美国农业部（USDA）的转基因作物15年报告出来了，方舟子有关转基因增产安全的谎言不攻自破

[小 篆]

一个成功的推销员会把缺点描述成为对买家或不可缺的优点。

那是有针对性的陈述技巧，所谓个性化的沟通，跟捏造和撒谎是两个档次吧？你是在暗示老向的教主是劣等推销员。

 

[uglyducking]

那是有针对性的陈述技巧，所谓个性化的沟通，跟捏造和撒谎是两个档次吧？你是在暗示老向的教主是劣等推销员。

不成功是肯定的了。

 

[reine02]

American Farmers Abandoning Genetically Modified Seeds: “Non-GMO Crops are more Productive and Profitable”
By Global Research News
Global Research, January 27, 2014
by Daniel Jennings

A growing number of farmers are abandoning genetically modified seeds, but it’s not because they are ideologically opposed to the industry.
Simply put, they say non-GMO crops are more productive and profitable.

Modern Farmer magazine discovered that there is a movement among farmers abandoning genetically modified organisms (GMO) because of simple economics.

“We get the same or better yields, and we save money up front,” crop consultant and farmer Aaron Bloom said of non-GMO seeds. Bloom has been experimenting with non-GMO seeds for five years and he has discovered that non-GMO is more profitable.

The re-converts to non-GMO seeds are not hippies but conservative Midwestern farmers who are making a business decision, Modern Farmer discovered. They are switching back to natural seed because it is more profitable — not because of any ideology.

“Five years ago the [GMO seeds] worked,” said farmer Christ Huegerich, who along with his father planted GMO seeds. “I didn’t have corn rootworm because of the Bt gene, and I used less pesticide. Now, the worms are adjusting, and the weeds are resistant. Mother Nature adapts.”

Farmers can get paid more for conventional corn than GMO corn. Plus, Huegerich discovered, convention corn can produce more per acre. Modern Farme reported that two years ago, Huegerich planted 320 acres of conventional corn and 1,700 with GMO corn. The conventional fields “yielded 15 to 30 more bushels per acre than the GMO fields, with a profit margin of up to $100 more per acre.” Last year, he planted conventional corn in 750 acres.

“I get a fifty-cent-per-bushel premium,” Huegerich said of the non-GMO corn he grows in Breda, Iowa.

Herbicide use increased by 26 percent between 2001 and 2010 because of the spread of herbicide-resistant weeds. Huegerich said he used herbicides on GMO corn and conventional corn, even though theoretically he shouldn’t have to use it on his genetically modified crop.

The group Farm & Water Watch reported that 61.2 million acres of cropland in the US are plagued by weeds that are resistant to the popular glyphosate herbicides.

Why Non-GMO Seeds Are More Profitable

The Modern Farmer article, called The Post GMO-Economy, makes an excellent case for farmers dumping GMO. Some of the interesting facts the magazine uncovered include:

• The cost of growing one acre of non-GMO corn was $680.95, the cost of growing an acre of GMO corn was $761.80 according to Aaron Bloom. That means it costs $80.85 more an acre to raise GMO corn.
• GMO seeds can cost up to $150 a bag more than regular seeds.
• The market for non-GMO foods has grown from $1.3 billion in 2011 to $3.1 billion in 2013, partially because some Asian and European countries don’t want GMO seeds.
• Grain dealer Clarkson Grain pays farmers an extra $2 a bushel for non-GMO soybeans and an additional $1 a bushel for non-GMO corn.
• The market for non-GMO seed is growing. Sales at Spectrum Seed Solutions, which sells non-GMO seed, have doubled every year for the last four years. Sales at another company that markets non-GMO seeds, eMerge Genetics of West Des Moines, Iowa, have increased by 30 percent a year for five years.
• Spectrum Seed Solutions president Scott Odle thinks that non-GMO corn could be 20 percent of the market in five years.

Bloom, the farm consultant, said planting convention corn can save farmers an average of $81 per acre per season. That’s a difference of $81,000 for a farm of 1,000 acres.

It looks like the past might be the future for farmers as more and more growers abandon GMO. The free market could very well spell the end of GMO seeds.

