[转贴] 愤怒-行动: 魁北克大学要取消所有英文项目管理和MBA的Programs!!!

我不懂有何需要愤怒的?或许是某种狭隘心理在作怪把
 
Re: 安省没有这些 programs,这些专业加拿大只有一,两所大学有

赫赫

语言是我的弱项, 我英语都还没有学好呢, 学什么法语, 所以我是不会去 Quebec

我的意思是说, 人家连路牌都不写英文的地方, 你去了就要有思想准备.

有多少在 Quebec 读完然后就离开的,人家觉得这样不划算,不打算跟你玩下去, 你也不用又哭又闹的, 回到安省读不就行了吗?


最初由 coconut 发布

我们也在学法语,可是我们再努力,我们的法语不可能在1-2年之内达到master的水平
孤星夜雨,或许你可以,但天才毕竟是极少数

并且,UQO原来开辟这些用英语授课的专业快10年了,当时肯定是经过详细考虑的长期战略,现在说取消马上就取消,3个星期作出final decision,太欠考虑了.故其中应有些原因我们不得而知
 
都把心放在肚子里吧.

就加拿大这办事效率, 下个猴年给决定吧
 
Re: Re: 安省没有这些 programs,这些专业加拿大只有一,两所大学有

最初由 孤星夜雨 发布
赫赫

语言是我的弱项, 我英语都还没有学好呢, 学什么法语, 所以我是不会去 Quebec

我的意思是说, 人家连路牌都不写英文的地方, 你去了就要有思想准备.

有多少在 Quebec 读完然后就离开的,人家觉得这样不划算,不打算跟你玩下去, 你也不用又哭又闹的, 回到安省读不就行了吗?


well,I am not going to argue with you any more, it is just a time consuming, now we have a lot of important things waiting us to do, in fact,I will graduate very soon,it may not affect me, but everybody should fight for their rights if they get an unfair treatment.
 
最初由 itflyer 发布
大家好
刚刚得到消息,魁北克大学GATINEAU(HULL)分校董事会将要停止全部的英语program(包括MBA和PMP-项目管理硕士学位)。(在校的学生可以继续完成他的剩余课程,但不知道学校会如何安排这些学生)这个意见将要在3周后变成最后的决定。这对我们,无论是在校生还是准备申请到这个学校读书的都是一个坏消息。

周六(24号)下午5:00在braul校区自助餐厅。将召开会议并组建一个委员会。商讨并开始行动如何争取我们的权利,阻止学校取消英语的program.

欢迎校内外各界人士参加。

我们需要大家团结起来,争取我们的权利!!!

校外的热心人士,特别是准备申请魁北克大学英语MBA和PMP(项目管理硕士学位)的同学,请将您的联系方式尽快通过以下方式告知:

mingjieca@yahoo.com.cn
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对魁大副校长提议取消所有英语专业事件的几点看法:
1)从副校长的信来看(无论是英语还是法语),觉得此事是一件大事件,他们也深怕刺激移民和英裔族群,所以他在信中连“取消”二字都不敢提。他的意图很明显,试图通过所谓的“民主”的形式来达到目的;
2)从网上的“报告”附件来看,校董内部意见也不统一,而且语言之争由来已久;特别是本市GATINEAU的特殊的地理位置,她与OTTAWA市共同组成了加拿大首都地区,是加拿大双语比例最高的地区,而且GATINEAU还有15%以上的英裔魁北克人;
3)在加拿大的人权自由宪章中明文强调,加拿大是一个自由平等的国度,坚决反对任何形式的歧视行为,尤其是种族歧视。所以在加拿大一般不会出现明目张胆的种族,语言和宗教等歧视的言行,但不乏以隐蔽或间接的形式出现;
4)虽然此事件不是单独针对中国人的,但事实上中国同胞是最大的受害者;
5)建议同胞先积极联合其他英语族群写封公开信,并要求直接与DUBE副校长对话,看结果再商讨下一步对策。我觉得媒体和主流社会是很关注这一事件的,因为它触及到加拿大多元文化社会的整体构架以及少数族裔的平等权宜。有些同胞切莫认为此事对己无直接关联,“事不关己,高高挂起”甚至有的网友还幸灾乐祸看热闹。我不认为此事是一个单独的事件,如果今天我们保持沉默(这正是他们求之不得的),明天不知还会发生什么。黑人在北美经济地位不会比华人强,但政治地位远比我们强得多,这就说明,合法权益仅靠一纸法律条文是远远不够的,还得靠我们坚持不懈地去争取!
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最初由 chineseman 发布
魁大的经费好像是从政府来的。也就是纳税人的钱。GATINEAU也有许多只会讲英语不会讲法语的人(大概有将近20%,这个数字不准确,仅供参考)。但这里只有这个大学(魁省这边),可他们也有权利受教育,因为他们同样交了税。在提供个数字,魁大有在校生6000多人,其中只有不到150人是英语program的。

