渥太华city太混蛋了：Dead man's 8-year-old water bill comes back to haunt new property owner, with interest

[billwanhua]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/dead-man-s-8-year-old-water-bill-comes-back-to-haunt-new-property-owner-with-interest-1.7523928

我有同样经历，最近一个地税忘记付了一个月，给我来一个账单收38利息，离谱的是还加了$9的通知费。这都是LRT 大窟窿逼疯了

地税收得比加拿大大部分其他城市都高很多。

In this case, any non-responsiveness has a simple explanation. The previous property owner died six years ago. Their 2019 obituary is accessible online.

Haslett said it took him 30 seconds to find it, and his lawyer confirmed that the man was, in fact, deceased.

"How it took them a further six years to determine that the owner had passed away is quite shocking," he said.


He said he is now considering taking legal action.

"I will spend far more than this bill is worth, but it's the principle of the matter," Haslett said. "And I imagine there's many other people in the same situation that don't have the means or the resources to fight this."

 

[月下独酌]

???
这为什么骂city
that's what title insurance is for

我因为builder没交钱补了650，比这人多多了。city的人给我发信直接说你这个$找title insurance立马报销

标题党, 想骂街总有原因可以骂
你自己忘记付地税了，interest rate在那里写着多少年了

 

[billwanhua]

???
这为什么骂city
that's what title insurance is for

我因为builder没交钱补了650，比这人多多了。city的人给我发信直接说你这个$找title insurance立马报销

标题党, 想骂街总有原因可以骂
你自己忘记付地税了，interest rate在那里写着多少年了

"I will spend far more than this bill is worth, but it's the principle of the matter,"

city花了8年才骚扰人，这效率不骂不解民愤，这个人花了30妙就知道那个人死了。
不是花钱的问题，是原则问题，文章也说了保险可以付，如果这件事正常，国家大媒体CBC就是蛋痛

有时候，真得佩服老外执着，花大钱和精力找律师去跟city打$400多元的官司，看起来得不偿失，但是是原则问题，能够帮助社会进步

 

[真老虎]

以下是加拿大主要城市评估价值为100万加币的房屋所需缴纳的房产税（括号内为税率）：

• Greater Vancouver – $2,968 (0.29681 per cent)
• Abbotsford, B.C. – $3,959 (0.39590 per cent)
• Victoria – $4,742 (0.47416 per cent)
• Montreal – $4,977 (0.49770 per cent)
• Calgary – $6,486 (0.64861 per cent)
• Toronto – $7,153 (0.71529 per cent)
• Winnipeg – $9,100 (0.91000 per cent)
• St. John’s – $9,100 ((0.91000 per cent)
• Burlington – $9,181 (0.91815 per cent)
• Edmonton – $10,174 (1.01738 per cent)
• Lethbridge – $10,727 (1.07280 per cent)
• Halifax – $11,100 (1.11000 per cent)
• Ottawa – $11,956 (1.19564 per cent)
• Sudbury – $12,572 (1.25720 per cent)
• Waterloo – $12,752 (1.27250 per cent)
• Kitchener – $12,728 (1.27283 per cent)
• Guelph – $13,196 (1.31964 per cent)
• Saskatoon – $13,395 (1.33951 per cent)
• Regina – $13,643 (1.36434 per cent)
• Hamilton – $14,239 (1.42391 per cent)
• Niagara Region – $15,520 (1.55200 per cent)
• London – $15,731 (1.57313 per cent)
• Saint John – $15,800 (1.58000 per cent)
• Sault Ste. Marie – $17,891 (1.78914 per cent)

 

[billwanhua]

