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说句实话,如果这个能代替所有福利,那可以精简主管退休金和EI以及主管福利等部门,所以有人会不支持。

自由党严格说不是极左政党。所以2020年12月土豆对此就打了哈哈,当时说“现在还没有这个必要”

正常的智囊都应该看到这个提案对加拿大影响太大了,其他的各种法案和政策,和这个一比几乎都不值一提了。但疫情之后,自由党饱受诟病,保守党肯定要拉它下马,如果自由党不支持这法案,它还是会丢掉很多自己的选票和NDP/绿党的支持、所以我觉得自由党可能会从自己在新的大选保住执政党的角度,而有条件支持,比如把数字往下压。

现在这500+2000太离谱了。 500+1000倒是说得过去。
 

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自由党严格说不是极左政党。所以2020年12月土豆对此就打了哈哈,当时说“现在还没有这个必要”

正常的智囊都应该看到这个提案对加拿大影响太大了,其他的各种法案和政策,和这个一比几乎都不值一提了。但疫情之后,自由党饱受诟病,保守党肯定要拉它下马,如果自由党不支持这法案,它还是会丢掉很多自己的选票和NDP/绿党的支持、所以我觉得自由党可能会从自己在新的大选保住执政党的角度,而有条件支持,比如把数字往下压。

现在这500+2000太离谱了。 500+1000倒是说得过去。
自由党完全可以不理,选票也跑不到保守党那儿去。如果这么蛮干,很可能搞垮加拿大。
 
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自由党完全可以不理,选票也跑不到保守党那儿去。如果这么蛮干,很可能搞垮加拿大。

自由党支持者从经济角度有两类,第一类有40-50%的 经济社会地位都还不错,和保守党的类似,第二类和NDP在经济上类似。

如果有这么大的馅饼,自由党反对的话,有接近50%的自由党的选民是有可能转向NDP或绿党的。到时自由党还是要下台。弄得不好NDP还成为议会席位最多的都很难说。。。想想几年前魁省选举NDP席卷的场景,,,,与其是让NDP极左上台,还不如让自由党在这提案讨价还价,把数字降低,,,对各方的综合损失最小。
 

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自由党支持者从经济角度有两类,第一类有40-50%的 经济社会地位都还不错,和保守党的类似,第二类和NDP在经济上类似。

如果有这么大的馅饼,自由党反对的话,有接近50%的自由党的选民是有可能转向NDP或绿党的。到时自由党还是要下台。弄得不好NDP还成为议会席位最多的都很难说。。。想想几年前魁省选举NDP席卷的场景,,,,与其是让NDP极左上台,还不如让自由党在这提案讨价还价,把数字降低,,,对各方的综合损失最小。
本地洋人说:天下没有免费的午餐。任何理智的人的第一个反应都是:这钱从哪里来?如何持续?NDP和绿党都有先天缺陷、根本无法在联邦执政,所以构不成有效威胁。但自由党如果这步走错,一定满盘皆输、不可收拾。我是乐得看保守党当政,但我不想看到加拿大出现大动荡。
 

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二读啥时候投票?
 

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本地洋人说:天下没有免费的午餐。任何理智的人的第一个反应都是:这钱从哪里来?如何持续?NDP和绿党都有先天缺陷、根本无法在联邦执政,所以构不成有效威胁。但自由党如果这步走错,一定满盘皆输、不可收拾。我是乐得看保守党当政,但我不想看到加拿大出现大动荡。
当今世界,民智也堪忧,保守党即使上台,采取减缩政策,肯定要动许多人的奶酪,如各种工会的。所以这就是为什么这种大放水有许多人不以为然。慢性自杀,子孙倒霉。
 

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当今世界,民智也堪忧,保守党即使上台,采取减缩政策,肯定要动许多人的奶酪,如各种工会的。所以这就是为什么这种大放水有许多人不以为然。慢性自杀,子孙倒霉。
其实只有一个字:懒!政府只是投其所好,最终毁掉这个国家。

说中国这不好、那不好,但中国从老百姓到政府都崇尚勤奋,是这里没法比的,所以中国发展的快,那是靠双手干出来的!
 