取消的原因,校董事会说是提供英语的服务花钱太多了(实际情况是没有什么英语的服务)

魁大不只有英语的MBA,还有CMA, PM(PROJECT MANAGEMENT),目前,魁大是唯一提供英语PM MASTER DEGREE的加拿大大学。如果取消了,加拿大就没有英语的PM MASTER可以读了。

不好意思,不是想反驳Caohaoying, 只是澄清一下事实。谢谢Caohaoying 的关注

Their funding may come form the government. but this is not the
reason they have to provide English program. Most of the universities
here only have English program but they too receive funding from
government. If you were right, we should ask UT to provide Chinese
program. Since 30% of the citizens in Toronto speak Chinese.
I think provide English service only to 150 people is not cost
efficient, this is their reason to cancel the programs.
 
最初由 gdntfrank 发布


Their funding may come form the government. but this is not the
reason they have to provide English program. Most of the universities
here only have English program but they too receive funding from
government. If you were right, we should ask UT to provide Chinese
program. Since 30% of the citizens in Toronto speak Chinese.
I think provide English service only to 150 people is not cost
efficient, this is their reason to cancel the programs.

我同意这个观点。另外一个可能是本地市场对魁大的英语PM Master需求不高,毕竟学生还是太少,硬撑着提供英语服务恐怕已经让魁大入不敷出。市场决定一切。现在国内的大学也是这样的。以后中国人如果想读的话,可以学他们的法语program,不至于完全断了国人的路。
 
对魁大副校长提议取消所有英语专业事件的几点看法:
1)从副校长的信来看(无论是英语还是法语),觉得此事是一件大事件,他们也深怕刺激移民和英裔族群,所以他在信中连“取消”二字都不敢提。他的意图很明显,试图通过所谓的“民主”的形式来达到目的;
2)从网上的“报告”附件来看,校董内部意见也不统一,而且语言之争由来已久;特别是本市GATINEAU的特殊的地理位置,她与OTTAWA市共同组成了加拿大首都地区,是加拿大双语比例最高的地区,而且GATINEAU还有15%以上的英裔魁北克人;
3)在加拿大的人权自由宪章中明文强调,加拿大是一个自由平等的国度,坚决反对任何形式的歧视行为,尤其是种族歧视。所以在加拿大一般不会出现明目张胆的种族,语言和宗教等歧视的言行,但不乏以隐蔽或间接的形式出现;
4)虽然此事件不是单独针对中国人的,但事实上中国同胞是最大的受害者;
5)建议同胞先积极联合其他英语族群写封公开信,并要求直接与DUBE副校长对话,看结果再商讨下一步对策。我觉得媒体和主流社会是很关注这一事件的,因为它触及到加拿大多元文化社会的整体构架以及少数族裔的平等权宜。有些同胞切莫认为此事对己无直接关联,“事不关己,高高挂起”甚至有的网友还幸灾乐祸看热闹。我不认为此事是一个单独的事件,如果今天我们保持沉默(这正是他们求之不得的),明天不知还会发生什么。黑人在北美经济地位不会比华人强,但政治地位远比我们强得多,这就说明,合法权益仅靠一纸法律条文是远远不够的,还得靠我们坚持不懈地去争取!
以上建议不够成熟,望以此抛砖引玉,大家商讨。
 
最初由 gdntfrank 发布


...If you were right, we should ask UT to provide Chinese
program. Since 30% of the citizens in Toronto speak Chinese.

