加拿大的種族歧視真厲害

[wiiwii]

骨子里，是有些土生土长的家长和学生的危机感越来越大，他们还没有做好接受挑战的心理准备，不让他们叫几声不成吧，总得让他们放出来。

说流氓点,让那些LOSER哀嚎吧

 

[ccc]

I am not that proud of her. She had very little contribution to the Chinese community. I have never heard anything she said on behalf of Chinese here.

如果仅仅做这些，她充其量作到个普通记者、MP。

 

[ccc]

说流氓点,让那些LOSER哀嚎吧

过去，他们愁的是如何在国际上竞争；做梦也没想到竞争会出现在自己的＂家＂里。

 

[wiiwii]

过去，他们愁的是如何在国际上竞争；做梦也没想到竞争会出现在自己的＂家＂里。

其实心态很重要,如果那个白TRASH跳出来对我进行种族攻击,很大可能我会对他哈哈大笑,也有可能把他扁一顿如果心情不佳

 

[ccc]

其实心态很重要,如果那个白TRASH跳出来对我进行种族攻击,很大可能我会对他哈哈大笑,也有可能把他扁一顿如果心情不佳

其实，这也没有必要，是不是。就如同在中国，外地人抢了当地人的生意、饭碗，开始他们会不爽。过些时候，他们也得认真玩了、也得拼一下。

只要大学没有歧视政策的存在，我们大可不必惊讶。不过，曾听说过有的医学院似乎有种族上的选择录取倾向。

 

[苦逼热狗]

我记得以前听说北美这头非白人不能做核心的外科手术.
Brain surgery, Cardiac surgery的主治医师很多都是白人。

 

[ccc]

我记得以前听说北美这头非白人不能做核心的外科手术.
Brain surgery, Cardiac surgery的主治医师很多都是白人。

也听过那么几耳朵。

 

[BoBoMa]

CCC, 热狗, 你们还在这里风花雪月，尤其有适龄高中生的，不觉得应该政治鼻子敏锐一点吗，这可是切身利益啊

 

[苦逼热狗]

CCC, 热狗, 你们还在这里风花雪月，尤其有适龄高中生的，不觉得应该政治鼻子敏锐一点吗，这可是切身利益啊

既来之则安之，加拿大人口这么少，他如果愿意put more shackle on the enrollment，只能害到自己，而且会把人往南边赶。
CU的CS已经有很严重的enrollment问题了

此外我从小没有跟父母在一起，我很早就是个离窝的鸟，但是我不觉得我过的比任何在父母光环下生活的同龄人差，我如果有孩子，我会让他/她过得更独立，但是也要提醒他/她自己要努力。
no pain no gain.

同事的朋友发了一个帖子，我觉得挺有意思的
http://www.joeydevilla.com/2010/11/12/yellow-peril-2-0/

1. Would it kill you to crack open a math book once in a while and solve for x?
2. Remember the sage words of “Jack” (the TV exec on 30 Rock played by Alec Baldwin): “This country was built by immigrants. The first generation works their fingers to the bone building it from the ground up. The second generation goes to college, drives innovation, and makes a better life for their families. The third generation…[sigh] snowboards and takes improv classes.”

 

[ccc]

CCC, 热狗, 你们还在这里风花雪月，尤其有适龄高中生的，不觉得应该政治鼻子敏锐一点吗，这可是切身利益啊

没有那么严重。这个社会，整体上还是理智的。

敏感点好，但是过敏就是自找苦恼。

 

[Tongjiya]

You are mixing two separate issues here: that of your upbringing in HK under British rule and that of your experience in Vancouver.

The HK under British rule dated back to 1842. There were a lot of discriminations and racial prejudice. Until late 60's for example, The HongHong & Shanghai bank would not allow anybody of Chinese origin to dine in their executive dining room. So a British secretary could but a Chinese manager could not. In some parks: "華人與狗不能进内" sign was posted (pre WWII). I hated history textbooks which sidestepped events such as Opium War and stopped at 1939. I hated the up turning noses of those Brits who treated Chinese with disdain. Those and others made me not to go back to HK and work during those days. I did not want to live as a second class citizen.

Your experience in Vancouver is a phenomenon as a result of massive immigration from HK as the uncertainty of the future of HK drew near. It was not a gradual change but a step increase of HK Chinese population who brought their own culture and habits alien to the locals. That created a tremendous pressure for the local governments and people to adapt.
It is almost natural to expect resentment. People who do not speak their language (Many do, but their parents don't. The kids mostly don't). They do not know how and may not want to socialize with their neighbours. They drove the price of real estate sky high, out of reach for some locals. How do you feel if you were one of the locals?
I am only explaining the why. Now I do not condone racism, but that was the recipe for racial conflict.
Your experience borne out of that resentment was expected. I know that too since my brother immigrated about that time too to Vancouver. I tried to encourage him and his family to come to Ottawa instead, but it was too cold and too far from HK as my brother had business there.

To sum it up, I can understand your experience in Vancouver but you need to look beyond. Yes, anti-Chinese sentiment is more acute in Western Canada but honestly it is not too bad. I am well traveled. I know. But to think it is better in Europe, you are just kidding yourself. UK is no better. The rest of Europe was not subjected to massive Chinese immigration but you just have to look at the Turks in Germany and the Morrocans in France.

Maybe your feeling of being prejudiced cannot be cured. In that case you may be better off going back to HK. But if you are continuing to stay here, you need to find peace within yourself. For every racial remark directed to you, there are at least twice more number of people who are friendly and generous. Ignorant people are everywhere, in Canada, China and other places. Learn to shrug it off.

I don't harbour any hatred towards the British anymore, nor do I towards the Japanese. I do not forget. History teaches us valuable lessons.