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其实只有一个字:懒!政府只是投其所好,最终毁掉这个国家。

说中国这不好、那不好,但中国从老百姓到政府都崇尚勤奋,是这里没法比的,所以中国发展的快,那是靠双手干出来的!
推这法案可能是为政府大瘦身做准备的
 

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A guide to what you can expect to get from the $1.9 trillion Senate stimulus​

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By Tami Luhby and Katie Lobosco, CNN

Updated 12:26 PM ET, Sat March 6, 2021
WASHINGTON, DC - MARCH 05: Sen. John Cornyn (R) (R-TX) talks with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) while walking to the U.S. Senate chamber for a vote March 05, 2021 in Washington, DC. The Senate continues to debate the latest COVID-19 relief bill.  (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images)





(CNN)The $1.9 trillion coronavirus package passed by the Senate contains a wide range of proposals to help Americans still struggling with the economic fallout of the pandemic.
The legislation differs in at least three major ways from the bill that passed the House of Representatives last week. The final Senate package will have to be approved again by the House before it can be sent to President Joe Biden for his signature.
READ: Senate Democrats' Covid relief bill

READ: Senate Democrats' Covid relief bill

Senators narrowed the eligibility for stimulus checks, trimmed the federal boost to unemployment benefits and removed a provision to increase the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. The Senate parliamentarian ruled that the wage hike violated the strict rules of reconciliation, which is the procedure Democratic leaders are using to approve the bill in the chamber without any Republican support.
The Senate bill contains many of the same measures aimed at assisting Americans in need that were in the legislation approved by the House and the package that Biden unveiled in January. In addition to another round of direct payments, it would provide more assistance for people who are unemployed, hungry or uninsured as well as for those at risk of losing their homes. It also would provide a bigger tax break for parents.


Biden and congressional Democrats argue that another massive bill is necessary to assist both people in need and the nation at large.
Here's how Americans could benefit from the Senate bill:

If your family makes less than $160,000 a year​

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The Senate bill would provide direct payments worth up to $1,400 per person to families earning less than $160,000 a year and individuals earning less than $80,000 a year.
The payments will phase out faster than they would have under the House version of the bill, which set the income caps at $200,000 for couples and $100,000 for individuals.
That means that not everyone who was eligible for a check earlier will receive one now -- but for those who do qualify, the new payments will top up the $600 checks approved in December, bringing recipients to a total of $2,000 apiece.
Individuals earning less than $75,000 would receive the full $1,400.
Married couples earning less than $150,000 a year would receive $2,800 -- and families with children would be eligible for an additional $1,400 per dependent.
The payments will be calculated based on either 2019 or 2020 income. Unlike the previous two rounds, adult dependents -- including college students -- would be eligible for the payments.

If you are unemployed​

The jobless would receive a $300 weekly federal boost to unemployment benefits and would get those payments through September 6 -- an arrangement hammered out after hours of negotiation on Friday. Also, two key pandemic jobless benefits programs would be extended for the same period.
The deal also calls for making the first $10,200 of unemployment payments tax-free for households with annual incomes under $150,000.
This is a significant difference from the House bill, which would provide a $400 weekly enhancement through August 29 and continue the two pandemic programs for the same period. The House bill does not contain the tax provision.
Freelancers, gig workers, independent contractors and certain people affected by the pandemic can receive benefits through the Pandemic Unemployment Assistance program, while the Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation program increases the duration of payments for those in the traditional state unemployment system.
Out-of-work Americans will start running out of benefits in the two programs in mid-March, when provisions in December's $900 billion relief package begin phasing out.
The $300 enhancement that was part of the December deal also ends in mid-March.

Who is out of luck?​

Workers being paid at or just above the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour will not see a boost in pay.
The Senate parliamentarian ruled in late February that increasing the hourly threshold to $15 does not meet a strict set of guidelines needed to move forward in the reconciliation process, which would allow Senate Democrats to pass the relief bill with a simple majority and no Republican votes.

If you are hungry​

Under both the Senate and House bills, food stamp recipients would see a 15% increase in benefits continue through September, instead of having it expire at the end of June.
And families whose children's schools are closed may be able to receive Pandemic-EBT benefits through the summer if their state opts to continue it. The program provides funds to replace free- and reduced-price meals that kids would have been given in school.

