佛教的特质及陷阱(ZT)

:cool::cool:
Same here, I have to confess that I am a sinner too, so I need my Lord Jesus Christ to save me.

我们知道自己有罪,却是真正蒙恩的。这一点,没有信心的人真的是难以明白的 - 越是聪明的人越是糊涂。神的恩典,是如此的奇妙!

约 5:24 我实实在在地告诉你们,那听我话,又信差我来者的,就有永生,不至于定罪,是已经出死入生了。


约翰福音3:16-3:18
3:16 神爱世人,甚至将他的独生子赐给他们,叫一切信他的,不至灭亡,反得永生。3:17 因为神差他的儿子降世,不是要定世人的罪,(或作审判世人下同)乃是要叫世人因他得救。3:18 信他的人,不被定罪。不信的人,罪已经定了,因为他不信神独生子的名。
 
我要弄一篇“基督的陷阱”不知道那些人作何感想,当然我不会那么做
 
我要弄一篇“基督的陷阱”不知道那些人作何感想

很欢迎啊。您为什麽不?真理是不会畏惧挑战的。
 
我没那么tough,作为版主,我要考虑其他基督徒的感受,谢谢
 
我没那么tough,作为版主,我要考虑其他基督徒的感受,谢谢


Hoho, you are such a nice person:).

Well, I say what I think is right and, at the same time, encourage everyone else to say what he/she thinks is right. It is wrong just to think one has the right to take away others' freedom of expression just because he/she doesn't like it.:)
 
有完没完,还在绕圈子,你继续玩自己的文字游戏,不奉陪了
 
本文作者对佛教一知半解,如果他说的是有道理的可以值得探讨, 但是他用自己的自以为的思想当成是别人的。文中的多个错误观点不浪费时间一一解释了。恐怕他不明白,如人饮水,冷暖自知是什么意思.

佛教商业化(特别是中国)。 这叫贩卖如来。佛早就说过,末法时代,贩卖如来者,如沙如海。就如同这世界的一切,有成即有坏。最后信佛的人越来越少,世界也越来越败坏。坏到极点又开始越来越好。 这是一种规律。当然,这是佛的预见。不是我认为或者我觉得。

信佛的人少, 是因为成佛的路难。 做信基督徒多容易, 洗洗澡, 唱唱歌,到教堂去吃吃饭, 就成了。“事就成了”, 哈哈, 这可是圣经上的话。
 
信佛的人少, 是因为成佛的路难。 做信基督徒多容易, 洗洗澡, 唱唱歌,到教堂去吃吃饭, 就成了。“事就成了”, 哈哈, 这可是圣经上的话。
阁下肯定不是佛教徒,信佛的目的不是成佛成仙,那是道教的东西
 
信佛的人少, 是因为成佛的路难。 做信基督徒多容易, 洗洗澡, 唱唱歌,到教堂去吃吃饭, 就成了。“事就成了”, 哈哈, 这可是圣经上的话。

阁下也不是基督徒,因为您不知道事是怎么完成的。看在您是老ID的份上,我就告诉您: 这救恩是 神的独生子 主耶稣在十字架上完成的,是给所有信他的人。 不是吃饭,也不是唱歌,更不是洗澡。
 
阁下肯定不是佛教徒,信佛的目的不是成佛成仙,那是道教的东西

道教为了成仙,得长生不老。
佛教自度度他。那过程也就是成佛之路。




【名】
梵文Buddha音译“佛陀”的简称〖梵文Buddha〗。意译为“觉者”、“知者”、“觉”。觉有三义:自觉、觉他(使众生觉悟)、觉行圆满,是佛教修行的最高果位。据称,凡夫缺此三项,声闻、缘觉缺后二项,菩萨缺最后一项,只有佛才三项俱全。小乘讲的 “佛”,一般是用作对释迦牟尼的尊称。大乘除指释迦牟尼外,还泛指一切觉行圆满者。宣称三世十方,到处有佛.
 
怎么到处都有一些莫名其妙的基督徒去诋毁别人啊!也太滥了一些!你的主就是这样叫你爱别人的吗?
 