以下是加拿大主要城市评估价值为100万加币的房屋所需缴纳的房产税（括号内为税率）：

• Greater Vancouver – $2,968 (0.29681 per cent)
• Abbotsford, B.C. – $3,959 (0.39590 per cent)
• Victoria – $4,742 (0.47416 per cent)
• Montreal – $4,977 (0.49770 per cent)
• Calgary – $6,486 (0.64861 per cent)
• Toronto – $7,153 (0.71529 per cent)
• Winnipeg – $9,100 (0.91000 per cent)
• St. John’s – $9,100 ((0.91000 per cent)
• Burlington – $9,181 (0.91815 per cent)
• Edmonton – $10,174 (1.01738 per cent)
• Lethbridge – $10,727 (1.07280 per cent)
• Halifax – $11,100 (1.11000 per cent)
• Ottawa – $11,956 (1.19564 per cent)
• Sudbury – $12,572 (1.25720 per cent)
• Waterloo – $12,752 (1.27250 per cent)
• Kitchener – $12,728 (1.27283 per cent)
• Guelph – $13,196 (1.31964 per cent)
• Saskatoon – $13,395 (1.33951 per cent)
• Regina – $13,643 (1.36434 per cent)
• Hamilton – $14,239 (1.42391 per cent)
• Niagara Region – $15,520 (1.55200 per cent)
• London – $15,731 (1.57313 per cent)
• Saint John – $15,800 (1.58000 per cent)
• Sault Ste. Marie – $17,891 (1.78914 per cent)

城市越大税率越低？还是跟房价有关

 

[ASSISTANT]

8年的水费不交一般不会拖这么久。会转到property tax 下。后者不交一般法拍。8年没交可能还有故事

 

[月下独酌]

city花了8年才骚扰人，这效率不骂不解民愤，这个人花了30妙就知道那个人死了。
不是花钱的问题，是原则问题，文章也说了保险可以付，如果这件事正常，国家大媒体CBC就是蛋痛

有时候，真得佩服老外执着，花大钱和精力找律师去跟city打$400多元的官司，看起来得不偿失，但是是原则问题，能够帮助社会进步

有没有可能是政府工
效率低下
不好好干活？

 

[真老虎]

地税由三个部分组成： Municipal tax, education tax and other tax. (市政府税， 教育税 和区税）
影响地税金额得因数是物业评估价值和物业所在地区当年设定得 municipal tax rate, education tax, other tax rates.

物业评估价值是由政府部门负责。而税率是由房产所在地的市政府根据当年政府财政情况以及房子类型不同制定的。在大多地区，平均地税最高的地区是约克区的国王市 (king city) , 税率较低的城市是多伦多市区， 万锦市， 米尔顿， 列治文山或者旺市。

 

[zeus190]

城市越大税率越低？还是跟房价有关

那几个税率低的气候也温和。扫雪和修路很花钱的。

 

[tt8966]

以下是加拿大主要城市评估价值为100万加币的房屋所需缴纳的房产税（括号内为税率）：

• Greater Vancouver – $2,968 (0.29681 per cent)
• Abbotsford, B.C. – $3,959 (0.39590 per cent)
• Victoria – $4,742 (0.47416 per cent)
• Montreal – $4,977 (0.49770 per cent)
• Calgary – $6,486 (0.64861 per cent)
• Toronto – $7,153 (0.71529 per cent)
• Winnipeg – $9,100 (0.91000 per cent)
• St. John’s – $9,100 ((0.91000 per cent)
• Burlington – $9,181 (0.91815 per cent)
• Edmonton – $10,174 (1.01738 per cent)
• Lethbridge – $10,727 (1.07280 per cent)
• Halifax – $11,100 (1.11000 per cent)
• Ottawa – $11,956 (1.19564 per cent)
• Sudbury – $12,572 (1.25720 per cent)
• Waterloo – $12,752 (1.27250 per cent)
• Kitchener – $12,728 (1.27283 per cent)
• Guelph – $13,196 (1.31964 per cent)
• Saskatoon – $13,395 (1.33951 per cent)
• Regina – $13,643 (1.36434 per cent)
• Hamilton – $14,239 (1.42391 per cent)
• Niagara Region – $15,520 (1.55200 per cent)
• London – $15,731 (1.57313 per cent)
• Saint John – $15,800 (1.58000 per cent)
• Sault Ste. Marie – $17,891 (1.78914 per cent)

