Nortel是完蛋了吗?

This has nothing to do with taking risks. You can't possibly make good decisions based on false information. Now the only question right now is whether Nortel deliberately provided false information (which then would consititute criminal activity) or provided false information due to incompetency. Whichever case it's going to take Nortel a very long time to recover damaged reputation and shareholder confidence.

A class-action lawsuit is expected if Nortel deliberately provided false information. This is truly a sad day for Ottawa.


最初由 土鳖虫 发布


能解释一下我对我的股票运作和对NT的理解跟别人卖出买进有什么必要的联系吗?假
如我给出了错误的引导(我相信我的贴子都有事实为依据,至少是NT的财务报表为依
据),那么你一定要相信我吗?假如你不认为我的观点是正确的,我欢迎你反驳啊,
只要你说的有理就是了。

另外,我觉得我应该告知你一点儿股市运作的常识:投资任何股票都是有风险的,
你的投资决定决不应该把后果寄托在别人的评论身上,否则,你现在在某个股票上
丢了钱你就责备别人,那将来你又赚了会来,你是否还要给别人报酬?
 
Nortel revealed Wednesday that the RCMP have also made informal inquiries.






UPDATE: Nortel fires CEO Dunn 'with cause', delays Q1 report
By Leo Valiquette, Ottawa Business Journal Staff
Wed, Apr 28, 2004 8:00 AM EST


Frank Dunn at Nortel's AGM in April 2003.
Nortel Networks fired CEO Frank Dunn and its two top financial executives "with cause" Wednesday morning and postponed the release of its first-quarter results, sending its stock price into a tailspin.

Board member and Gulf War veteran William Owens has been named to replace the 49-year-old Dunn as CEO.

CFO Doug Beatty and controller Michael Gollogly, who were suspended last month, have also been handed their walking papers.

William Kerr has been named the new chief financial officer and MaryAnne Pahapill as controller. They were appointed to these positions on an interim basis on March 15 after Beatty and Gollogly were suspended with pay.

The news hammered Nortel's stock as soon as the markets opened Thursday morning. At 11:30 a.m., the stock was down by 26.1 per cent on the TSX, or $1.98, to $5.60. Its low of the morning was $5.50.

In a statement, Nortel said four other individuals "who were senior line of business finance executives of Nortel Networks during the periods under review have been placed on paid leave of absence pending further progress of the independent review."

During an early morning conference call with analysts and the media, Nortel chairman Lynton "Red" Wilson said, "the decision to terminate Frank Dunn was particularly difficult. But it is the right decision for the company."

At this point, with its audits still ongoing and the full extent of any restatements unknown, the company remains tight-lipped as to exactly why these executives have been shown the door.

Wilson said only that the shuffle related to "accountability for financial reporting."

In a statement earlier Wednesday morning, Wilson said the "the actions announced today are about accountability for our financial reporting and are in the best interests of the company and all of its stakeholders, including our investors, customers and employees."

The surprising shuffle relates to the company's ongoing efforts to bring its books for the past three years in order.

The ongoing audits have prompted formal investigations by both the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the Ontario Securities Commission. Nortel revealed Wednesday that the RCMP have also made informal inquiries.

A number of U.S. law firms have also lined up, eager to pursue class action suits on behalf of shareholders who bought in after the company's upbeat year-end earnings report in January.

"We will do this (review) with full openness and transparency. We will cooperate with the authorities in every way possible. We will put this behind us...this company is fundamentally strong," Owens said during the conference call.

RESTATEMENT ROLLER COASTER

Last fall Nortel announced a series of restatements that ended up benefiting the bottom line. The company said it had overstated the costs of its massive downsizing and restructuring of the past three years. The market believed the restatements had largely wrapped up in December. Nortel stock once again became a market darling when the company announced in January its first full-year profit since 1997.

Nortel beat Street estimates with a fourth-quarter net profit of $499 million, or 11 cents a share, on revenues of $2.83 billion thanks largely to the strength of its wireless business (all figures in U.S. dollars). The consensus among analysts polled by Reuters Research was for a net profit of two cents per share on revenues of $2.44 billion.

For the year, Nortel reported a profit of $732 million, or 17 cents a diluted share, compared to a net loss of $3.27 billion, or 85 cents a share, in 2002.

At the time, Dunn called 2003 a "tremendous year." Analysts used adjectives such as "fantastic" and a "blowout" quarter.

The romance died quickly in March with word of a continuing auditing process that was expected to yield additional restatements.

Nortel did not specify if those restatements were expected to be good or bad news. The suspensions of CFO Doug Beatty and controller Michael Gollogly left the market fearing the latter.

On Thursday, Nortel offered some details of what it expects from the audit.

