请问,你们的家庭医生也都是这样的吗?

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最初由 terry 发布


I have tons of "worse" experiences here, if those can make people happy, I am willing to share with you guys.

Should all Chinese get other's satisfaction by telling his much worse experience? Is that the merit of Eastern culture? I don't think so.



AS I said before,
first , your point and topic is NOT the one I talked here
second, as I said "
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如果你是回答我最初的问题”你们的家庭医生也都是这样的吗?“很感谢你的回答。但这不是你在这个TOPIC的第一个贴子,所以觉得你并不是在回答问题,而是在”比较“你是想说,你自己的这些医生都很好,所以我(们)一,不应对华人医生有偏见,二 我(们)针对DR.CHAN的看法可能是不对的,是吗?and more in my previous post...)
Do you think I am willing/forcing you to share your worst experiences ? I think you should understand my points.
I DID NOT WANT TO SAY IT SO FRANKLY BEFORE, BUT NOW LET SAY it STRAIGHT IF YOU WANT TO KINDLY HELP OR ANSWER OTHERS' QUETIONS, PLEASE CAREFULLY LISTEN FIRST AND UNDERSTAND THE POINT,DO NOT ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE OTHERS A LESSON just like I DID WHAT WHAT, YOU SHOULD WHAT WHAT :(

As I said in my previous post "谢谢! 不过恕我直言,不知为什么都你的回贴总是感觉很奇怪?
我倒不是说你一定要和我的看法一至,只是似乎你根本不知道我们在讲什么,确总是一副教训人的语气,似乎非要”教导“谁不可。

所以我想说,如果你的这个教导是真对我的,那么,”谢谢,不过请收回”。"

third, what I reply the other guys topic is "
Let's say eventhough your conclusion is the trut...
. Which does not mean I agree or not, it is only mean eventhough he said is the truth, it is okay, it maybe only culture differences. and If what he said is the truth, as I am, I beliebe most of us here, maybe not all, are at least asian guys, so what's the problem. some guy here thiught he/she was not Asian/Chinese any more? :confused:
Yes, any one can prefer any one of the two, but do not forget eventhough you did choose "western "way, it will be okay , of course, but you ar still youself and a Chinese.
 
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最初由 bill 发布




AS I said before,
first , your point and topic is NOT the one I talked here
second, as I said "
Do you think I am willing/forcing you to share your worst experiences ? I think you should understand my points. DO NOT ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE OTHERS A LESSON :(

third, what I reply the other guys topic is " . Which does not mean I agree or not, it is only mean eventhough he said is the truth, it is okay, it maybe only culture differences. and If what he said is the truth, as I am, I beliebe most of us here, maybe not all, are at least asian guys, so what's the problem.


Terry, somebody even think you are giving him a lesson, although I don't think so.

That proved my saying again.
 
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最初由 Rock2008sz 发布


Beleive me, you are suitable for living here.

You may have tons of trouble in China.

You are right. In China, I used to work with one manager( I was deputy.) In the meeting, I express my view frankly which were just for the work, while some of them were different from manager's view. Some of them proved I was correct. Then that guy gave me tons of "small shoes" to wear. Thus I came to Canada.

I am really not suitable for living in China If I was asked to back.

Forgive me if anyone thinks there is anything by which you think your heart or soul were hurt or broken that is not what I intend.
 
Re: (后续) 请问,你们的家庭医生也都是这样的吗?

First , Thanks for all here to give your opnions under this topic.

Second, Those are my experiences with Dr. Chan, and you can see some other guys have the similar ones with her as mine, so you can decide for youself when you want to see a doctor : See Dr. Chan or find another doctor. :)

Third, I have written the HELTHY DEPT for 投诉 her unprofessional manner with patients.



最初由 bill 发布


首先,想请问你还 记得如何想卫生部投诉吗?尽管我已经换了家庭医生,可是我觉得还是要把她的恶性投诉一下,希望能 有些用途,说不定日后她能对其他的患者好一些。
.................

