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Experts ask Clinton to seek recount in three battleground states
Jonathan Lemire And David Hamilton
NEW YORK — The Associated Press
Published Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2016 5:37PM EST
Last updated Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2016 5:37PM EST

A group of election lawyers and data experts have asked Hillary Clinton’s campaign to call for a recount of the vote totals in three battleground states – Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania – to ensure that a cyberattack was not committed to manipulate the totals.

There is no evidence that the results were hacked or that electronic voting machines were compromised. The Clinton campaign on Wednesday did not respond to a request for comment as to whether it would petition for a recount before the three states’ fast-approaching deadlines to ask for one.

President-elect Donald Trump won Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by razor-thin margins and has a small lead in Michigan. All three states had been reliably Democratic in recent presidential elections.

The group, led by voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, contacted the Clinton campaign this week. That call, which was first reported by New York Magazine, raised the possibility that Clinton may have received fewer votes than expected in some counties that rely on electronic voting machines.

But Halderman, in an article posted on Medium on Wednesday, stressed that the group has no evidence of a cyberattack or voting irregularities. He urged that a recount be ordered just to eliminate the possibility.

“The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to closely examine the available physical evidence?–?paper ballots and voting equipment in critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania,” Halderman wrote.

Recounts, which are often costly and time-intensive efforts, would likely only be initiated if the Clinton camp pushed for one, though Wisconsin independently announced that it would conduct an audit of its vote. A call for a recount, particularly coming on the heels of a fiercely contested and sharply partisan election, would likely be cheered by Democrats but denounced by Republicans eager to focus on governing.

A request to the Trump transition team for comment was not immediately returned.

Trump’s campaign had long believed that his message of economic populism would resonate in the Rust Belt. He frequently campaigned in Pennsylvania and made a late push in both Wisconsin and Michigan, successfully turning out white working-class voters whom pollsters may have missed.

Many pre-election polls showed Clinton with slight leads. While advocating for the recounts, Halderman writes that “the most likely explanation” for Trump’s surprise win “is that the polls were systematically wrong,”

The deadlines for petitioning for a recount in all three states are in the coming days, with Wisconsin’s on Friday. Green Party candidate Jill Stein announced a fundraising effort Wednesday to pay for such recounts.

The focal point of any possible electoral cyberattack presumably would have been electronic voting machines that, whether or not they are connected to the internet, could be infected with malware that could change vote totals. But many of those machines produce a paper record of the vote that could be checked to see if the vote tabulations are accurate.

Pennsylvania is considered one of the states most susceptible to hacking because 96 per cent of its voting machines have no paper trail. Wisconsin is far less vulnerable because it uses electronic machines with voter-verifiable paper trails in most counties. Michigan is considered the safest of the three because it uses paper ballots.

Officials in the three states confirmed that no recounts have been ordered. A spokesman for the U.S. Justice Department says it is not tallying the number of voting complaints to determine whether federal action is warranted.

Many election experts have called for routine post-election audits designed to boost public confidence in vote outcomes, by guarding against both tampering and natural vote-counting mistakes. These could involve spot-checks of the voting records and ballots, typically in randomly selected precincts, to make sure that votes were accurately recorded.

In many states, audits involve hand-counting the votes on paper ballots and comparing the results to the totals stored in the state’s electronic voting system. Such audits do sometimes turn up mistakes that reverse an election. That happened in Florida’s Palm Beach County in 2012, when a post-election audit determined that the “winners” in two city council races were actually losers.

Routine audits also make it possible to confirm the accuracy of elections without putting the onus on losing candidates to call for a recount. In states without regular audits, a candidate who question the results gets “painted as a sore loser,” Pamela Smith, president of the non-profit Verified Voting, said in an interview earlier this year. “If you do a regular audit, you often don’t need a recount. It either shows the count was right or you find something.”

Any attempted hack to swing the results in three states would have been a massive and unprecedented undertaking. But electoral security was an issue that loomed large in many Americans minds this year as the Democratic National Committee and several Clinton staffers had their emails breached and later released. U.S. security officials believe that hack of email was orchestrated by Russian hackers.
 
Jill Stein hopes to request election recounts in battleground states

Green party presidential candidate seeks donations to fund efforts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin over ‘compelling evidence of voting anomalies’

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Jill Stein said she was acting due to ‘compelling evidence of voting anomalies’ in several battleground states. Photograph: Jim Young/Reuters

Wednesday 23 November 2016 18.47 GMT Last modified on Wednesday 23 November 2016 23.35 GMT

Jill Stein, the Green party’s presidential candidate, is prepared to request recounts of the election result in several key battleground states, her campaign said on Wednesday.