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低碳游客 在2011-1-31 13:33:57写道:原帖 发表一下游客对你文章的感受:知道你是一个基督徒在评论佛教,如果这些都是你自己的认识,说明你很善于思考,对于非信仰的宗教都有自己的见解。由此推理,你应该对信仰的基督教应该有更深入的理解。可是你的观点:“基督教首先强调的是真和假的问题“,却很让人起疑你对基督教认识。圣经讲的一个基本原则就是“信”,信主者得救赎,拒信者入地狱。上帝和圣经就是真,与其违背的就是假。何处提到需要信徒去探寻世俗意义上的真假!如果你这篇文章是写给非基督徒看的,那么和他们讨论真假,那也就是鸡同鸭讲一样了。

不好意思,那篇文章是转帖的。

不错,基督教是强调信,因为那是接受我们无法靠我们有限的理性去认识的无限的神的唯一途径。当然, 我也同意原作者“基督教首先强调的是真和假的问题”这句话。

主耶稣说“我就是(那)道路、(那)真理、(那)生命”。真理的英文是“the truth”,就是“真实”的意思 - 我是(那)道路、(那)真实、(那)生命”。

信是我们主观的东西,神是真实是一个客观事实。我们的信是建立在真实的神上面的。不然,基督教和形形色色的偶像崇拜人为宗教有什麽区别?

基督徒也的确很较真。这是因为神就是真理。信了神就得到了真理。因而可以较真了。

其实不光是佛教。事实上世界上形形色色的宗教派别哲学流派多如牛毛,除了基督教之外没有敢较真的。都是个马马虎虎能够糊弄我们自己有限的理性(或者说面子上得过且过)就好了,因为一较真就不能自圆其说,就穿帮了。这也是为什麽需要较真的科学只能在基督教文化环境里才能发展起来的缘故。


http://shbbs.soufun.com/1210019701~-1~2232/91069379_91069379_20.htm
 
[FONT=黑体]信与真[/FONT]


基督教强调信,因为那是接受我们无法靠我们有限的理性去认识的无限的神的唯一途径。创造宇宙万物的三一真神则是我们信仰的根据。

主耶稣说“我就是(那)道路、(那)真理、(那)生命”。英文是“I am the way, the truth, and the life”. "The truth" 就是“(那)真实”的意思 - 主耶稣就是(那)道路、(那)真实、(那)生命”。

信是我们主观的东西,神是真实是一个客观事实。信是我们接受神的一个主动的动作, 神必须是真实的我们的信才有意义 -我们的信是建立在真实上的。不然,基督教和形形色色的偶像崇拜人为宗教有什麽区别?

基督徒也的确很较真。这是因为神就是真理。信了神就得到了真理。因而可以较真了。

有趣的观察是,世界上形形色色的宗教派别哲学流派多如牛毛,除了基督教之外没有敢较真的,都是个马马虎虎能够糊弄自己有限的理性(或者说面子上得过且过)就好了。因为一较真就不能自圆其说,就穿帮了。这也是为什麽需要较真的科学只能在基督教文化环境里才能发展起来的原因。
 
不好意思,那篇文章是转帖的。

不错,基督教是强调信,因为那是接受我们无法靠我们有限的理性去认识的无限的神的唯一途径。当然, 我也同意原作者“基督教首先强调的是真和假的问题”这句话。

主耶稣说“我就是(那)道路、(那)真理、(那)生命”。真理的英文是“the truth”,就是“真实”的意思 - 我是(那)道路、(那)真实、(那)生命”。

信是我们主观的东西,神是真实是一个客观事实。我们的信是建立在真实的神上面的。不然,基督教和形形色色的偶像崇拜人为宗教有什麽区别?

基督徒也的确很较真。这是因为神就是真理。信了神就得到了真理。因而可以较真了。

其实不光是佛教。事实上世界上形形色色的宗教派别哲学流派多如牛毛,除了基督教之外没有敢较真的。都是个马马虎虎能够糊弄我们自己有限的理性(或者说面子上得过且过)就好了,因为一较真就不能自圆其说,就穿帮了。这也是为什麽需要较真的科学只能在基督教文化环境里才能发展起来的缘故。

Christian Fundamentalist theology and beliefs



Most of you reading this are probably already familiar with the precepts of this faith and belief system that I am critiquing. For those of you who are not so familiar, here are the basic precepts of it. Don't worry, it is an easy to understand religion because it was designed to appeal to the masses and lowest common denominator. After all, what sells well has to be easily understood as well. First, here is their version of life, history, and the world. Keep in mind though, that this does not represent the official or secular view of history, only the Evangelical Christians version.