Thanks for your reply and your kind words. I am extremely traumatised by my experience and I cannot change how I feel. Sometimes I find that everyday is a struggle because of racism. Thank God, like you said, I escaped to Ottawa and I am now feeling much, much better. I still think that eventually I will move back to Hong Kong after I have retired. I did not like the Chinese government but have since accepted that probably it is not such a bad idea to live under Chinese rule because at least people will not treat you like dirt just because of the way you look. Immediately after 1997, I looked back at HK under British rule with nostalgia but now I think HK will be better off the way it is now, so I move on.

For the benefits of the readers who do not know Hong Kong well, let me also share some of my experience under colonial rule. I remember that when I took the HKCE exam, everybody knew that the Opium War would never come up as a question. The Chinese history curriculum stopped on Oct. 1, 1949, the date of the founding of PRC; all the modern literary work that we studied in the Chinese Language courses were written in 1920s or 1930s, etc... how abnormal when you think back.

My father told me that in the 1950s, the upper deck of the trams and the cross-harbour ferries only admitted Europeans, regardless of your ability to pay. His company had separate canteens and washrooms for Europeans and Eurasians, and Chinese. I read that HK Bank actually had three kinds of washrooms: Europeans, Eurasians (mostly Portuguese from Macau) and Chinese; the managers were British, supervisors Portuguese and the clerks Chinese. Government officials were not allowed to speak Chinese, and therefore if a local official talked to client who spoke Cantonese only, they would have to get an interpretor!

I have also travelled widely in the UK and Europe and am aware of the intense racism there, but they are not directed towards East Asians, but rather towards blacks and Muslims in France, Turks in Germany and blacks and Indians in the UK, etc. I know it sounds selfish but I am fine as long as I am not targeted. Here in Ottawa, people have problems with Muslims and blacks as well esp Somalis, but they largely leave me alone. I have also heard that due to the influx of Chinese immigrants in countries like Italy, Spain, etc., racism towards Asians is now way up in those countries.

Now that I am much older, I feel that I need to learn more about my original heritage; and that is why I am learning Potungua and Japanese. Probably one day I would need them if I did decide to move back to HK.

BTW, is your brother still in Vancouver? My brother lives there too and he told me that things have improved quite a bit since I left, although I am not convinced

 

[Tongjiya]

I am not that proud of her. She had very little contribution to the Chinese community. I have never heard anything she said on behalf of Chinese here.

I agree with you. She is a successful person but has got nothing at all to do with the Chinese community. She is just like Lydia Dunn, who is British through and through.

 

[ccc]

I agree with you. She is a successful person but has got nothing at all to do with the Chinese community. She is just like Lydia Dunn, who is British through and through.

这就是我们中国人很普遍的看问题方式。

听到过哪个英裔或者法裔的人，抱怨哪个总理没有为他们英裔或者法裔干点什么么？

某华裔得个什么奖、当个什么官，我们的媒体在报道的时候，总得在该人的名字前冠以＂华人＂、＂华裔＂。

见过英国、法国媒体这么报道英裔或法裔么？

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

其实这是个非常有争议的topic，有人说push孩子学习是parental failure，也有人说是为了孩子好。我觉得亚洲人更趋近第二种，北美人更偏好第一个。这应该就是所谓的cultural difference吧。

我觉得最大的cultural difference就是别人说了关于asian也好什么的事情，我们自己回来讨论，检讨，这太不符合北美弱肉强食的规律了。。。中国人和现在中国小孩最大的毛病是除了学习和工作，什么都很弱。。。比如体育，自信，个性。。。所以macleans也好，本地白人什么也好，他们就觉得中国人代表的asian就是软柿子，好捏，可以随便歧视随便说。。。。。。

这点说真的挺尊敬韩国现在小孩的。。。。学校因为种族的事情，韩国人能干上去，中国小孩就一声不响回家找妈妈哭诉。。。

人善被人欺，马善被人骑。。。

macleans再发这种公告，华裔联合律师状告要大量索赔，天天守在cic， macleans得总部门口打牌子抗议。。看看那群人下次发这种文章还不得掂量掂量自己得瑟的成本？？？？？？

就是因为白人为首的conservative canada，对华人得瑟没有成本，所以现在才那么嚣张。。。。

稍微rude一点但是我觉得很straight forward。。。。

I ain't give them shit...they wanna fuck with us? we gonna fuck them up big time...

我觉得现在中国人就是缺少这种attitude。。。

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

我曾经公开对本地人说过类似的话：

When some kids play hockey, Asia kids study.

When some kids go to party, Asia kids study.

When some kids watch TV, Asia kids study.

When some kids hang out, Asia kids study.

High school is just 4 years. Some kids relax 4 years, Asia kids study 4 years.

我觉得study不是问题

但是。。。。

When those white kids pissing about china, chinese kids said nothing and go back to study
When those white kids beat chinese kids in sports, they said nothing and go back to study
When those white kids hang out with most of chinese girls in school, chinese kids said nothing and go back to study
When those white kids didn't invite chinese kids to parties, they said nothing and go back to study
When those white kids grown up and went into university, they are bitching about too many chinese students, chinese kids said nothing and go back to study
When those white kids graduated and someone wrote about yellow-peril racism story in most public magazine, chinese kids said nothing and go back to ....work

In the end, they concluded, "wow, you see chinese kids are just group of cowards, lets do whatever we want to make us feel good. John, you know, when the first time i was telling the asian kids go back to their fucking country, honestly i was nervous, maybe that guy gonna hit me or sth, but guess what, they did nothing at all. I tried so many times in high school, university and even work, oh boy, it just make me feel so good.."