Stein launched an online fundraising page seeking donations toward a $2.5m fund she said was needed to request reviews of the results in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Stein said she was acting due to “compelling evidence of voting anomalies” and that data analysis had indicated “significant discrepancies in vote totals” that were released by state authorities.

“These concerns need to be investigated before the 2016 presidential election is certified,” she said in a statement. “We deserve elections we can trust.”

Stein’s move came amid growing calls for recounts or audits of the election results by groups of academics and activists concerned that foreign hackers may have interfered with election systems. The concerned groups have been urging Hillary Clinton, the defeated Democratic nominee, to join their cause.

Donald Trump won unexpected and narrow victories against Clinton in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin earlier this month and may yet win Michigan, where a final result has not yet been declared.

Stein and her campaign made clear they were acting because they wanted to ensure the election results were authentic, rather than because they thought she had actually won any of the contests. Several states allow any candidate who was on the ballot to request a recount.

She and those seeking recounts will need to move swiftly. This Friday is the deadline for requesting a recount in Wisconsin, where Trump’s winning margin stands at 0.7%. In Pennsylvania, where his margin is 1.2%, the deadline falls on Monday. In Michigan, where the Trump lead is currently just 0.3%, the deadline is Wednesday 30 November.

The Guardian previously disclosed that a loose coalition of academics and activists concerned about the election’s security is preparing to deliver a report detailing its concerns to congressional committee chairs and federal authorities early next week, according to two people involved.

“I’m interested in verifying the vote,” said Dr Barbara Simons, an adviser to the US election assistance commission and expert on electronic voting. “We need to have post-election ballot audits.” Simons is understood to have contributed analysis to the effort but declined to characterise the precise nature of her involvement.

A second group of analysts, led by the National Voting Rights Institute founder John Bonifaz and Professor Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan’s center for computer security and society, is also taking part in the push for a review.

In a blogpost earlier on Wednesday, Halderman said paper ballots and voting equipment should be examined in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. “Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to examine that evidence unless candidates in those states act now, in the next several days, to petition for recounts,” he said.

Clinton’s defeat to Donald Trump followed the release by US intelligence agencies of public assessments that Russian hackers were behind intrusions into regional electoral computer systems and the theft of emails from Democratic officials before the election.

Curiosity about Wisconsin has centred on apparently disproportionate wins that were racked up by Trump in counties using electronic voting compared with those that used only paper ballots.

Use of the voting machines that are in operation in some Wisconsin counties has been banned in other states, including California, after security analysts repeatedly showed how easily they could be hacked into.

However, Nate Silver, the polling expert and founder of FiveThirtyEight, cast doubt over the theory, stating that the difference disappeared after race and education levels, which most closely tracked voting shifts nationwide, were controlled for.

Silver and several other election analysts have dismissed suggestions that the swing-state vote counts give cause for concern about the integrity of the results.

Still, dozens of professors specialising in cybersecurity, defense and elections have in the past two days signed an open letter to congressional leaders stating that they are “deeply troubled” by previous reports of foreign interference, and requesting swift action by lawmakers.

“Our country needs a thorough, public congressional investigation into the role that foreign powers played in the months leading up to November,” the academics said in their letter, while noting they did not mean to “question the outcome” of the election itself.

Senior legislators including Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland have already called for deeper inquiries into the full extent of Russia’s interference with the election campaign.

Wednesday’s announcement by Stein, who had previously been hesitant to get involved, also shields Democratic operatives and people who worked on Clinton’s bid for the White House from needing to overtly challenge the election.

Some senior Democrats are known to be reluctant to suggest there were irregularities in the result because Clinton and her team criticised Trump so sharply during the campaign for claiming that the election would be “rigged” against him.

But others have spoken publicly, including the sister of Huma Abedin, Clinton’s closest aide. “A shift of just 55,000 Trump votes to Hillary in PA, MI & WI is all that is needed to win,” Heba Abedin said on Facebook, urging people to call the US justice department to request an audit.

Alexandra Chalupa, a former Democratic National Committee consultant who during the campaign investigated links between Moscow and Trump’s then campaign manager Paul Manafort, is also participating in the attempt to secure recounts or audits.