If you're behind on your rent or mortgage​

Both bills would send roughly $20 billion to state and local governments to help low-income households cover back rent, rent assistance and utility bills.
About $10 billion would be authorized to help struggling homeowners pay their mortgages, utilities and property taxes.
They would provide $5 billion to help states and localities assist those at risk of experiencing homelessness and an additional $5 billion for emergency housing vouchers for those who are homeless.

If you have children​

Most families with minor children could claim a larger child tax credit for 2021, under a provision contained in both the Senate and House bills. Low-income parents, in particular, would benefit.
Qualifying families could receive a child tax credit of $3,600 for each child under 6 and $3,000 for each one under age 18, up from the current credit of up to $2,000 per child under age 17.
The enhanced credit would also become fully refundable so that more low-income parents could take advantage of it. Plus, households could receive payments monthly, rather than a lump sum once a year, which would make it easier for them to cover their expenses.
Families paying for child care services could receive some additional aid. The bills would provide $39 billion to child care providers, some of which must be used to help families struggling to pay the cost.

If you're sick​

If you're sick, quarantining or caring for an ill loved one or a child whose school is closed, the bills may provide your employer an incentive to offer paid sick and family leave.
Unlike Biden's original proposal, the House and Senate bills would not require employers to offer the benefit. But they do continue to provide tax credits to employers who voluntarily choose to offer the benefit through October 1.
Last year, Congress guaranteed many workers two weeks' pay if they contracted Covid or were quarantining. It also provided an additional 10 weeks of paid family leave to those who were staying home with kids whose schools were closed. Those benefits expired in December.

If you need health insurance​

More Americans could qualify for heftier federal premium subsidies for Affordable Care Act policies for two years, under both the Senate and House versions of the plan.
Enrollees would pay no more than 8.5% of their income towards coverage, down from nearly 10% now. Also, those earning more than the current cap of 400% of the federal poverty level -- about $51,000 for an individual and $104,800 for a family of four in 2021 -- would become eligible for help.
Lower-income enrollees could have their premiums eliminated completely, and those collecting unemployment benefits could sign up for coverage with no premiums in 2021.
But the Senate legislation provides more generous assistance to those who lost their jobs but want to remain on their employer health insurance plans through COBRA. These laid-off workers would not pay any premiums through the end of September under the Senate version.
The House bill would require them to pay 15% of the premium, though that could still prove costly.

If you own a small business​

The bills would provide $15 billion to the Emergency Injury Disaster Loan program, which provides long-term, low-interest loans from the Small Business Administration. Severely impacted small businesses with fewer than 10 workers will be given priority for some of the money.
They also provide $25 billion for a new grant program specifically for bars and restaurants. Eligible businesses may receive up to $10 million and can use the money for a variety of expenses, including payroll, mortgage and rent, utilities and food and beverages.
The Paycheck Protection Program, which is currently taking applications for second-round loans, would get an additional $7 billion and the bills would make more non-profit organizations eligible.
Another $175 million would be used for outreach and promotion, creating a Community Navigator Program to help target eligible businesses.
This story has been updated to reflect passage in the Senate.
 

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推这法案可能是为政府大瘦身做准备的
如果这个UBI能取代现有的EI,老年金,GIS及各种福利,那相关机构就可以大量削减。钱发到个人手里,让每个人学会对自己负责,不是比乞求纳税人养活的官老爷施舍强?那些钱本来就是我们工作纳税的付出,我们有权决定怎么用,哪怕我要纳税交回去,或者捐回UBI Pool,总是明明白白的。
 

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如果这个UBI能取代现有的EI,老年金,GIS及各种福利,那相关机构就可以大量削减。钱发到个人手里,让每个人学会对自己负责,不是比乞求纳税人养活的官老爷施舍强?那些钱本来就是我们工作纳税的付出,我们有权决定怎么用,哪怕我要纳税交回去,或者捐回UBI Pool,总是明明白白的。
你交的估计比拿的多许多。不过你觉得政府会瘦身(自由党)么?没准发了以后还会向中产征税(别忘了UBI估计也算你收入还要缴税)。
 

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有房的都要支持自由党。
 

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有房的都要支持自由党。

无房的也要支持自由党, UBI一实施,变相平均主义了,收入差距会减少。。。。 :cool:
 
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