The Christian view of world history



In the beginning God created the Earth and the Universe. After creating the stars and planets, he created the first two humans - Adam and Eve, along with the animals and all other life here. Since God didn't want these humans to be robots, he gave them free will so that they could choose to obey him. In accordance, as a test of their obedience he put the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden. They were allowed to eat from all other trees but were strictly told never to eat from that particular tree. However, Satan (a fallen archangel) disguised himself as a Serpent and deceived Eve into eating from that tree, who in turned persuaded Adam to do so as well. As a result, their eyes were opened and they knew both good and evil from then on. And as a consequence, sin entered the world and became an integral part of human nature. When God confronted them about it, he declared that their paradise was over, and that they were now destined to live with pain and death. Mankind had fallen both spiritually and physically with the loss of immortality. This Fall of Man brought death, disease, and pain into the world which originally was devoid of them. To make things even worse, this "Fall of Man" also brought spiritual death, which meant separation from God in the afterlife as well. (Such drastic consequences for eating a piece of fruit off the wrong tree, wouldn't you say?)



The system of salvation set in place at that time were rituals of animal sacrifice and sacraments designed to "wash away sin." Some period of historical time after Adam and Eve, and the generations of their descendants (the length of which has been debated by scholars), the world became populated by people who were wicked and sinful with no love of God. As a result, God decided to destroy the population of the world with a global flood, leaving the only righteous God-fearing man Noah and his family alive. So he commanded them to build a great Ark to house his family and two of every type of species on Earth.



After this Great Flood wiped out the population of Earth, Noah and his family settled down and again the human lineage continued. Some generations later though, again the world became populated by wicked and rebellious people against God. This time, God chose a righteous man named Abraham to be the father of a nation of descendants who would be called the “Israelites”, his chosen people. This nation of Israel are also known as the Jewish tribes.



The rest of the Old Testament Bible deals with the history of Israel and its relation to God. It tells of the Israelites’ constant cycle of falling away and redemption by God, trials and tribulations, wars and battles, freedom and slavery, prophets sent to them by God, etc. Throughout this time, God promises to send a Messiah or Savior someday to rescue Israel and re-establish her kingdom to glory and power, bringing peace on Earth as well (though the verses Christians consider to refer to this prophecy are very debatable and ambiguous).



When the period of the New Testament began, about 400 years after the last book of the Old Testament, Israel was under the jurisdiction of the Roman Empire. It was at that time that God decided to come down from heaven to be a man like us, to become the final sacrifice for man’s sins. It was then that Israel’s Messiah and Savior Jesus Christ was born to a virgin named Mary. In fact, the whole New Testament Bible centers around him and his salvation of the world. Jesus was God Almighty in flesh, sent to bring Salvation and Redemption to the world, and reunification with holy God.



When he was 30, Jesus began a ministry of about 3 years, during which he preached love, forgiveness, and God’s commandments. However, his teachings angered the Jewish leaders at the time, the Scribes and Pharisees, which represented the establishment, because his ideas and influence was a threat on their authority. Somehow, the role of the Messiah completely changed in the New Testament. The Jews were looking for a Messiah who could rule and bring political power to Israel. However, Jesus was trying to establish a spiritual kingdom, and so his message made no sense to their expectations.



At the end of his ministry, he was betrayed by one of his disciples and handed over to the Jewish leaders who had him arrested. The Romans tried him, the Jews convicted him, and he was crucified on the cross. After Jesus’ death, he arose three days later on a Sunday and appeared to his followers. This miraculous event is known as “The Resurrection”. He told them to go out to witness and preach the good news of the Gospel to the world, which is that by believing in Jesus, all can have Salvation, eternal life, and reunification with God. And he also promised to return one day to take all the believers to heaven, cast judgment on the secular world and destroying it and all non-believers with it. Then Jesus ascended into heaven.



His followers went out and lived their faith, preaching it to others as well. At first, they were heavily persecuted. Many died for their convictions. Eventually, Christianity spread like wildfire in Rome and beyond. At first, they were persecuted by the Romans. Then the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and ended the persecution of Christians (though some debate whether he was a true Christian or not).



Within the First Century, the New Testament began to be written by a series of authors (the identity of whom is unclear and the source of much debate) which were supposedly inspired by God’s Holy Spirit to write down the “Word of God”. Their writings included the four Gospels, teachings of Paul, other letters and books by various authors, and the Revelation of St. John. These writings are now seen by Evangelical Christians and fundamentalists as representing the exact will and testament of God to mankind, and therefore infallible and inerrant. After several hundred years, during the 4th Century, the Church put together a Council to vote on which books of the Bible would be officially canonized and which would be tossed out. That began the process of forming the Bible we have today. For believers, the Bible was the ultimate authority, and represented God’s will and testament to mankind. The Catholic Church at first would not let its followers read the Bible, thereby making the Church itself as the infallible authority. However, when the Protestant Churches began, its followers began to be allowed to read the Bible for themselves. Eventually, the Bible was translated into English by 1611 by scribes under the direction of King James of England, and thus it became the King James Bible.



