以色列疫情再起,约60%已经接种的人占新感染人中的60%,说明辉瑞疫苗防感染的效果是0

转的贴子自己要先看懂。看不懂贴子瞎扯没什么意思。这和红蓝绿没什么关系。
以色列政府说数据不足。说有效的是辉瑞自己。
确实,辉瑞以色列主任说:“包含来自delta取代英国变种成为常见变种的地方的数据”, 根本不是以色列数据。
 
确实,辉瑞以色列主任说:“包含来自delta取代英国变种成为常见变种的地方的数据”, 根本不是以色列数据。

数据不足只是场面上的说法。以色列实际上已经报了怀疑态度。以色列新总理公开讲辉瑞的数据不符合实际。
以色列不久前的一项研究,打过2针辉瑞的人,感染南非变异的机会是没有打任何疫苗的人的8 倍。打出负效果了。
 
mRNA疫苗,原则上可以对付变种的最好的选择的,如果能有70%的有效率,就很好了。

加拿大现状,变种一来,外加开放。打没打疫苗的,很快现原形。我估计不打疫苗的,将面临印度二峰的惨剧。

真正答案,不着急,看9月份真正开放以后吧。

稀土继续坚持别打。人的多样性,才是灾难面前人类延续的法宝。。坚持。
 

以色列数据出来了辉瑞对delta有效率90%。粉红们是一边失望一边窃喜,失望的是这个疫苗秒了中国的灭活,窃喜的是自己偷偷打了这个疫苗。
如果P和M这两款疫苗能够对delta等变种有效,这当然很好,加拿大现在基本都打这两种。可是不能只看辉瑞的自吹吧,

你这个link帖子下的跟帖:

Israel says the Delta variant is infecting vaccinated people, representing as many as 50% of new cases. But they're less severe.​

Marianne Guenot
Thu, June 24, 2021, 7:03 AM·3 min read

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As Israel faces a surge in cases driven by the Delta variant, its health officials suggested that as many as half of new cases were among people who'd been vaccinated.

Fully vaccinated people who've come into contact with the Delta variant will have to quarantine, Chezy Levy, the director-general of Israel's health ministry, said on Wednesday, Haaretz reported.

"Even though the numbers are low, the fact that this is reaching vaccinated people means ... that we are still checking how many vaccinated people have also been infected," Levy said, according to Haaretz.

Levy told the state broadcaster Kan Bet that about 40% to 50% of new cases appeared to be people who had been vaccinated, Haaretz reported. He did not appear to specify a time frame for the new cases.

 
看一眼你给的数据,

50%

就已经证明了辉瑞有效啊。看看以色列疫苗覆盖比率。

而且任何国家,最高危的人群都是更高覆盖。比如老人。50%是不错的数据了。
 
如果P和M这两款疫苗能够对delta等变种有效,这当然很好,加拿大现在基本都打这两种。可是不能只看辉瑞的自吹吧,

你这个link帖子下的跟帖:

Israel says the Delta variant is infecting vaccinated people, representing as many as 50% of new cases. But they're less severe.​

Marianne Guenot
Thu, June 24, 2021, 7:03 AM·3 min read

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As Israel faces a surge in cases driven by the Delta variant, its health officials suggested that as many as half of new cases were among people who'd been vaccinated.

Fully vaccinated people who've come into contact with the Delta variant will have to quarantine, Chezy Levy, the director-general of Israel's health ministry, said on Wednesday, Haaretz reported.

"Even though the numbers are low, the fact that this is reaching vaccinated people means ... that we are still checking how many vaccinated people have also been infected," Levy said, according to Haaretz.

Levy told the state broadcaster Kan Bet that about 40% to 50% of new cases appeared to be people who had been vaccinated, Haaretz reported. He did not appear to specify a time frame for the new cases.

数据是好东西,是唯一客观的,但是我一直主张不能片面理解数据。有几个问题,
1.以色列和英国前一阵确实比较好,但是最近反复,按照最近的研究,疫苗三个有以后抗体浓度降低很多,所以保护力是不是下降了?
2.不同国家,不同年纪人群,活动范围和接触的人不同,感染几率不同,有效率自然不同,片面只看数据,容易误导。
 
@贵圈
到底有没有打了疫苗仍然感染的人中重症和死亡率的数据?
 
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二向箔,打了两针灭活了,他自己说的。准备打第3针灭活呢,然后还指着数蝌蚪卖钱呢。
 
二向箔,打了两针灭活了,他自己说的。准备打第3针灭活呢,然后还指着数蝌蚪卖钱呢。



第三次不打针,用喷鼻的康熙诺。康熙诺正在求购中。
 
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