大部分加拿大人支持恢复死刑!节省纳税人的钱,对杀人犯起震慑作用

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引入新加坡的鞭刑,一鞭子下去,皮开肉绽。养好了再来下一鞭。
 
如果只是为了节省纳税人的钱, 那就都散了吧! 实际上并不省钱。原因有很多。
即使恢复死刑,数量也极少。为死刑犯服务的关押场所,管理流程,看管执行人员都是个例化设置,规模效应极差。
死刑庭审程序非常复杂。宣判之后,反复上诉可能会拖上十几年。司法成本极高。死刑最终产生的费用很可能大大超过终身监禁。
米国死刑犯平均要花掉司法系统3百万。曾有一个死刑犯,花掉了司法系统近一个亿,才最终被执行。
净瞎说。死刑本来就要极度谨慎,花掉一个亿。省下来的社会成本却经常是远高于一个亿。

这里的社会成本的节省。是深远的,和理性的。

完全禁止死刑。和零元购基本是一个思路。

零元购必然将市面破坏殆尽。将社会成本大幅提高。

原因是多方面的。是足以摧毁一个城市的未来的。

禁止死刑则是在另一个层面摧毁社会的伦理基础。
 
净瞎说。死刑本来就要极度谨慎,花掉一个亿。省下来的社会成本却经常是远高于一个亿。

这里的社会成本的节省。是深远的,和理性的。

完全禁止死刑。和零元购基本是一个思路。

零元购必然将市面破坏殆尽。将社会成本大幅提高。

原因是多方面的。是足以摧毁一个城市的未来的。

禁止死刑则是在另一个层面摧毁社会的伦理基础。

社会成本如何计算,你咋算出来远高于一个亿?你咋知道另一个办法的社会成本是多少。
典型的文科生扯淡·。一拍脑袋,啥都知道了?OOPS,可能拍了屁股
 
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哈哈,有没有社会成本这个概念,有,就好。很多时候,逻辑比数据更直接有效。

就是因为,理科生眼界过于狭窄。
 
社会成本(Social cost)是指按全社会各个生产部门汇总起来的总成本,也可以指某一种产品的社会平均成本。 社会成本一词是著名经济学家庇古在分析外部性侵害时首先提出来的。 社会成本是产品生产的私人成本和生产的外部性给社会带来的额外成本之和。 社会成本的分担与补偿的目的是促进社会公平。

Social cost in neoclassical economics is the sum of the private costs resulting from a transaction and the costs imposed on the consumers as a consequence of being exposed to the transaction for which they are not compensated or charged.[1] In other words, it is the sum of private and external costs. This might be applied to any number of economic problems: for example, social cost of carbon has been explored to better understand the costs of carbon emissions for proposed economic solutions such as a carbon tax.

Private costs refer to direct costs to the producer for producing the good or service. Social cost includes these private costs and the additional costs (or external costs) associated with the production of the good which are not accounted for by the free market. In short, when the consequences of an action cannot be taken by the initiator, we will have external costs in the society. We will have private costs when initiator can take responsibility for agent's action.[2]

Definitions[edit]​

Mathematically, social marginal cost is the sum of private marginal cost and the external costs.[3] For example, when selling a glass of lemonade at a lemonade stand, the private costs involved in this transaction are the costs of the lemons and the sugar and the water that are ingredients to the lemonade, the opportunity cost of the labor to combine them into lemonade, as well as any transaction costs, such as walking to the stand. An example of marginal damages associated with social costs of driving includes wear and tear, congestion, and the decreased quality of life due to drunks driving or impatience, and many people displaced from their homes and localities due to construction work. Another social cost of driving includes the pollution driving costs to other people in the society. For both private costs and external costs, the agents involved are assumed to be optimizing.[2]

Alternatives[edit]​

The alternative to the above neoclassical definition is provided by the heterodox economics theory of social costs by K. William Kapp. Social costs are here defined as the socialized portion of the total costs of production, i.e., the costs which businesses shift to society in their attempts to increase their profits.[4]

Economic theory[edit]​

According to the International Monetary Fund, "there are differences between private costs and the costs to the society as a whole".[5] In a situation where there are positive social costs, it means that the first of the Fundamental theorems of welfare economics failed in that relying merely on private markets for price and quantity lead to an inefficient outcome. Market failures or situations in which consumption, investment, and production decisions made by individuals or firms result in indirect costs i.e. have an effect on parties external to the transaction are one of the most common reasons for government intervention. In economics, these indirect costs which lead to inefficiencies in the market and result in a difference between the private costs and the social costs are called externalities. Thus, social costs are the costs pertaining to the transaction costs to the society as a whole. Generally, social costs are easier to think about in marginal terms i.e. marginal social cost. Marginal social cost refers to the total costs that the society pays for the production of an extra unit of the good or service in question. Mathematically, this can be represented by Marginal Social Cost (MSC) = Marginal Private Cost (MPC) + Marginal External Costs (MEC).