不能同意这个类比,毕竟英语、法语是加拿大官方语言,而中文不是。
 
===Hurry up! all the chinese student in UQO!==Soliciting for signature!!!!!!
===Hurry up!==Soliciting for signature!!!!!!
Hi, everyone, a student who has drafted a letter to the rector is soliciting for signatures. Everyone who would like add his/her name to the list please contact him by Dinerliner@aol.com

================================

Could you print the letter and show it to all
students in your PM classes? Ask them to contact me to
get their names added to the letter. There are 200
students in the English-language Masters in PM course,
and I am unable to reach most of them. They are all
affected by the proposal.
Thank you for your kind support.

Hugh Scheuerman, PMP
 
The letter is as follows:

"Letter to Francis Whyte, Rector of UQO (University President) on the proposal titled
'La formation en langues autres que le français à l'Université du Québec en Outaouais'

«La mission universitaire ne peut ni ne doit se contenir dans des limites politiques, géographiques ou culturelles, et il importe que les campus universitaires soient des lieux habités par des personnes provenant de divers horizons.» le vice-recteur d'UQO Denis Dubé dans Le Devoir, 11 janvier 2003

(Translation. The university's mission cannot be and must not be contained inside political, geographical or cultural limits, and it is important that university campuses be places occupied by people coming from diverse horizons.)
(The above quote from the newspaper Le Devoir is from the UQO vice-rector Denis Dubé, the author of this proposal to eliminate English language programs. It is included as an important preamble, reminding him of his quote that the university is part of a larger community. The entire document will be translated into French as well, for presentation to the administrative council.)

We the undersigned, students from the MBA en services financières and the Masters en Gestion des Projets, believe it is a mistake for the Conseil d'Administration à l'UQO to vote for acceptance of the proposal to cancel Masters degree programs in English.
We the undersigned come from diverse backgrounds: either Canadian citizens who live and work in the region, on both sides of the Ottawa River, or foreign students seeking a good education and cultural experience, or landed immigrants working here, studying and raising families. We come from positions of responsibility in the federal government, the banking industry, civic government, foreign governments, the high technology sector, the airline industry, and project management. We are current and future decision-makers for a wide range of organizations.
We have chosen UQO because of its reputation, high level of instruction, and proximity within our community. We have come here to add some tools to our toolbox, and we go out into the larger community when we leave.
We acknowledge that we are attending a francophone university. The council must decide the scope of the mandate of a francophone university, especially one located in the community of Gatineau, adjacent to the city of Ottawa, within the province of Québec, and a vital education provider to employees of the federal government, the banking and financial services sector, the high-technology sector, and other enterprises mentioned above.
The diverse horizons, mentioned in the above quote by the university's vice-rector, seem not to include those who choose part or all of their studies in English. Consider all of the countries represented by your student body, and recognize that some of your students wish either a partial or complete degree program in a language other than French. You risk losing them, their financial contribution to the university, their cultural contribution, and their academic contribution. The list is long of other universities that maintain a national identity, yet manage to provide degree programs and courses in another language.
We also challenge the assertion that services for students in English programs can not be made adequate by reminding the Council of the recent satisfaction studies at UQO showing most (upward of 80%) of those studying in English language programs are satisfied with the quality of administrative services to their program.


If a university must serve the community in which it dwells, then UQO must remain a vital part of its larger community. We challenge the administrative council to define better the community in which you would see this university serving, teaching, and mentoring. A university does not function alone but as part of a larger community. The role of the university is to contribute knowledge, preparation and scholarship to its community.
Which communities? UQO is part of the civic community, the city and region around itself. It is also part of the academic community, contributing to an increase in knowledge and scholarship. It contributes much to the cultural community, to the region on both sides of the river. UQO has a role in the high tech community, and the scientific community as well. The project management community has been well served by UQO in the past. This university is an education provider of note to the federal and civic governments. There are strong ties with the financial services community and the accounting community. Some of those ties may weaken if you vote for the proposal.
The world comes here to study, drawing students from the community, from the region, the province, this country, and other nations. By recoiling, and withdrawing from a larger community into a smaller one and closing the doors to a small but significant constituency, UQO will be the poorer. By closing a door to an identifiable group you are deciding to close ranks, to pull back, and face backwards, away from a part of the world around you. Your community will likely shrink and ties to organizations will weaken, in spite of your efforts to attract replacement students from other communities abroad.
Since many students depend on word of mouth to choose a university for short and long term education, your approval of the proposal faces the genuine risk of having part of the community turn away from UQO as a viable education option. Since we are against your proposal, what shall we say to the organizations we represent and to future students who ask about the quality of education at UQO?