The company said it believes it will now have to restate results for the last fiscal year and "restate the financial results reported in each of its quarterly periods of 2003 and for earlier periods including 2002 and 2001."

At this point, the company said it expects that it will have to reduce previously announced net earnings for 2003 by 50 per cent and report a net loss for the first half of 2003 rather than the net profit previously announced.

However, the company said it sees no material impact to prior period revenues and no material impact to its cash balance as reported for the year ended on Dec. 31, 2003.

Nortel did say that it believes it finished the first quarter on March 31 with a cash balance of about US$3.6 billion, down from $4 billion at Dec. 31, 2003.

Nortel attributed the decline to payments made in the first quarter under its employee incentive compensation plans as well as cash outlays for restructuring and a real estate transaction.

Nortel added that it remains in compliance with its debt securities holders. However, if any of its creditors were to demand an acceleration of its debt securities, Nortel would have to obtain some fresh source of financing to prevent being in default.
 
最初由 smartrabbit 发布


我哪里说你‘误导’了? 您太敏感了吧。赚钱的人很多,赚了钱是人家的运气。我知道有很多股市高手,如ROLIA论坛的WINS,人家一般在抛空某股票的时候,不会再给这股票唱高调。

您在高抛后,还在给NT拥有者鼓劲,有点"兄弟们给我顶住,我先撤了休息了"的味道。确实和一般人逻辑不同。

难道我抛了NT股之后就不能发表我仍然看好NT的看法了?
我哪里说“兄弟们给我顶住,我先撤了休息了”这类的话了?你这不是在误导或错
误解释我的看法吗?至于你对我的话有错误理解,也不能歪曲我的看法吧。我是对
NT看好,至于你或其他人看不看好NT,还是那句话,我发表我的看法,这跟别人或
你说的“兄弟们”实在是八竿子也打不着啊,总不能强加于人吧?



看看,又来给我上课了。华尔街分析家有多少人的文章值得信赖?当年WCOM的泡沫不也是他们吹起来的吗?你说NT 3G好,给个LINK吧,或者把NT从去年开始的3G合同金额给大家摆一摆,看看是否是前途似锦?

我哪里给你上课了?你也太敏感了吧。我仍然是发表我的看法呀。我说的是现在只是
五月不到,你有何根据说NT 3G没戏?即使是过去没戏也不能说明今后没戏不是?你
能给个link 看看说明NT全年3G没戏吗?
 
最初由 土鳖虫 发布


我哪里给你上课了?你也太敏感了吧。我仍然是发表我的看法呀。我说的是现在只是
五月不到,你有何根据说NT 3G没戏?即使是过去没戏也不能说明今后没戏不是?你
能给个link 看看说明NT全年3G没戏吗?

MR.土
There is nothing personal for the dispute between you and me. You did do a great job at selling on top. I don't think you intend to mislead people. Just have my opinion here that people should have its judgement no matter most people say yes or no.

Plus, if I sold any share, I will believe and stick to my reason of selling, not stating its good future.

As for the future of 3G, 802.16 will be the 'killer' for 3G.

http://www.80216news.com/

There are lots of smarter person who can get more comparation between 3G and 802.16 or 802.XX by searching with google.

China Ministry of Information has postponed implementation of 3G in China. So 小灵通 is back to Shanghai this year which Shanghai Telecom used to abandom 小灵通.
 
最初由 smartrabbit 发布


As for the future of 3G, 802.16 will be the 'killer' for 3G.

http://www.80216news.com/

There are lots of smarter person who can get more comparation between 3G and 802.16 or 802.XX by searching with google.

China Ministry of Information has postponed implementation of 3G in China. So 小灵通 is back to Shanghai this year which Shanghai Telecom used to abandom 小灵通.

说802.16代替3G为时太早。这两种产品用在不同市场。802.16距离太短,还有一个是功耗问题,和漫游问题。
 
虽然恨NT的人很多,但真正说理的就很少。许多都恨不到点子上。最显然的一点是:
NT目前的情况是财务帐目问题,这和NT的技术领域和市场占有率无关。可是有些人
就硬要把这两者联系起来。SEC 或OSC的查帐难道会查出NT的3G市场占有率也是假的?
再过两天,假如NT的查帐结束了,NT的股价又上去了,难道NT的3G市场又回来了?
这样的笑话居然还有人信,真让人觉得哭笑不得。
 
Read my post again you will find:

I am not questioning the market share of NT 3G.I am questioning:
1) Accountability of NT accouting and management.
2) Is the future of 3G so bright as what some people think? (While NT invest heavily in 3G.)

If this acounting issue can not be ended smoothly, it may affect Nortel market for sure.