Social costs can be of two types—Negative Production Externality and Positive Production Externality. Negative Production Externality refers to a situation in which marginal damages are social costs to society that result in Marginal Social Cost being greater than the Marginal Private Cost i.e. MSC > MPC. Intuitively, this refers to a situation in which the production of the firm reduces the well-being of the people in the society who are not compensated for the same. For example, steel production results in a negative externality because of the marginal damages pertaining to pollution and negative environmental effects. Steelmaking results in indirect costs as a result of emission of pollutants, lower air quality, etc. For example, these indirect costs might include the health of a homeowner near the production unit and higher healthcare costs which have not been factored into the free market price and quantity. Given that the producer does not bear the burden of these costs, they are not passed down to the end user thus creating a situation where MSC > MPC.

An illustration in which the marginal social costs exceed marginal private costs by the marginal external costs (or marginal damages). This is known as a negative production externality.
This example can be better elucidated with a diagram. Profit-maximizing organizations in a free market will set output at QMarket where marginal private costs (MPC) is equal to marginal benefit (MB). Intuitively, this is the point on the diagram where the private supply curve (MPC) and consumer demand curve (MB) intersect i.e. where consumer demand meets firm supply. This results in a competitive market equilibrium price of pMarket.

In the presence of a negative production externality, the private marginal cost increases i.e. shifted upwards to the left by marginal damages to yield the marginal social curve. The star in the diagram, or the point where the new supply curve (inclusive of marginal damages to society) and the consumer demand intersect, represents the socially optimum quantity Qoptimum and price. At this social optimum, the price paid by the consumer is p*consumer and the price received by the producers is p*producer.

High positive social costs, in the form of marginal damages, lead to an over-production. In the diagram, there is overproduction at QMarket - Qoptimum with an associated deadweight loss of the shaded triangle. One of the public sector remedies for internalizing externalities is a corrective tax. According to neoclassical economist Arthur Pigou,[6] in order to correct this market failure (or externality) the government should levy a tax which equals to marginal damages per unit. This would effectively increase the firm's private marginal so that SMC = PMC.[3]

The prospect of government intervention in regards to correcting an externality has been hotly debated. Economists like Ronald Coase[7] contend that the market can internalize an externality and provide for an external outcome through bargaining among affected parties. For example, in the above-mentioned case, the homeowners could negotiate with the pollution firm and strike a deal in which they would pay the firm not to pollute or to charge the firm for pollution; the outcome pertaining to who pays is determined by bargaining power. According to Thomas Helbing at the International Monetary Fund, government intervention might be most optimal in situations where one party might have undue bargaining power compared to the other party.

In an alternative scenario, positive production externality occurs when the social costs of production are lower than the marginal private costs of production. For example, the social benefit of research and development not only applies to the profits made by the firm but also helps improve the health of society through better quality of life, lower healthcare costs, etc. In this case, the marginal social cost curve would shift downwards and there would be underproduction. In this case, government intervention would result in a Pigouvian subsidy in order to decrease the firm's private marginal cost so that MPC = SMC.
 
谁怕谁啊,玩概念。

社会成本指的是什么,大家心里有数。
 
左派的极度白痴,再纳粹事件上,再零元购事件上,已经完全证明了。
 
李常有们只能在梦里去寻找完美的世界。 哪怕他们再聪明,再正确,现实的世界不那样运转,又能奈何?

who cares
 
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对呀,左派只能再辩论失败的时候,带上我是理科生的帽子,然后说句whocare。

你真是丢了理科生的面子啊。

其实,不论理科生,文科生,都要注重逻辑和数据。

不能没有数据支持,就说死刑经济上太费钱,

逻辑上,证明死刑经济上是否合理,必须啊考虑社会众多方面的成本。哪能只看罪犯监禁成本?

拿出数据,证明你是理科生吧。

我只不过用了点文科生都会的逻辑,就可以驳倒狭隘的理科生。

所以判断问题,首先要逻辑,然后才能考虑数据。理科生也一样。
 
对了不要歧视文科生,他们至少还有逻辑。
 
国人传统的思维习惯写作习惯本来就完全不同,所以中国训练出来的文科 。呵呵
这样说吧,他们的逻辑能力就是两点之间一定给你连根曲线 :tx:
 
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死刑确定执行过程复杂耗钱无疑,终身监禁花费更多。
以一个重型犯关押40年,每年15万成本,就已经是600万了。

不过,省不省钱不会是恢复死刑与否考虑的因素。
 
原因不能是為了省錢,就算是也不能說出來。人道高于与一切。

原因可以說:
1. 人口結構發生巨大變化,出于对所有公民的人道主义和公平主义,司法懲戒要做相應調整来实时保障公民和社会安全。 然後提供實際數據為實證,包括歷年殺人,重傷的案例,以及其他危害公民和社會的犯罪案例数的比较,按年齡,種族,社區分。提供分析報告。

2. 司法部可以建立一個特別項目,全方位分析當前加拿大犯罪的原因,并提供其他辅助政策,从源头抑制,减少,防止犯罪的可能(对所有公民的人道主义)。

估计政府不会这么做,for whatever reasons.
 
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