Signed, this 26 day of January, 2004,
 
最初由 huaxue 发布
我不懂有何需要愤怒的?或许是某种狭隘心理在作怪把

我觉得此人好像毫无民族(民主)意识,而且对加拿大社会文化缺乏基本的常识,真是令人哭笑不得。
 
最初由 WTY 发布


我觉得此人好像毫无民族(民主)意识,而且对加拿大社会文化缺乏基本的常识,真是令人哭笑不得。

民族(民主)意识不能乱用。人家cancel个program无可厚非,这是人家的权利,如果我是校长,情况若真的是英语programs让学校难办的话,影响整体的话,我也会考虑取消。好像这也不存在歧视那个民族的问题。况且,如果一个大学因为这个问题就取消自己的program,也太幼稚了吧!

中国学生当然有权利建议学校继续保留,或者和学校磋商妥善安置现有学生的学习方案。但是动不动就“愤怒”,让人真的是没有办法同情你。
 
pls be noticed that it is not just the problem of Chinese students

all students taught in English are angry now and they are taking actions too.Also, as far as I know, almost all of the professors who had taught us oppose this issue, as one of our professors said: how could you be a good business man without good English nowadays?
最初由 lambkin 发布


民族(民主)意识不能乱用。人家cancel个program无可厚非,这是人家的权利,如果我是校长,情况若真的是英语programs让学校难办的话,影响整体的话,我也会考虑取消。好像这也不存在歧视那个民族的问题。况且,如果一个大学因为这个问题就取消自己的program,也太幼稚了吧!

中国学生当然有权利建议学校继续保留,或者和学校磋商妥善安置现有学生的学习方案。但是动不动就“愤怒”,让人真的是没有办法同情你。

I perceive that it is a waste of time arguing here, anybody who supports this issue,just take actions,don't waste your time here
 
