精华 [讨论] 家庭暴力

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最初由 渐渐 发布
Did I say that?

 

[oread]

You have not addressed the issue.
Do you have a problem with abused women seeking law enforcement help?

最初由 Wanderer 发布


If a woman has decided to divorce and wants to put her ex-husband in law trouble, she can seek any available helps. It is like a war.

If not, she has to think about what kind of help she should seek, what kind of results she and her husband could accept.

To all couples: change your words to avoid argument first.

 

[shusheng]

最初由 Wanderer 发布


If a woman has decided to divorce and wants to put her ex-husband in law trouble, she can seek any available helps. It is like a war.

If not, she has to think about what kind of help she should seek, what kind of results she and her husband could accept.

不同意。

当时在主坛上就有这样的言论，好象老婆要想把老公怎么样，一个911就行了。借此告戒女人，报警前要三思。

我就不懂，为什么老公这么怕老婆报警？所谓心底无私天地宽，老公到底有什么怕警察知道的？怕女人报警，本身就说明老公知道自已做得不对。做老公的，难道就没有胆子坦荡的说，即使警察来了我也没有什么可以隐瞒的？

 

[oread]

哼哼, I wasted my time on someone like you!
I over-estimated once again the size of some men's brain le, my fault.

最初由 Wanderer 发布
可是谁结婚是为了挨打得？ 听话的不挨打.

 

[有去无回]

最初由 Wanderer 发布
可是谁结婚是为了挨打得？ 听话的不挨打.



:flaming: 这是一种非常无耻的逻辑:flaming:


对不起，俺骂人了，可是，俺不准备收回:smokin:

实在对不起，俺本来是回帖子的，按错了，把原贴给改了:blowzy:

 

[oread]

This is from a so called "educated" person. I'm truly speechless...looks like we have a long long way to go.

Is anyone else as frustrated as I am now??? :flaming:

最初由 Wanderer 发布
可是谁结婚是为了挨打得？ 听话的不挨打.

 

[有去无回]

最初由 渐渐 发布
This is from a so called "educated" person. I'm truly speechless...looks like we have a long long way to go.

Is anyone else as frustrated as I am now??? :flaming:

I was too frustrated to click the right button

 

[Wanderer]

最初由 丫丫 发布

实在对不起，俺本来是回帖子的，按错了，把原贴给改了:blowzy:

It is very hard to have a 实在对不起 from you.

 

[Wanderer]

最初由 shusheng 发布

不同意。

当时在主坛上就有这样的言论，好象老婆要想把老公怎么样，一个911就行了。借此告戒女人，报警前要三思。

我就不懂，为什么老公这么怕老婆报警？所谓心底无私天地宽，老公到底有什么怕警察知道的？怕女人报警，本身就说明老公知道自已做得不对。做老公的，难道就没有胆子坦荡的说，即使警察来了我也没有什么可以隐瞒的？

The home is a safe harbour for a couple (not Pearl Harbor). There is no war.

Maybe there are some friendly fights in the harbour. They could work together and try to solve it. They could seek help from friends, and they could change themselves to avoid argument. They may only need time.

If the time does not change their situation and he/she does not change, then let them destory the harbour. If it is too hurt for any one of them, let them go to a real law war.

 

[kool]

最初由 渐渐 发布
您总是纠缠细节，这是上海人的通病吗？
我把统计都贴上来了，您应该看完了再下结论。家庭暴力当然影响所有人，但是80%以上的家庭暴力的受害者是妇女，大家都明白，您也就就没必要反过来掉过去地为男同胞申诉了。OK, 就到这里吧。

您说应该与人为善，要有爱心，家庭才能和睦，为什么？
还有“一个离婚家庭本身就是个失败的人生“，是吗？

我说你这人， 本身就是带着攻击和侮辱性的说话方式， 这里根本和哪里的人没什么关系， 是什么样的“病”<<更是武断。。 我从头至尾就是在指责你对待事物的态度， 你是把你的世界观作为一个衡量标准， 你是个不客观的人，

不说了！

 

[shusheng]

最初由 Wanderer 发布


The home is a safe harbour for a couple (not Pearl Harbor). There is no war.

Maybe there are some friendly fights in the harbour. They could work together and try to solve it. They could seek help from friends, and they could change themselves to avoid argument. They may only need time.

If the time does not change their situation and he/she does not change, then let them destory the harbour. If it is too hurt for any one of them, let them go to a real law war.

