33/200703170915004837.shtml

http://auto.sohu.com/20070629/n250825437.shtml

http://news.chinacars.com/citynews/hebei/563753.shtml

我一直觉得网特应该是汉奸里收入比较高的，因为这类人怎么也要比天天坐使馆门口大桥底下练轮子的有点智商优势吧？不过看到你发的帖子我只能感叹你们主子招人也不怎么严谨啊，还是有你这样滥竽充数的！
你发的这3个链接有一个是跟上海通用有关的吗？
上海通用1997年建厂，同时即拥有了车身车间，油漆车间，动力总成车间，总拼车间的整车建造全套整车制造车间。http://www.shanghaigm.com/www/mainsite/actionMAINSITEPGDegreeTwoContent/lv1id4/lv2id14.html
不否认初期由于国内锻铸造工艺的滞后和数控机床加工的精密度缺陷动力总成车间一直都只能称为一直组装车间，完全依赖进口发动机，但2000年以后随着工艺优化，生产加工设备更新，上海通用基本实现发动机完全国产化，并且出口东南亚。2002.12 年产销突破十万辆并签订发动机出口加拿大的合同
http://autos.cn.yahoo.com/07-09-/321/27txe.html
要说自主开发生产的发动机其实早就有了，上海泛亚，可能你都没听说过吧，1997年由上汽集团，上海通用，和通用公司合资成立的，作为一家完全独立于其母公司的企业实体，泛亚不仅为通用汽车和上海汽车工业(集团)总公司服务，也为中国和亚太地区的其他汽车企业提供一流的汽车工程服务。与其他独立运作的企业一样，泛亚汽车技术中心对客户授权的所有业务均严格保密。2003年1月，泛亚即完成开发了别克2.0L手动变速箱四缸发动机。
http://baike.baidu.com/view/789570.htm
国内其他汽车企业我不清楚，但上海通用本人还是很熟悉的，目前上海通用汽车拥有金桥和上海通用东岳汽车(烟台)、上海通用东岳动力总成(烟台)、上海通用北盛汽车(沈阳)3大生产基地。2000-02大学期间就在通用和泛亚实习工作了2年多直至出国，去年过年回国也通过至今还在通用和泛亚同学和同事聚会了解过，外籍工程师比例从当初55%到现在的5%不到，核心技术基本都是中国人，老外干的都是技术规范设定一类，都是比较需要了解国际汽车规范的活。同学也跟我说了为什么现在上海通用自己不在集团内开发发动机都外包给泛亚，因为控股问题，当时上汽和通用还是50-50的股权分配，但泛亚是上汽和上海通用占绝对股权的，所以以后核心技术还是要掌握在中国人自己手里的。当然啦，拜金融危机和通用本身经营不善所赐，上汽集团现在占有上海通用51%的股权了。
还有一点你不知道吧，在北美销售的2010款Chev EQUINOX等几款车型都是用的中国上海通用生产的发动机，为什么北美通用要用中国产的发动机，企业现在是重立形象的时候不怕砸招牌吗？？？因为他们自己知道中国开发生产的发动机比北美设计生产的更优秀，看看现在广告打得，直喷汽油机油耗比CRV和RAV4都低，为什么？因为那是made in china！
http://baike.baidu.com/view/1712979.htm
狗日的汉奸councilor，闭上你的狗嘴睁开你的狗眼看看吧！

 

[jeep12]

狗日的汉奸councilor，闭上你的狗嘴睁开你的狗眼看看吧！

 

[Cobalt]

我也觉得这样看上去顺眼点，别到时候那狗玩意儿还不知道指它呢

 

[cmah]

文学城"润涛阎"的博客润涛阎
今天的新闻报道惊呆了!丰田这回麻烦大了!
http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/201002/news-gb2312-1024133.html

这老兄知识丰富， 不谈丰田， 只看车的知识， 对大家有帮助

这篇应该上主版讨论一下。
我个人认为：
1。 丰田一开始的处理方式极为恶劣，需要美国人教训教训。
2。 本人也一直也担心怀疑是软件问题。
3。 本人不明白用脚垫，油门板来掩盖软件问题有何意义？似乎是更浪费金钱。
4。 丰田倒闭？ 开玩笑。 爽一爽就算了。
5。 国产车要想在国际市场上杀出一条血路，得靠自身实力（象韩国车一样）。 幻想着对手纷纷自杀而得益？ 做梦。