Ever since the first Christians, the way of life for them has been to 1) Accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, believing that he died on the cross for their sins, asking forgiveness and inviting him into their heart, 2) Surrender their lives to Jesus and following his teachings, 3) Witness and evangelize non-Christians about their faith and the Gospel of Jesus, urging them to repent and become saved too. 4) Await Jesus’ second coming when the world ends, so they can be taken up into heaven to live in paradise forever. By then, the world will be destroyed and all non-believers will be judged as sinners and thrown into hell forever. Hence the urgency for believers to evangelize non-Christians.



Christians from the 1st Century until now have awaited a future 2nd coming of Jesus, with each generation of Christians thinking that this would take place in their own lifetime, since the Gospels said that Jesus implied repeatedly that he was coming soon and probably in their own lifetimes. They believe that once this 2nd coming happens, the world will be destroyed, and the true Christian believers will be taken into heaven to live with God in eternal paradise, while all unbelievers will be thrown into hell with Satan and his demons to be tormented forever.



Now keep in mind that all this is not just some story or abstract concept to Christians. This is LITERAL HISTORICAL FACT!



You can read a mini-nutshell version of their view of history at this online picturesque tract:



http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0005/0005_01.asp



Christian Fundamentalist doctrines and precepts



Therefore, as a result of this version of history, basic Fundamentalist Christian theology can be broken down like this. You can find a similar outline to this in most Gospel tracts and preaching material:



1. God is holy, righteous and perfect.
2. Mankind is sinful by nature.
3. God, being perfect and holy, cannot associate with sinful Man. Therefore, sin separates God and Man.
4. Jesus Christ, the son of God, died on the cross for the sins of mankind.
5. By believing in him and accepting him as Lord and Savior, one can have their sins washed away and made right with God. Otherwise, if one dies without accepting Christ, then he/she will spend an eternity in hell in everlasting neverending torment (though some of them try to sugarcoat it, that’s what they believe literally, this includes Billy Graham too).
6. Accepting Jesus is the only way to God.
7. All the above is true because the holy scriptures of the Bible say so.
8. Anything that contradicts or doesn’t fit in with the above is false and/or of Satan.



It’s as simple as that. These precepts of Fundamentalist Christianity are not only very extreme, but completely circular in nature, and contain numerous flaws as well, which we will get into later.



One big problem with Evangelical Christianity in general is that it makes VERY EXTREME CLAIMS, especially the one about all non-Christians who don’t believe in its gospel will spend an eternity in hell in everlasting torment.. To go around proclaiming such a thing to others, threatening them with a literal eternal neverending state of torment is perhaps the most extreme claim in the world. Of course, such a claim is going to result in severe counterattacks, backlash and controversy from those who disagree! What do these Evangelists expect? The problem is that they expect rational intelligent sane people to believe such extreme claims just because they point to some verses in the Bible that say so, which is absurd to anyone except them! What they fail to understand and realize is that JUST BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SOMETHING DOESN’T MEAN IT’S TRUE! That is the BOTTOM LINE. Showing people Bible verses to support their assumptions is not proof or evidence. Text and words printed in a book do not constitute proof. Now and throughout history, millions of books have been written, but that doesn’t mean that everything in them is true! They know that, but the problem is they don’t apply it to their own beliefs too.



Though they fervently believe that all non-Christians are going to hell, they simply CAN’T PROVE OR DEMONSTRATE IT. They present zero evidence that there is a Judgment Day that everyone who ever lived will stand before, where those who accepted Christ will enter into heaven while those who didn’t will be thrown in hell. All they present are words and text in a book. Yet they expect people to believe it, take it seriously, and change their lives for it! In effect, this extreme claim is in the “out there” realm which can neither be proven nor disproven. Pointing to text in a book is no kind of evidence, though they think otherwise. The problem is, they expect rational sane people to simply believe it, because “the Bible says so”. That is totally unrealistic. If you expect people to change their lives for this claim just in case it might be true, because what about all the other extreme claims out there? Should everyone change their lives for them too, just in case they “might” be true?
 