不懂你想说什么？

你是想说法律不能区分"argument"，"friendly fights"和"家庭暴力"吗？如果只是简单的"argument", "friendly fights"，那即使有人拔了911也没有关系不是吗？还是你的argument, friendly fights标准是违犯加国法律的？

另外，即使两人无法改变，也没有必要go to a real law war，有别的法律允许的解决办法。况且，go to a real law ware，也不应是“家庭暴力”的原因或借口。

 

[Wanderer]

最初由 chef 发布
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自从发生过多次报警，因警方没有采取措施，事后女方被杀事件后，警方对家庭暴力案件已相当重视了。只要有人报警，警察都会立即赶到现场，察看女方有无被殴打的痕迹。即使女方改变主意，警察也会像对待刑事犯一样，给男人戴上手铐，带回警察局录口供，拍照，打指模，绝非夫妻床头打架床尾和解那样简单了事。
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警察在做他们必须做的工作。据说：如果这种报警多次发生在同一个家庭，警察将不得不送其中一方上法庭，但法庭也不能判他们必须离婚，只能把他们分开。比如说，一方不能接近另一方几十码（夫妻不可团聚），或让其中一方蹲大狱。如果不对，请指正。

最初由 chef 发布
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另外，警方要看女方的伤势来决定丈夫的命运，那些情节较轻的候审丈夫，每周都要到中心接受一次心理辅导，每次1至2小时，总共16次。张先生介绍说，仅华人家庭服务中心一年就要接到几百个家庭暴力案子，其中60％的
夫妇事后仍生活在一起，有些丈夫经过教育后改了打人的毛病，有些则变本加厉打得更凶。
...

如果情节较轻，先离婚是不是更好一些。这样就不用麻烦警察和社会工作者了。

事实上，受害人应该在家庭暴力未变本加厉以前就选择离婚。比如说，如果在处理家庭矛盾时其中一方有了暴力取向，他们是不是应该考虑分居或离婚？

这也是为什么一直不能理解“淑女”的原因。我觉得，她误解了“ 911电话” 的功能和“居委会”的作用。

 

[Wanderer]

最初由 shusheng 发布


不懂你想说什么？

你是想说法律不能区分"argument"，"friendly fights"和"家庭暴力"吗？如果只是简单的"argument", "friendly fights"，那即使有人拔了911也没有关系不是吗？还是你的argument, friendly fights标准是违犯加国法律的？

另外，即使两人无法改变，也没有必要go to a real law war，有别的法律允许的解决办法。况且，go to a real law ware，也不应是“家庭暴力”的原因或借口。

婚姻是夫妻双方自愿结合在一起的。如果这种自愿结合要求警察多次保护，这个婚姻的确有问题。他们为什么不分开而要多次打911？...

我也不懂了。 也许911只管打，没有关系的，夫妻还是夫妻。

 

[shusheng]

Hm... Let's try it again.

First you said:

最初由 Wanderer 发布

If a woman has decided to divorce and wants to put her ex-husband in law trouble, she can seek any available helps. It is like a war.

If not, she has to think about what kind of help she should seek, what kind of results she and her husband could accept.

Sounds like you are oppose to women seeking law enforcement help, adviced them "think about what kind of results she could accept".

Then you said:

最初由 Wanderer 发布

The home is a safe harbour for a couple (not Pearl Harbor). There is no war.

Maybe there are some friendly fights in the harbour. They could work together and try to solve it. They could seek help from friends, and they could change themselves to avoid argument. They may only need time.

If the time does not change their situation and he/she does not change, then let them destory the harbour. If it is too hurt for any one of them, let them go to a real law war.

Doesn't seems have any point in here. Except u saying "let them go to a real law war"?

And then you said:

最初由 Wanderer 发布

婚姻是夫妻双方自愿结合在一起的。如果这种自愿结合要求警察多次保护，这个婚姻的确有问题。他们为什么不分开而要多次打911？...

So I am totally lost here. We are talking about "family violence" here, what exactly is your post about? How this could be solved? Victims should not call police but choose to leave?

Now to your question.

最初由 Wanderer 发布

我也不懂了。 也许911只管打，没有关系的，夫妻还是夫妻。

I guess you are commenting on

最初由 shusheng 发布

只是简单的"argument", "friendly fights"，那即使有人拔了911也没有关系不是吗？

What I meant to say is, if it's a small conflict, and somebody (man or woman) made a mistake to call 911, this would not result to somebody throw in Jail is it? This is follow the same idea of
my previous post.

最初由 shusheng 发布

我就不懂，为什么老公这么怕老婆报警？所谓心底无私天地宽，老公到底有什么怕警察知道的？怕女人报警，本身就说明老公知道自已做得不对。做老公的，难道就没有胆子坦荡的说，即使警察来了我也没有什么可以隐瞒的？

 

[Wanderer]

最初由 shusheng 发布

So I am totally lost here. We are talking about "family violence" here, what exactly is your post about? How this could be solved? Victims should not call police but choose to leave?

“家庭暴力”发生在家庭内部。如果“家庭”不存在了，这个“暴力”也就变成其他类型的暴力了，没必要在这展开了说。这就是为什么我要提离婚。