最终,也还是不了了之,而我也下定了决心换医生,因为我对她的医术,职业道德和人品实在不敢恭维,更不愿意以自己的健康冒险,因为我知道“庸医”是最可怕的。
:confused: :D
 
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最初由 bill 发布




AS I said before,
first , your point and topic is NOT the one I talked here
second, as I said "
Do you think I am willing/forcing you to share your worst experiences ? I think you should understand my points.
I DID NOT WANT TO SAY IT SO FRANKLY BEFORE, BUT NOW LET SAY it STRAIGHT IF YOU WANT TO KINDLY HELP OR ANSWER OTHERS' QUETIONS, PLEASE CAREFULLY LISTEN FIRST AND UNDERSTAND THE POINT,DO NOT ALWAYS TRY TO GIVE OTHERS A LESSON just like I DID WHAT WHAT, YOU SHOULD WHAT WHAT :(

As I said in my previous post "谢谢! 不过恕我直言,不知为什么都你的回贴总是感觉很奇怪?
我倒不是说你一定要和我的看法一至,只是似乎你根本不知道我们在讲什么,确总是一副教训人的语气,似乎非要”教导“谁不可。

所以我想说,如果你的这个教导是真对我的,那么,”谢谢,不过请收回”。"




You are Ph.D, I am just M.Sc. How dare I 教训人? 你太抬举我了。
I am just telling the true thing happened at my family doctor.

I am a truely good listener. If someone has better idea, like "tech" and "rock2008sz", I am very pleased to take it. I am willing to deal with people with better knowledge than I have. So I am happy, I don't have much troubles here.

If there is any unhappyness, that was my first dentist who is from eastern europe, she charged me double compared with others, and did poor job. then I just moved to one dentist from Hongkong who did excellent job. There is no need for me to be angry with this lady.

I think most people can see who is aggressive here in this forum.
I saw lots of aggressive people before and now. Since there were so many, it won't bother me.
 
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haha, you are a M.S.? I have to persuade myself to believe you!

最初由 terry 发布



You are Ph.D, I am just M.Sc. How dare I 教训人? 你太抬举我了。
I am just telling the true thing happened at my family doctor.
 
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最初由 pepper 发布
haha, you are a M.S.? I have to persuade myself to believe you!

最初由 terry 发布



You are Ph.D, I am just M.Sc. How dare I 教训人? 你太抬举我了。
I am just telling the true thing happened at my family doctor.


看来又有人要来调查TERRY的学历了,累不累啊

根据TERRY的回复,我相信他的学历。
 
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最初由 terry 发布



You are Ph.D, I am just M.Sc. How dare I 教训人? 你太抬举我了。
I am just telling the true thing happened at my family doctor.

I am a truely good listener.

Really?? I strongly doubt it.

If someone has better idea, like "tech" .
Really?? What Tech said? Did you got his points? I believe he got what I said in my case with Dr. Chan, and also said some good points, I strongly agree with him, but I DONOT believe you got his points.



and "rock2008sz", I am very pleased to take it. I am willing to deal with people with better knowledge than I have. So I am happy, I don't have much troubles here.

If there is any unhappyness, that was my first dentist who is from eastern europe, she charged me double compared with others, and did poor job. then I just moved to one dentist from Hongkong who did excellent job. There is no need for me to be angry with this lady.

I think most people can see who is aggressive here in this forum.
I saw lots of aggressive people before and now. Since there were so many, it won't bother me.
:confused:

AS you said in your post:
terry:
... When I had something unhappy, I usually said to myself. Is there anything I didn't care while it did block my understanding or communication?

If you are really the kind guy as you said "“吾日三省吾身”, did you ever did "三省 " for this topic we are talking?
I doubt it.

Did not just find some good words to cover yourself. If you are really such kind of guy, please do it, not only talk it.

Just becauseyou always talked the question about "(terry)她在15分钟安排两个人完全正常。"
Did you read what I said at the original post "(bill)事实上以老太婆的效率,她根本不可能15分钟内看完一个病人!而她却间隔15分钟安排两个人,本身可能就不对!
好在我是当天的最后一个人,等到我时,已经6点多了。
这还不够。如果她只是慢一些,而且确实是因为认真诊断而延误些时间,根本没问题,因为就看病,诊断而言,真的是不能仓促的。可是下面发生的事,大家就一定和我一样会有不同的看法。"

I have no idea why you did not get my point.


Why did you write "在大陆时,医生没有CANADA医生那样的地位,我们从大陆来的,或多或少这种感觉会影响我们处理问题的态度。在国内很多事情可以用PUSH和红包来加快,这里不行。

另外这里有的习惯,专业人员会非常反感你当场用别的人员的意见和他对比。你如果对他的判断有任何疑惑或怀疑,只管CHANGE好了。这个道理和同警察打交道一样。警察让你把手举起来,只管举就是,之后再投诉。这是我在CANADA工作生活的感受。"

Don't you think there are some specifal hidden meaning behind the words?