Understanding the mentality and world view of the Christian Fundamentalist



Now, those of you who have never been devout Christians before may wonder why they believe what they do, live the way they do, think the way they do, have such extreme views, and are so fanatical in pushing their beliefs onto other people all the time to try to convert them. It may all seem so nonsensical and illogical to you. Well since I used to be one of them and understand how they think, I can explain their mentality to you and give insight on their inner psychological makeup. Although the above section on their view of history should have given you a good idea, let me break it down for you in detail. First though, let me tell you that when one accepts the Christian faith and Gospel into his/her lifestyle, their view of reality becomes completely WARPED! Literally. They only see the world in terms of God and Satan, light and darkness, sin and righteousness, the saved and the unsaved, etc. I still can’t believe how warped my view of reality was when I was a Christian fundamentalist.



Two powerful forces controlling their mind



Basically, the Evangelical Christian has two powerful things controlling his/her mind and emotions – the fear of eternal punishment in hell and the reward of eternal paradise in heaven. Those are essentially the two most powerful things that can control someone’s mind, period. They are the ultimate brainwashing tools ever designed. No question about it. Now keep in mind that heaven and hell are not some abstract concept or theory to them. No, they are absolute LITERAL FACTUAL truths! No less true than the fact that falling off a cliff is harmful or the fact that your body needs food and water to live. Therefore, they take them VERY seriously indeed. It’s no joke to them at all, especially when the eternal destiny of the soul is at stake. And that’s why they are so adamant that you become saved too, because in their minds, it is like watching you driving toward the edge of a cliff, and since they care about you, they want to warn you of the reality of the situation. That’s what it boils down to. It’s not about disrespect for your rights, freedom, or choices. It’s really about their 1) genuine concern for the eternal judgment of your soul, and their 2) sense of duty to God, after being given eternal life and being saved, to do his will to preach God’s message of Salvation to you, which is the least they could do for being given immortality.



Now think of the implications of this. Remember that this is all literal factual truth to them. Here’s what that means to someone who genuinely believes these things. It means that these are ETERNAL consequences in their minds. What that means technically is that an eternal heaven means a bliss and paradise for them that is never-ending without end, where billions of years or trillions of years have no measurement at all. After all, that’s what infinity means. On the other hand, an eternal hell also means a state of suffering and pain forever and ever. This means that even if one was suffering, tormented, and in extreme pain in hell for a billion years or a trillion years, it would still not stop because eternity means that time does not exist. It would go on and on and on. It NEVER ends, EVER! Think of that for a moment, not as some abstract theory that’s “out there” but as a literal fact that could ACTUALLY happen to you! If you seriously see that as a realistic possibility, you can understand why it is a VERY VERY VERY SCARY concept indeed! Much more infinitely terrible than you can possibly imagine. Heck, not even Adolf Hitler would deserve such a predicament, and especially not average people, and all just because the original humans ate a fruit off the wrong tree at the beginning of creation? Come on now…….



Now perhaps you can understand and sympathize with the Evangelicals’ inclination to try to convert you and “save” you. After all, if you believed your loved ones, friends, or acquaintances were heading toward eternal torment, you would also be greatly concerned about their souls as well, wouldn’t you? I remember how agonized I was about my unsaved parents who wouldn’t believe. I had many sleepless nights squirming over their future predicament (in my mind of course), of being eternally tormented in hell with no end and no way out, and regretting that they didn’t listen to my warning. I loved them and didn’t want that to happen to them, but I was powerless to do anything about it because they wouldn’t accept Jesus as Savior. I didn’t think it was fair of course, but that’s what God’s word said. It was very nerve-wracking.



Hopefully, this should help you understand why they take their beliefs so seriously, so that you won’t be too hard on them for it. Here’s some verses that illustrate this:



Matthew 13:41-42 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."



Matthew 25:46 "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."



Matthew 25:41 "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."



2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 "Them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power."



Revelation 14:11, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."



Revelation 20:15 warns "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."



You see how scary this can get if you take it literally? To see an example of how seriously a Christian can take this:



Hell is real

http://www.jesusisthelight.net/HELLISREAL.htm



Here is an example of a popular Christian Gospel tract that attempts to use the fear of hell and eternal punishment to convert non-believers. The tract is in easy to read comic book form:



http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp



Fortunately though, there are some Christians progressing beyond the traditional interpretation of hell as an eternal place of torment. For example:



A Challenge to the Doctrine of Eternal Torment

http://www.harvestherald.com/challenge.htm



Hell is Leaving the Bible “Forever”

http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/HellStudy/HellChart.html