Following is the list of the UQO professors' e-mails that I could get through our university's website. I have e-mail all of them to ask for signature support from them.
I think we should get support from the professors, too.
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kamel.adi@uqo.ca, alain.albert@uqo.ca, diane.bigras@uqo.ca, manfred.bischoff@uqo.ca, michel.blanchette@uqo.ca, wojtek.bock@uqo.ca, stephane.bouchard@uqo.ca, lucien.boucher@uqo.ca, jacques.boucher@uqo.ca, paul.boudreault@uqo.ca, said.boukendour@uqo.ca, albert.boulet@uqo.ca, monique.bourget@uqo.ca, denis.bourque@uqo.ca, jean-claude.boyer@uqo.ca, louise.briand@uqo.ca, johanne.april@uqo.ca, yao.assogba@uqo.ca, paul-g.aubry@uqo.ca, sebastien-h.azondekon@uqo.ca, nadia.baaziz@uqo.ca, andre.beaucage@uqo.ca, michel.beaudoin@uqo.ca, alain.beaufils@uqo.ca, claude.beauregard@uqo.ca, guy.bellemare@uqo.ca, christiane.benoit@uqo.ca, ilham.benyahia@uqo.ca, réjeanne.bergeron@uqo.ca, ginette.bernier@uqo.ca, denis.brochu@uqo.ca, af.beland@uqo.ca, alain.cadieux@uqo.ca, real.calder@uqo.ca, luc.chaput@uqo.ca, benoit.charbonneau@uqo.ca, alain.charbonneau@uqo.ca, pierre.charron@uqo.ca, marc.charron@uqo.ca, jacques.chevrier@uqo.ca, guy.chiasson@uqo.ca, jacques.clement@uqo.ca, pierre.collerette@uqo.ca, jean-marie.comeau@uqo.ca, louis-georges.cournoyer@uqo.ca, sylvain.coutu@uqo.ca, jurek.czyzowicz@uqo.ca, denyse.cote@uqo.ca, francine.demontigny@uqo.ca, marek.zaremba@uqo.ca, jean-louis.tripp@uqo.ca, jean-francois.tremblay@uqo.ca, daniel.tremblay@uqo.ca, lucille.theoret@uqo.ca, nancy.thede@uqo.ca, genevieve.tardif@uqo.ca, larbi.talbi@uqo.ca, monique.seguin@uqo.ca, marcelle.seguin@uqo.ca, amnon-jacob.suissa@uqo.ca, sid.soussi@uqo.ca, francine.sinclair@uqo.ca, larisa.shavinina@uqo.ca, yamina.sami@uqo.ca, lorraine.savoie@uqo.ca, juan.salazar@uqo.ca, chantal.saint-pierre@uqo.ca, jan.saint-macary@uqo.ca, martin.robitaille@uqo.ca, patrice.renaud@uqo.ca, francine.rancourt@uqo.ca, jean.quirion@uqo.ca, guilheme.perodeau@uqo.ca, ilie.popescu@uqo.ca, gilles.poirier@uqo.ca, joanne.pharand@uqo.ca, andrzej.pelc@uqo.ca, gaetane.payeur@uqo.ca, renaud.paquet@uqo.ca, jean-paul.paquin@uqo.ca, tertulien.ndjountche@uqo.ca, elmustapha.najem@uqo.ca, pierre-paul.morin@uqo.ca, andre.moreau@uqo.ca, rokia.missaoui@uqo.ca, jean-marc.meunier@uqo.ca, louise.mercier@uqo.ca, jocelyn.mercier@uqo.ca, jocelyn.mercier@uqo.ca, christiane.melancon@uqo.ca, martine.mayrand-leclerc@uqo.ca, francine.major@uqo.ca, nicole.mailloux@uqo.ca, rejean.lefebvre@uqo.ca, jean-pierre.levy-mangin@uqo.ca, madeleine.lussier@uqo.ca, luigi.logrippo@uqo.ca, emile.leroux@uqo.ca, jacques-andre.lequin@uqo.ca, sylvain.lemay@uqo.ca, paul.legris@uqo.ca, paul.leducbrowne@uqo.ca, martine.leclerc@uqo.ca, line.leblanc@uqo.ca, charles.leblanc@uqo.ca, suzanne.lavigueur@uqo.ca, normand.laplante@uqo.ca, judith.lapierre@uqo.ca, eric.langlois@uqo.ca, murielle.laberge@uqo.ca, catherine.lanaris@uqo.ca, annick.lambert@uqo.ca, ahmed.lakhsasi@uqo.ca, lizanne.lafontaine@uqo.ca, luc.lacroix@uqo.ca, monique.labrecque@uqo.ca, reynald.labelle@uqo.ca, andre-e.labelle@uqo.ca, tamasmichel.koplyay@uqo.ca, mohammed.khalid@uqo.ca, bernadette.kassi@uqo.ca, bernadette.kassi@uqo.ca, pierre.jocelyn@uqo.ca, michal.iglewski@uqo.ca, manon.hebert@uqo.ca, denis.harrisson@uqo.ca, isabelle.green-demers@uqo.ca, eric.gosselin@uqo.ca, jean.gervais@uqo.ca, jacques-bernard.gauthier@uqo.ca, serge.gagnon@uqo.ca, lucie.frechette@uqo.ca, toussaint.fortin@uqo.ca, helene.forget@uqo.ca, marie.fontaine@uqo.ca, marco.fiola@uqo.ca, michel.filion@uqo.ca, louis.favreau@uqo.ca, georges.farid@uqo.ca, bruno.emond@uqo.ca, karim.elguemhioui@uqo.ca, tinko.eftimov@uqo.ca, sylvain.durocher@uqo.ca, robert.dupre@uqo.ca, andre.durivage@uqo.ca, bernard.dumouchel@uqo.ca, louise.dumas@uqo.ca, diane.dubeau@uqo.ca, andre.dolbec@uqo.ca, jacques.dionne@uqo.ca, annie.devault@uqo.ca, jean-claude.desruisseaux@uqo.ca, jean-pierre.deslauriers@uqo.ca, therese.deslierres@uqo.ca, renaud.decamprieu@uqo.ca, ana-maria.davila-gomez@uqo.ca, joumana.dargham@uqo.ca, ginette.daigneault@uqo.ca, lucie.cote@uqo.ca, denyse.cote@uqo.ca, jurek.czyzowicz@uqo.ca

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