Do not you thnk my feeling about your words above is the real thing you want to say?
As I said in my previous post "谢谢! 不过恕我直言,不知为什么都你的回贴总是感觉很奇怪?我倒不是说你一定要和我的看法一至,只是似乎你根本不知道我们在讲什么,确总是一副教训人的语气,似乎非要”教导“谁不可。

If I am wrong, please answer me some questions:
If you did the " 三省", can you tell us why you mentioned about "...从大陆来的,或多或少这种感觉会影响我们处理问题的态度
I belive this is the major reason why we ( such as me, 无极道士, J.J. etc) are angry with you. Did you ever think about it id you really do " 三省"????????

Did you think we, who came from China and have the same bad experience with Dr.Chan, did something wrong with her?
What did I do with her are wrong? I did not see anything wrong I did to her, can you point out?
Please, we only talk about the specific case with Dr. Chan, do not enlarge the question!

and also you said "...这个道理和同警察打交道一样..", did you read my post, and can you answer the question in my old post ?
That is totally different.
Police is law-enforcement! Doctor is a service persion, and should be professional, and most important, I paid her/him for my exam! Do you think whereis the OHIP money come from? I pay the tax!



If you did the " 三省", do you still think that is " your happy experiences bothering others" ?

No, not your experiences. No one has problem about your happy experiences with your doctors.

It is your words which offended other Chinese, and let others fell bad.

That is why some guys here, including me and another 2 or 3, are not happy with your post.
please check your post and our discussion especially the posts:

http://www.comefromchina.com/newbbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106515&perpage=10&pagenumber=5

http://www.comefromchina.com/newbbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106515&perpage=10&pagenumber=6
 
not agree with you

最初由 geok_yian_c 发布
I would recommend Dr. Lily Tang. I do not know if she is still accepting new patients but in my own experience, she is a good and caring doctor. Not only she can speak mandrian, she is also polite, focus and always lends a sympathetic ear to her patients. When I requested a full medical check up a few months ago, she gave me a thorough check up including recommending me for a blood test without hestitation. On top of that, the receptionists in her clinic are quite polite and nice. You will certainly feel at home in her clinic.

Address: 293, Maclaren street, Ottawa, On, K2P 0L9

Tel no: 236-6375 , 236-7782


I agreed totally with Oreo's suggestion that we should have a separate topic on medical issue. It is only through all your suggestion and sharing of experiences that we can enjoy better medical services. I felt that there is a vast difference in the quality of medical doctors here in Ottawa. Due to the lack of information, some have gone through a lot of unpleasant experiences in finding medical help.

当我要求做年度体检的时候,她就按了按腹部、脊椎,看了看眼睛、耳朵,开了张常规验血单了事。我问她是否应该做其他检查,如B超、心电图、血脂检查等,她说不用,等有症状才需要。

我正在找新的家庭医生,请推荐一位KANATA地区的,讲英文的好的女医生。
 
请问换家庭医生是否要交钱,是随便换吗?谢谢
 
You shouldn't pay anything fees to change doctors. First of all you need to book a doctor who still accepting new patients.Then you can ask she or her to transfer your health record. Frequently change doctor is not recommended though, as many people are waiting for family doctors. Family doctor in Canada is in real shortage. Canada's health systems are not perfect, don't held your expectation too high. By the experience of living in Canada for 11 years, I've learn that building a good mutual relationship with your family doctor is one crucial factor to have good health. We need to chip in some little effort.

Good health!
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
我也知道你说的是谁。那个医生实在奇怪得很,自己接电话,小小的办公室乱七八糟地放着无数东西。态度倒是还可以,就是耽误时间太长。我预约好了还等了近两小时。去了一次就再也不想光临了。
我原来也是想找个说中文的, 去过她那里一次. 除了你说的上面那些问题之外, 我在外面等着的时候, 她和别的病人在房 间里说话也不关门, 我当然什么都听见了. 所以我再没去过.
 
Dr. McKenzie人很好,就在Forest Hills那个养老院里,离你家也就5分钟的路。以前看病要请至少两三个小时的假,就算约好了一个小时能看上就很幸运了。
Dr. McKenzie从来都不让人等,去了就看,看了就走,前后也就15分钟。除了条件差点(养老院,比较depressing,设备较旧,而且在地下室),我对他很满意。
 
他还收新病人吗? 我现在的医生在Carling&Maitland附近, 太远了. Forest Hills在哪里?

我还是希望能找 个女医生. :(
 
收。你就别想着挑医生了。有就凑合着用吧。经验证明,男医生更nice。:)
 
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