Copyright Daniel Jennings, offthegridnews.com, 2014

 

[向问天]

扯远了吧？两回事。电脑的普及创造的就业机会更多，远超了打印机所制造的就业机会。
你为什么总摆脱不了非黑即白的思维模式？说一个东西不成其为有点并不意味着就说它一定是缺点。而科学家和推销员的区别就在于前者会客观地介绍一个东西的所有特点，包括优缺点和既非有明显的优点也非缺点的东西，推销员则只会介绍优点，更糟糕的推销员甚至会无限夸大甚至捏造优点。

转基因也会创造更多工作机会啊
基因那么复杂，基因那么多，该需要多少人力物力来研究，你为什么也是非黑即白呢？

 

[jetdog]

好像很多人有这样一种恐惧，在农作物里不稳定的，非天然的基因片段会被人体吸收后，变成稳定的基因，从而变异？～～ 不懂瞎说啊...

 

[xyzology]

USDA2014年2月20日在其网站上发布了ERS的美国转基因种植15年来的分析报告《Genetically Engineered Crops in the United States》。原文见：http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/err-economic-research-report/err162.aspx

路透社的相关报道见：
U.S. GMO crops show mix of benefits, concerns - USDA report

1）报告揭穿了方舟子的转基因作物增产的谎言（实际上不仅没有转基因增产的定论，而且，种子价格高了50%）

The seeds are patented and cost more than conventional seeds - the price of GMO soybean and corn seeds grew by about 50 percent between 2001 and 2010, according to the report. But the companies that sell them say they make weed and insect management easier for farmers and can help increase production.

But in its report, the ERS researchers said over the first 15 years of commercial use, GMO seeds have not been shown to definitively increase yield potentials, and "in fact, the yields of herbicide-tolerant or insect-resistant seeds may be occasionally lower than the yields of conventional varieties," the ERS report states.

Several researchers have found "no significant differences" between the net returns to farmers who use GMO herbicide tolerant seeds and those who use non-GMO seeds, the report states.

2）报告揭穿了方舟子的转基因作物使用农药少，因而比传统粮食作物食用更安全的谎言 （转基因作物虽然农药杀虫剂少用了0.18磅/公顷，但农药杀草剂使用量增加了0.50磅/公顷。农药总使用量总量是增加的。况且极少量的除草剂残留都会导致癌症。报告中也提到some scientific studies are reporting that the chemicals used on the crops are linked to disease and illness.）。

GMO crops that prevent yield losses to pests is more helpful to farmers financially, allowing crops more yield potential and higher monetary returns, the report states. As well, insecticide use on corn farms was down to 0.02 pound per acre in 2010, down from 0.21 pound per acre in 1995, the report states.

But while insecticide use has gone down, herbicide use on GMO corn is rising, the report states. Herbicide use on GMO corn increased from around 1.5 pounds per planted acre in 2001 to more than 2.0 pounds per planted acre in 2010. Herbicide use on non-GMO corn has remained relatively level during that same time frame, the ERS said.

3）转基因作物由于要大量使用杀草剂农药，导致农田杂草产生抗药性，使得今后农作物的生产更加困难。

And the over reliance on glyphosate has translated to an increase weed resistance, which makes crop production much harder. Glyphosate is the chief ingredient in Roundup herbicide sold by Monsanto, and its use has translated to the glyphosate resistance seen in 14 weed species and biotypes in the United States, according to ERS.

这表面上是“反转基因”，实际上不就是想说：
1、唐骏的学历是真的；
2、中医是科学、能治病的；
3、署名韩寒的文章是韩寒写的，不是代笔的；
4、李一的道是“正道”不歪；
......
说你们什么好呢？不造假、找条活路那么难吗？一帮害怕方舟子的“伏地魔”！

 

[向问天]

扯远了吧？两回事。电脑的普及创造的就业机会更多，远超了打印机所制造的就业机会。
你为什么总摆脱不了非黑即白的思维模式？说一个东西不成其为有点并不意味着就说它一定是缺点。而科学家和推销员的区别就在于前者会客观地介绍一个东西的所有特点，包括优缺点和既非有明显的优点也非缺点的东西，推销员则只会介绍优点，更糟糕的推销员甚至会无限夸大甚至捏造优点。