温哥华的不要太相信，100万以下基本都是condo 或strata，condo/strata fee 也不低，就是地税再加condo/strata fee

 

[billwanhua]

那几个税率低的气候也温和。扫雪和修路很花钱的。

蒙特利尔？Winnipeg？Calgary？

 

[ltyyqjg]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/dead-man-s-8-year-old-water-bill-comes-back-to-haunt-new-property-owner-with-interest-1.7523928

我有同样经历，最近一个地税忘记付了一个月，给我来一个账单收38利息，离谱的是还加了$9的通知费。这都是LRT 大窟窿逼疯了

地税收得比加拿大大部分其他城市都高很多。

In this case, any non-responsiveness has a simple explanation. The previous property owner died six years ago. Their 2019 obituary is accessible online.

Haslett said it took him 30 seconds to find it, and his lawyer confirmed that the man was, in fact, deceased.

"How it took them a further six years to determine that the owner had passed away is quite shocking," he said.


He said he is now considering taking legal action.

"I will spend far more than this bill is worth, but it's the principle of the matter," Haslett said. "And I imagine there's many other people in the same situation that don't have the means or the resources to fight this."

这事俺觉得得分几个方面来说。

第一，楼主为这件事骂市政府骂得对，该骂。

第二，楼主骂市府的原因和对象不对。出现这事的原因不是LRT大窟窿，而是市府的政府工太官僚，太无能。俺觉得这些政府工不是故意去收这400多块钱来填补LRT的大窟窿，他们可能连做这脏事的“觉悟”都没有。

第三，楼主因为自己晚交地税被收利息和手续费，就借这件事骂市府，骂得不合适。晚交税是自己的疏忽，吸取教训下次按时交就行了。而且没几个钱。没必要为此生气骂市府，不应该，也不值得。

第四，渥太华地税确实高。这一来是因为天气，这不怪市府；二来是因为市府开销和浪费太大，这可以怪市府。

 

[zeus190]

蒙特利尔？Winnipeg？Calgary？

Winnipeg 也九千多了。Calgary省里有钱，而且气候其实比渥村温和。魁北克更不用说了，全国每年补贴20亿扶持。

 

[ltyyqjg]

以下是加拿大主要城市评估价值为100万加币的房屋所需缴纳的房产税（括号内为税率）：

• Greater Vancouver – $2,968 (0.29681 per cent)
• Abbotsford, B.C. – $3,959 (0.39590 per cent)
• Victoria – $4,742 (0.47416 per cent)
• Montreal – $4,977 (0.49770 per cent)
• Calgary – $6,486 (0.64861 per cent)
• Toronto – $7,153 (0.71529 per cent)
• Winnipeg – $9,100 (0.91000 per cent)
• St. John’s – $9,100 ((0.91000 per cent)
• Burlington – $9,181 (0.91815 per cent)
• Edmonton – $10,174 (1.01738 per cent)
• Lethbridge – $10,727 (1.07280 per cent)
• Halifax – $11,100 (1.11000 per cent)
• Ottawa – $11,956 (1.19564 per cent)
• Sudbury – $12,572 (1.25720 per cent)
• Waterloo – $12,752 (1.27250 per cent)
• Kitchener – $12,728 (1.27283 per cent)
• Guelph – $13,196 (1.31964 per cent)
• Saskatoon – $13,395 (1.33951 per cent)
• Regina – $13,643 (1.36434 per cent)
• Hamilton – $14,239 (1.42391 per cent)
• Niagara Region – $15,520 (1.55200 per cent)
• London – $15,731 (1.57313 per cent)
• Saint John – $15,800 (1.58000 per cent)
• Sault Ste. Marie – $17,891 (1.78914 per cent)

俺觉得用这张表来比较各地的房地产税高低很不合理。俺觉得更合理的做法是计算出各城市中位价格（用平均价格也行）的房产所交的税，然后拿来进行城市间的比较。这样的比较才能更客观地反映出各城市居民的房地产税的税务负担的高低。

 

[ccc]

觉得这个水费问题，律师失职。