Besides fear of this literal eternal damnation, there is also a fear of losing eternal life in heaven as well. Before, the common Christian doctrine was that once you’re saved, you’re always saved and nothing you can do will cause you to lose your salvation. Now though, many churches have changed that doctrine or are reconsidering changing it, probably because of the large number of deconverts from the faith who give it a bad reputation by doing whatever they want and claiming to have eternal life with nothing to lose. Regardless of church doctrine, it is natural for a born-again Christian to have a natural fear that challenging his faith might result in the loss of his/her eternal life, or at least the discovery that it was never real in the first place. Now think of what that means too. To lose one’s immortality would be like losing a million dollars (though in technical terms, immortality would actually be worth a lot more than a million dollars of course, but you get the idea). So naturally, one would cling very tight to it. And one would be scared to death of risking either losing immortality or being subject to eternal damnation. Hence, it is UNTHINKABLE for them to question or challenge this theology or religion. And even if they do have doubts deep down inside, they would not dare declare them, but instead try to suppress them. (And after all, who are they to challenge what God Almighty, the creator of the universe, says anyway?)



Finally, as mentioned above, for receiving the free gift of eternal life from God for accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they naturally feel a sense of obligation to do God’s will and witness to you to try to convert you and save your soul. After all, for being given immortality, that’s so little for God to ask of them in return isn’t it? And besides, if they feel thankful to God for being guaranteed a spot in heaven, they will do this with joyful glee.



Reason becoming a servant to belief



As a result of those two powerful forces mentioned above controlling the Evangelical Christian’s mind, his/her sense of reason no longer rules, but instead serves these religious beliefs. In other words, reason serves faith, instead of the other way around. Here is an example, straight from the mouth of a fundamentalist:



“I believe that the Bible is completely, entirely and verbally the word of God. I refuse to stand above and criticize it; I insist rather, on standing below it and letting it criticize me.[3]”



(John Montgomery, then Professor of Melodyland School Of Theology, Anaheim, California)

3 Montgomery, Damned Through the Church: p26



To use a hierarchical illustration, their Christian beliefs which they see as absolute truth are at the top chain of command, and reason along with everything else falls below that. In this setup, reason does not analyze their faith, but instead serves it. That’s why they can believe these extreme beliefs contrary to reason without realizing it. And that’s why using reason to appeal to them doesn’t help. And it’s also why if they read an article like this, it would not do any good, because they would use just rationalize everything said in this article away any way they can, which is human nature anyway. After all, we all tend to rationalize away what we don’t want to believe and find excuses to justify believing what we want to believe. In that sense, human nature can be inherently selective.



For example, no matter how much sense you made to them that their extreme beliefs just don’t hold up, or bring up any of the arguments of this article to them, they will just quote verses such as these.



1 Corinthians 3:19 “The wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s eyes.”



1 Corinthians 1:18 “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”



Thus invalidating anything you say that contradicts their faith no matter how reasonable, with the simple quote of a verse.



Ego gratification and self-esteem fulfillment



Another factor at work here, which Christians tend not to like to admit for obvious reasons, is that all this notion of them being special to God, the chosen people of God, the children of God, the saved ones, the light of the world, etc. is very gratifying to their egos, sense of self-esteem and self-worth. After all, in a materialistic and competitive society like ours, our egos and self-esteem can be quite fragile, and anything that can solidify this is greatly welcomed.



For people who are insecure, wandering in life, lack self-esteem or self-worth, lack identity, feel no purpose or meaning in life, live in fear or oppression, etc. etc. this Christian faith can be very appealing to them, offering to give them what they need to feel whole and purposeful. It gives them the crutch they need to get through life. It validates them, makes them feel special, and gives them a definable sense of purpose. And that’s another powerful factor that keeps their belief system in place.



Children especially are vulnerable to this, because they are taught from birth to listen to adults because they know best. Therefore, when they are told by their parents or chapel ministers that if they just ask Jesus into their hearts, they will receive the free gift of eternal life just for the asking, who can say no to that? It opens the door for the powerful influences described above to take control of their mind and will.



The benefits of extreme belief systems



Now, this is not all bad. There are pros and cons to extreme belief systems such as this. As mentioned above, the Christian faith does give people a sense of purpose, identity, and meaning. It is true that many people have been helped by Christianity and made happier as well. So there are benefits of this faith, even if the doctrines it’s based on are in error. What it does is take the chaos and uncertainty out of life and the world for people, giving them a solid sense of purpose, a definite future in heaven, and a guaranteed outcome in the end.