“The person who received the most votes free from interference or tampering needs to be in the White House,” said Chalupa. “It may well be Donald Trump, but further due diligence is required to ensure that American democracy is not threatened.”

In a joint statement issued last month, the office of the director of national intelligence and the Department for Homeland Security said they were “confident” that the theft of emails from the DNC and from Clinton’s campaign chair, John Podesta, which were published by WikiLeaks, was directed by the Russian government.

“Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company,” the statement went on. “However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian government.”
 
Hillary Clinton surpasses 2M popular vote lead amid calls for recount
By Andrew V. Pestano
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| Nov. 23, 2016 at 11:55 AM
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Hillary Clinton, seen here delivering her concession speech in New York City on November 9, has over 2 million more votes than Donald Trump in the national popular vote. She lost the election under the U.S. Electoral College system. Pool photo by Olivier Douliery/UPI

WASHINGTON, Nov. 23 (UPI) -- Hillary Clinton's popular vote lead over President-elect Donald Trump has surpassed 2 million, according to an independent analysis.

Cook Political Report on Wednesday said Clinton had 64,225,863 votes compared to Trump's 62,210,612 votes.

Clinton's victory in the popular vote has generated criticism against the United States' Electoral College system. Some activists and academics that formed a coalition are calling on U.S. authorities to fully audit or recount the election results, particularly in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The coalition hopes Clinton's campaign will join its efforts as it prepares to deliver a report of its concerns to congressional committee chairs and federal authorities next week.

"I'm interested in verifying the vote," Dr. Barbara Simons, an adviser to the U.S. election assistance commission and expert on electronic voting, told The Guardian. "We need to have post-election ballot audits."

Following the 2016 election, Clinton's loss is the fifth time in U.S. history a candidate who won the popular vote did not assume the presidency. The last time was in 2000, when former Vice President Al Gore defeated then-Texas Gov. George W. Bush in the popular vote, but lost the recount in Florida -- giving Bush the needed electoral votes to win the executive branch.

Since his election victory, Trump has defended the Electoral College, despite calling the system a "disaster for a democracy" in 2012.
 
据说仅加州一个州希拉里就领先川普280万票。可见她只赢得了这一个大州。如果总数领先200万,说明其他各州川普还超出80万选民。所以争论的实质是应该加州一州选民说了算,还是美国其他各州选民说了算。

其实我们加拿大人操心这些真是吃饱了。:)
 
Jill Stein raises over $3m to request US election recounts in battleground states

Green party presidential candidate seeks donations to fund efforts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin over ‘compelling evidence of voting anomalies’

Jill Stein said she was acting due to ‘compelling evidence of voting anomalies’ in several battleground states. Photograph: Jim Young/Reuters
Jon Swaine in New York
Thursday 24 November 2016 10.07 GMT Last modified on Thursday 24 November 2016 15.01 GMT

Jill Stein, the Green party’s presidential candidate, is prepared to request recounts of the election result in several key battleground states, her campaign said on Wednesday.

Stein launched an online fundraising page seeking donations toward a multimillion-dollar fund she said was needed to request reviews of the results in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Before midnight EST on Wednesday, the drive had already raised more than the $2m necessary to file for a recount in Wisconsin, where the deadline to challenge is on Friday. The campaign had reached $3m by 10am EST.

Stein said she was acting due to “compelling evidence of voting anomalies” and that data analysis had indicated “significant discrepancies in vote totals” that were released by state authorities.

“These concerns need to be investigated before the 2016 presidential election is certified,” she said in a statement. “We deserve elections we can trust.”

The fundraising page said it expected to need around $6m-7m to challenge the results in all three states.

Stein’s move came amid growing calls for recounts or audits of the election results by groups of academics and activists concerned that foreign hackers may have interfered with election systems. The concerned groups have been urging Hillary Clinton, the defeated Democratic nominee, to join their cause.

Donald Trump won unexpected and narrow victories against Clinton in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin earlier this month and may yet win Michigan, where a final result has not yet been declared.

Stein and her campaign made clear they were acting because they wanted to ensure the election results were authentic, rather than because they thought she had actually won any of the contests. Several states allow any candidate who was on the ballot to request a recount.