最初由 土鳖虫 发布
虽然恨NT的人很多,但真正说理的就很少。许多都恨不到点子上。最显然的一点是:
NT目前的情况是财务帐目问题,这和NT的技术领域和市场占有率无关。可是有些人
就硬要把这两者联系起来。SEC 或OSC的查帐难道会查出NT的3G市场占有率也是假的?
再过两天,假如NT的查帐结束了,NT的股价又上去了,难道NT的3G市场又回来了?
这样的笑话居然还有人信,真让人觉得哭笑不得。
 
最初由 smartrabbit 发布
Read my post again you will find:

I am not questioning the market share of NT 3G.I am questioning:
1) Accountability of NT accouting and management.
2) Is the future of 3G so bright as what some people think? (While NT invest heavily in 3G.)

If this acounting issue can not be ended smoothly, it may affect Nortel market for sure.


you still cannot explain why the NT accouting probe is related to the NT's 3G market share and isn't so bright like your assetion. If this is just your imagination, then it is waste of time to discuss it here.
 
You miss my points here.

Good luck for your taking lowest bottom and win another BMW. -)



最初由 土鳖虫 发布


you still cannot explain why the NT accouting probe is related to the NT's 3G market share and isn't so bright like your assetion. If this is just your imagination, then it is waste of time to discuss it here.
 
最初由 northernwolf 发布


说802.16代替3G为时太早。这两种产品用在不同市场。802.16距离太短,还有一个是功耗问题,和漫游问题。

就算是802。16和WIMAX技术,那位老兄不知道的是:NT在这一方面也在领先地位。MIT
和NT的合作在这一领域是第一个获得美国国防部认证的,而且也是被华尔街看好的。
 
最初由 土鳖虫 发布
虽然恨NT的人很多,但真正说理的就很少。许多都恨不到点子上。最显然的一点是:
NT目前的情况是财务帐目问题,这和NT的技术领域和市场占有率无关。可是有些人
就硬要把这两者联系起来。SEC 或OSC的查帐难道会查出NT的3G市场占有率也是假的?
再过两天,假如NT的查帐结束了,NT的股价又上去了,难道NT的3G市场又回来了?
这样的笑话居然还有人信,真让人觉得哭笑不得。

那你就更让人哭笑不得了. 你买NT的股票是为了挣钱还是为了买3G市场占有率? 不管如何, NT的股票就是因为财务问题掉了这么多. 这是不用证明的事实了. 5块美金跌到4块, 难道是NT的市场没做好?
 
最初由 deepbluesee 发布


那你就更让人哭笑不得了. 你买NT的股票是为了挣钱还是为了买3G市场占有率? 不管如何, NT的股票就是因为财务问题掉了这么多. 这是不用证明的事实了. 5块美金跌到4块, 难道是NT的市场没做好?

很简单的道理你没看懂:世上没有不掉价的股票,否则就不叫股票了。NT还掉到过一
元以下呢,可有人却挣了很多啊。因为在股市上挣钱可不仅仅是股价升的时候挣啊,
掉的时候也一样能挣啊。我说的那些让人哭笑不得的是那些自以为是分析掉价的原
因的人,现在你应该能看懂了吧?
 
最初由 土鳖虫 发布


很简单的道理你没看懂:世上没有不掉价的股票,否则就不叫股票了。NT还掉到过一
元以下呢,可有人却挣了很多啊。因为在股市上挣钱可不仅仅是股价升的时候挣啊,
掉的时候也一样能挣啊。我说的那些让人哭笑不得的是那些自以为是分析掉价的原
因的人,现在你应该能看懂了吧?

哈, 你是真傻还是假傻呀? 你做股票总知道高抛底吸的道理呀? 从5块到4块是LONG挣钱还是SHORT挣钱? 你不也抛了NT吗? 你5块钱买回来了?
 
最初由 deepbluesee 发布


哈, 你是真傻还是假傻呀? 你做股票总知道高抛底吸的道理呀? 从5块到4块是LONG挣钱还是SHORT挣钱? 你不也抛了NT吗? 你5块钱买回来了?

总算是有点开窍,承认股票掉价也能挣钱不就给你自己的问题答案了。请问你怎么样
“高抛低吸”啊?没有这“低”,你怎么吸啊?再说了,我跟别人讨论的是这掉价
原因,你没看懂就一头撞进来个“高抛低吸”,我买不买回来跟这讨论有关系吗?
 
你从4月初以来一直在鼓吹NT, 事实证明你错了, 但有人指出的时候别急, 有点气量行不. 有财务问题的股票确实不是马上介入的好选择. 我在NT掉到10块多是就出来避风险, 到出财务问题时一直劝我的周围朋友不要买NT, 有的也要出来再说. 想NT这种股大盘股跟这个行业, 很难会连续暴涨, 但跌的时候你看到了. 任何一股都有人赚钱, 别用这来压人.
 
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