Some people have a need for that. That’s understandable. In general, I think that extreme beliefs appeal to insecure people the most, because it helps make up for an extreme need, and compensates for what they lack. It gives them a sense of purpose, drive, motivation, and even fulfillment that can be an emotional security blanket. However, the flip side of this of course, is that extreme beliefs also close and narrow the mind, causing it to cast judgment on other people as well. In addition, it uses fear to keep you from learning about the values and benefits of other belief systems and views. For instance, Christian ministers use fear to warn that following non-Christian religions and ways of thinking could lead you to Satan’s trap, thus no progress in learning is made. And spiritual / intellectual growth is stinted. So as you can see, there are pros and cons to extreme belief systems that portray the world in black and white.



Anyone knows that the worst examples of this these are the Nazis and other fascists throughout history. And uncannily enough, there are many parallels between Christian fundamentalism and fascism.



The world as a battleground for souls



The Evangelical Christian and Christian fundamentalist sees the world in a very different way than the secular person. Here is how they see the world. They see it as basically a gigantic chess board between God and Satan. It is a battleground for souls where spiritual warfare is taking place. God is trying to save as many souls as possible through the message of Jesus Christ, and Christians are his soldiers for doing so. And Satan is trying to take as many souls with him to hell as possible, by deceiving both believers and non-believers with doubt, greed, materialistic values, anti-Christian beliefs, other religions, etc. Both sides are trying to do this as soon as possible before the Judgment Day comes, when the world will be destroyed and the saved will be sent to heaven while the unsaved to hell. The Christian sees as his/her duty on God’s side to help save as many lost souls as possible. And that’s what the world is all about in a nutshell for many Christian fundamentalists. This simple model of the world puts everything in neat little simplistic boxes, as well as gives them an exact definable purpose in life. It simplifies everything and takes away the complexity of the world, because in the end, this spiritual warfare is all that matters, and the salvation of souls is all that will remain for eternity!



Why deconversion is slow and difficult psychologically and emotionally



By now, you should already have a strong idea of why it is so difficult for a Christian fundamentalist to deconvert from their beliefs even if they want to. But let me try to explain to you what it’s like to deconvert, which some call a “recovering fundamentalist” using examples from my own deconversion.



Let me first put it this way. A recovering fundamentalist is essentially recovering from a trojan horse virus, which began as a Gospel presented in a loving light but then entraps you in fear afterward. Basically I’d summarize it like this.



A non-believer is offered the gift of eternal life for accepting Christ, an offer which is difficult to refuse. (Children are especially susceptible since they are conditioned to believe that whatever adults say is right.) (In addition, the Gospel is often presented by the church using hypnosis-style techniques, described by master hypnotist Dick Sutphen in How Revivalist Preachers Work.) After accepting it, you subconsciously without knowing it, give up your reason and intellect. You abandon those things to have what you think is eternal life, which is psychologically grappling. So even when you find out that there is not one scintilla of evidence to support your religious beliefs as valid, you don't care and believe anyways because you don't want to lose that eternal life you have. No one would want to let go of that, and that's why it's such a sophisticated form of mind control. You're given something for nothing, not realizing the old saying "If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is." And once you're in, the offer of eternal life compels you to stay no matter what, while the fear of hell keeps you from straying from the path. This form of mind control was powerfully used by the Catholic Church to keep many countries under its control. So, when a person recovers from this and the trojan horse virus is gone, that person feels a relief for getting his/her intellectual liberty and freedom to think back again, but at the same time, fears of God's wrath and damnation still preside in the back of his/her mind. That is essentially what goes on with recovering fundamentalists.



Now, as for me, the recovery was not only that, but also of the burden and confusion of believing that my family, which were non-believers, were going to hell simply because they weren't Christians. My parents are the most honest decent caring people in the world, and I was burdened with the thought that they would go to hell, so there was pressure on me to try to convert them, and it almost made me crazy. Thank goodness that after I recovered from fundamentalism, I felt a huge relief to have that burden lifted off my shoulders. I knew that those fears weren’t true after all, and that God never said those things, but people did. But since I didn't want to lose my belief in the immortality of the soul, I turned to New Age, reincarnation, and alternative spirituality to keep my beliefs in eternal life, but in another form.