She and those seeking recounts will need to move swiftly. This Friday is the deadline for requesting a recount in Wisconsin, where Trump’s winning margin stands at 0.7%. In Pennsylvania, where his margin is 1.2%, the deadline falls on Monday. In Michigan, where the Trump lead is currently just 0.3%, the deadline is Wednesday 30 November.

The Guardian previously disclosed that a loose coalition of academics and activists concerned about the election’s security is preparing to deliver a report detailing its concerns to congressional committee chairs and federal authorities early next week, according to two people involved.

“I’m interested in verifying the vote,” said Dr Barbara Simons, an adviser to the US election assistance commission and expert on electronic voting. “We need to have post-election ballot audits.” Simons is understood to have contributed analysis to the effort but declined to characterise the precise nature of her involvement.

A second group of analysts, led by the National Voting Rights Institute founder John Bonifaz and Professor Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan’s center for computer security and society, is also taking part in the push for a review.

In a blogpost earlier on Wednesday, Halderman said paper ballots and voting equipment should be examined in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. “Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to examine that evidence unless candidates in those states act now, in the next several days, to petition for recounts,” he said.

Clinton’s defeat to Donald Trump followed the release by US intelligence agencies of public assessments that Russian hackers were behind intrusions into regional electoral computer systems and the theft of emails from Democratic officials before the election.

Curiosity about Wisconsin has centred on apparently disproportionate wins that were racked up by Trump in counties using electronic voting compared with those that used only paper ballots.

Use of the voting machines that are in operation in some Wisconsin counties has been banned in other states, including California, after security analysts repeatedly showed how easily they could be hacked into.

However, Nate Silver, the polling expert and founder of FiveThirtyEight, cast doubt over the theory, stating that the difference disappeared after race and education levels, which most closely tracked voting shifts nationwide, were controlled for.

Silver and several other election analysts have dismissed suggestions that the swing-state vote counts give cause for concern about the integrity of the results.

Still, dozens of professors specialising in cybersecurity, defense and elections have in the past two days signed an open letter to congressional leaders stating that they are “deeply troubled” by previous reports of foreign interference, and requesting swift action by lawmakers.

“Our country needs a thorough, public congressional investigation into the role that foreign powers played in the months leading up to November,” the academics said in their letter, while noting they did not mean to “question the outcome” of the election itself.

Senior legislators including Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland have already called for deeper inquiries into the full extent of Russia’s interference with the election campaign.

Wednesday’s announcement by Stein, who had previously been hesitant to get involved, also shields Democratic operatives and people who worked on Clinton’s bid for the White House from needing to overtly challenge the election.

Some senior Democrats are known to be reluctant to suggest there were irregularities in the result because Clinton and her team criticised Trump so sharply during the campaign for claiming that the election would be “rigged” against him.

But others have spoken publicly, including the sister of Huma Abedin, Clinton’s closest aide. “A shift of just 55,000 Trump votes to Hillary in PA, MI & WI is all that is needed to win,” Heba Abedin said on Facebook, urging people to call the US justice department to request an audit.

Alexandra Chalupa, a former Democratic National Committee consultant who during the campaign investigated links between Moscow and Trump’s then campaign manager Paul Manafort, is also participating in the attempt to secure recounts or audits.

“The person who received the most votes free from interference or tampering needs to be in the White House,” said Chalupa. “It may well be Donald Trump, but further due diligence is required to ensure that American democracy is not threatened.”

In a joint statement issued last month, the office of the director of national intelligence and the Department for Homeland Security said they were “confident” that the theft of emails from the DNC and from Clinton’s campaign chair, John Podesta, which were published by WikiLeaks, was directed by the Russian government.

“Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company,” the statement went on. “However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian government.”
 
Calls grow for recount of U.S. vote amid concerns about Russian hacking
Tom Blackwell | November 23, 2016 6:59 PM ET

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John Ehlke/West Bend Daily News via APA poll worker waves over voters to a electronic ballot box on election day, Nov. 8, 2016, in Slinger, Wisconsin. About 25 per cent of Americans’ votes are on electronic machines that dispense no paper record — and are all but unverifiable.

As the U.S. election wore down, Donald Trump repeatedly warned the process could be “rigged,” refusing to even say if he would accept results that didn’t favour him.

Two weeks after Trump’s stunning victory, the spectre of a fixed vote is suddenly emerging again, but this time academics and election-rights advocates are suggesting the Republican himself might have benefited.

And they’re raising the possibility that a foreign nation — namely, Russia — may have distorted the free vote in a country that often calls itself the world’s greatest democracy.