忘记问了，我那帖子是怎么跟非黑即白扯上关系的？
反转最激烈的人认为， 吃转基因食品会断子绝孙， 20年后， 有的说是50年后， 还有的说是100年后，毒发身亡。这种无中生有的扯蛋， 好像才是跟非黑即白有关哦。

 

[eclipse]

这表面上是“反转基因”，实际上不就是想说：
1、唐骏的学历是真的；
2、中医是科学、能治病的；
3、署名韩寒的文章是韩寒写的，不是代笔的；
4、李一的道是“正道”不歪；
......
说你们什么好呢？不造假、找条活路那么难吗？一帮害怕方舟子的“伏地魔”！

一码归一码，小学都在教育学生的吧。
方舟子打假和方教主挺转，为什么要混在一起？一定只能伟光正？

 

[eclipse]

好像很多人有这样一种恐惧，在农作物里不稳定的，非天然的基因片段会被人体吸收后，变成稳定的基因，从而变异？～～ 不懂瞎说啊...

其实理性的人是说，转基因这东西到底好处坏处各有多少还不清楚，要继续研究。现在应该在食物上明确标出来，不想吃的可以躲着，不在乎的请便。
挺转的在教主带领下坚持转基因是绝对安全的，不准标出来，他们心里知道一旦标出来真的没什么人吃了，还美其名曰“这是创造条件让大家吃”。顺便把不同意的人统统标上“反转”。

 

[CatLostHerFish]

其实理性的人是说，转基因这东西到底好处坏处各有多少还不清楚，要继续研究。现在应该在食物上明确标出来，不想吃的可以躲着，不在乎的请便。
挺转的在教主带领下坚持转基因是绝对安全的，不准标出来，他们心里知道一旦标出来真的没什么人吃了，还美其名曰“这是创造条件让大家吃”。顺便把不同意的人统统标上“反转”。

中国好像是要标明转基因的吧？教主反对这个？

 

[9981]

其实理性的人是说，转基因这东西到底好处坏处各有多少还不清楚，要继续研究。现在应该在食物上明确标出来，不想吃的可以躲着，不在乎的请便。
挺转的在教主带领下坚持转基因是绝对安全的，不准标出来，他们心里知道一旦标出来真的没什么人吃了，还美其名曰“这是创造条件让大家吃”。顺便把不同意的人统统标上“反转”。

反转只是一种简略称呼， 就象你说挺转一样难道是对挺转派的侮辱么？

我觉得可以接受这样的报告。如果事实证明某些转基因产品不能够帮助农民和消费者， 打回孟山都重新研发。他们股票好得很， 也不是没钱。

 

[9981]

什么意思？反对？暗中挑衅我的仇敌？我的死对头就是你和 @9981 ，你俩今天一个赛一个地支持我。。。你俩害什么羞啊，我闪开，你们自己站出来打好不好？
@9981 ，老向在向你发出挑衅的信号呢，你快来接招吧。

你只有一个头啊， 怎么对两个人？ 到底准备死对谁啊？

 

[y.y]

幸亏，现在各行各业分专分业，有专家教授的，要不还不打死架了～～倒哪儿，都不知道怎么倒的～～

很想知道内行人怎么看外行人的涉内的，不知是是～～

 

[小 篆]

转基因也会创造更多工作机会啊
基因那么复杂，基因那么多，该需要多少人力物力来研究，你为什么也是非黑即白呢？

转基因对人类健康和环境有潜在的巨大危害，就这一条缺点，足以秒杀它的所有优点，除非保证它只待在实验室里直到人类掌握了避免那些危害的办法。现在支持这条的证据越来越多了，连美国农业部也改口径了，就这么简单。

 

[小 篆]

忘记问了，我那帖子是怎么跟非黑即白扯上关系的？
反转最激烈的人认为， 吃转基因食品会断子绝孙， 20年后， 有的说是50年后， 还有的说是100年后，毒发身亡。这种无中生有的扯蛋， 好像才是跟非黑即白有关哦。

任何派别里都有白痴，但那不是你彻底推翻一个派别的所有观点的依据。总之美国农业部的报告就是告诉了大家，方推销员原先打着科普名义宣传的东西是鬼扯，你就不要再替他洗白了。