Here are the psychological dynamics involved in the deconversion process. First, the ministers, preachers, and pastors have instilled into the Christians a fear and paranoia of Satan. They are told that Satan is constantly looking for ways to make them fall from their faith, using their own family, friends, temptations, other religions, even their own mind, etc. Therefore, they are told to never trust anything except for God, Jesus, and the Bible. Everything else could be used as a weapon of Satan, even your own mind. Therefore, if you doubt your faith, then you are warned, “Watch out! That’s exactly what Satan wants you to do! Don’t fall into his trap! Don’t even trust your own mind, which Satan can use against you! Trust only in God and the Bible!” When this fear and paranoid become ingrained in you, it becomes hard for you to walk away from your faith even if you want to.



Second, Christians are also instilled with a feeling of obligation and love to God. This is done by using GUILT in a powerful way that is both loving and condescending. They are told that God loved them so much that he became flesh and died for them on the cross. This was the ultimate act of love for them, giving up one’s life, so they could be forgiven their sins. Therefore, it is insinuated that only a horrible person, a monster so to speak, would turn their back on God after all he did for them! In effect, they even equate betraying the Christian faith and turning your back on the God of the Bible with the act of betraying your own parents and stabbing them in the back! What a horrible thing to equate! And that’s what makes it so much more difficult, because it’s so ingrained in your conscience that to try to leave the faith instills a sense of guilt in you. To view an example of this, read this online tract in easy to read comic book format from Chick Publications:



http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0295/0295_01.asp



You can view many more tracts such as the above to get familiarized with Christian beliefs and mentality at: http://www.chick.com/catalog/TractLookUp.asp?Language=English



Christians try to portray those who deconvert from the faith as similar to a Jedi Knight in the Star Wars movies converting to the Dark Side of the Force! Like Yoda and Ben Kenobi, they try to equate turning away from the Christian faith with the path to darkness and evil! The nerve of them!



Here’s an interesting contrast in perspectives. From the Christian view, the term for a deconvert or former Christian is called a “backslider”. So when someone they know deconverts or falls away, they say that he/she is “backslidden” which implies a fall downward from somewhere higher. However, many former Christians will term their deconversion as becoming more “enlightened” or “evolved” implying that they moved to a higher level not a lower one. It’s such an interesting contrast of perspectives.



Another reason is that when you become a devout Christian, you are taught to deny yourself and live for Christ. When that becomes your way of life, or you live and breathe that, eventually you might lose sense of who you are, so that if you left the fold, you’d have nothing left to go back to. In the book Fundamentalism: Hazards and Heartbreaks one account of this is described: (page 8)



“The comment of a former fundamentalist who appeared on a 1986 ‘Donahue’ television show provides perhaps as poignant a view of their pain as any former fundamentalist could express. Billy Jackson told a national audience his impression of how fundamentalism had been practiced in his church: “We had to become like Jesus Christ and die to ourselves. In other words, you kill your own personality off and try and replace it with Jesus Christ. When I did leave I had killed myself off to such a point that there was nothing of me left, and that’s what keeps you in there because you can’t relate to anyone else.””



In addition, there is of course, always the fear in the Christian turning away that his faith may have been the truth and he may be wrong and therefore he may be struck by lightning or punished in some way for deconverting. That thought can easily creep up in his/her mind from time to time.



These above reasons are why the deconversion process for the Christian who wants to turn away from his/her extreme beliefs or feels they are no longer true or necessary, is so slow and difficult. They do not suddenly decide to deconvert and announce it to their peers. It doesn’t work that way at all. For me, the deconversion process took about two years before I was finally rid of the psychological baggage and brainwashing instilled into me. After you decide that Christian doctrine and theology is not true or not right for you, you usually are afraid to not tell anyone about it at first, for the reasons mentioned above. For me, I was afraid to tell anyone about it for almost a year because there was too much fear and guilt attached to my former beliefs. It was only after much research, did the confidence about my decision increase gradually to the point where I could confidently declare it to others without fear or guilt or the sense that I was joining “the dark side”.



In spite of all this though, there are many who have successfully deconverted. You can read books about these people on this list:



http://www.infidels.org/infidels/products/books/christianity/ex-christians.html



Knowledge is power and protection from fear



The good news about all this though, is that there is protection from the extreme fear imposed upon people by the Evangelists and Fundamentalists, and that protection is from knowledge. If it were not for the knowledge I have which I share in this article, for instance, I too would still be living in fear of eternal punishment that these preachers declare. Fortunately, the knowledge I gained from research, which I’ve shared in this article, slowly gave me the confidence to overcome this fear, which is of the worst kind (what fear could be worse than that of eternal punishment?). By gaining knowledge yourself, you can too. And that’s good news for those recovering fundamentalists who want to turn away but are too fearful to do it or declare it.


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