A number of experts with suspicions are pushing for recounts in certain swing states that Trump captured — counter to a string of pre-election polls — or at least audits of randomly selected votes.

The United States’ wholesale shift to electronic balloting after the 2000 Florida recount — with its punch cards and hanging “chads” — has left the systems open to outside, malicious tampering, elections-systems specialists warn.
America’s voting machines have serious cyber-security problems. It’s been documented beyond any doubt.

There is already evidence of Russian hackers trying to interfere in the election less directly — and directly in a recent Ukrainian vote.

Alex Halderman, a University of Michigan computer scientist and leading expert on computerized voting, reportedly spoke to Hillary Clinton’s campaign about the issue, and urged in a blog post early Wednesday that candidates request recounts.

“America’s voting machines have serious cyber-security problems,” he said. “It’s been documented beyond any doubt over the last decade … Recounting the ballots now can only lead to strengthened electoral integrity, but the window for candidates to act is closing fast.”

The deadlines for requesting recounts are coming in the next few days.

There’s no word from the Clinton camp about whether it will take action, while New York magazine reports that the Obama White House, anxious for a smooth transition, is discouraging the idea.

Indeed, asking for recounts could appear hypocritical. Trump’s own complaints about election rigging were roundly dismissed by the Democratic side, which insisted the system was largely impervious to manipulation.

Still, Trump was talking about voter fraud; the concerns now involve meddling from outside.

Other experts are pushing for a less-onerous audit of randomly selected ballots, which wouldn’t require a petition from any candidate.


Trump Supporters Back 'Rigged Election' Claims
Comparing just 1.5 million paper votes to digital records nationally would confirm with 95-per-cent confidence the results were accurate, says Ron Rivest, a computer science professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

“The point of an election is … not only to produce a correct result, but produce evidence that is convincing to the loser that they lost fair and square,” he said in an interview Wednesday. “And that’s what the audit does.”

Another figure calling for one is Heba Abedin, sister of key Clinton aide Huma Abedin, who urged friends on Facebook to lobby the Justice Department for an audit, saying “a shift of just 55,000 Trump votes to Hillary in (Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin) is all that is needed to win.”

Unfortunately, though, about 25 per cent of Americans’ votes are on electronic machines that dispense no paper record — and are all but unverifiable.

Halderman’s blog post says some counties in Wisconsin — one of Trump’s key wins — used solely electronic ballots, meaning they would require a “forensic analysis.”

He actually suggests the surprise election outcome is mostly likely due to faulty opinion polls, but says hacking is still possible. The only way to find out for sure is to examine the paper ballots, the professor says.

That the legitimacy of voting is even an issue stems ironically from reforms prompted by the Florida recount after the 2000 presidential election. The Helping America Vote Act of 2002 mandated states to modernize their election systems, helped by ample federal funding.

But experts say the resulting electronic systems — many using out-dated technology — are vulnerable to attack, not to mention run-of-the-mill computer glitches.

Meanwhile, in this election, Trump won some of the key swing states by narrow margins, meaning relatively small changes could have big impacts.

Russia has already been blamed by U.S. intelligence agencies for the hacking and leaking of emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign.

And officials in both Illinois and Arizona reported in August that their voter-registration systems had been breached by outsiders, with some sources pointing the finger at Russia.

In 2014, Russian-linked hackers attacked the Ukrainian elections agency, infecting its computers with a virus that officials said — undetected — would have given victory to the wrong candidate for president.

Various organizations, like the California-based Verified Voting, have for years called for routine audits of voting results in America, only to be ignored.

With all the talk of computer breaches, and a particularly close-fought, contentious election, now would be an ideal time to start, Pamela Smith, the group’s president, said in an interview Wednesday.

“Whether you’re in support of the winner or the loser, it’s satisfying to close that circle,” she said.
 
春长,请面对现实,等着闯王登基吧!
 
我是看他们折腾好玩儿。
那是根本不可能的事。
有一说法,听说闯婆当选后,加州银民表示要公投脱美。
 
那是根本不可能的事。
有一说法,听说闯婆当选后,加州银民表示要公投脱美。


就如同魁北克闹一样。普通老百姓能得到啥好处?
 
就如同魁北克闹一样。普通老百姓能得到啥好处?
魁省想独立的其实是很小的一部分人而已。
大部分人其实是:WHO CARES.
 
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