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"南街之行让我们大开眼界、精神振奋,我们一定要学习南街精神,结合实际
,务实工作,付诸行动。"

i like that.
 
最初由 做好人干好事 发布
"南街之行让我们大开眼界、精神振奋,我们一定要学习南街精神,结合实际
,务实工作,付诸行动。"

i like that.

这里大部分都是抱怨和指责或表达失望绝望,如果你对如何解决中国的问题感兴趣,我可以给你看一些有思想和建设性的文章。
 
最初由 yoyofans 发布


这里大部分都是抱怨和指责或表达失望绝望,如果你对如何解决中国的问题感兴趣,我可以给你看一些有思想和建设性的文章。
如果你对如何解决中国的问题感兴趣,我可以给你看一些有思想和建设性的文章。
sounds good but also sounds too big to me
anyway i wanna have a look
 
Let me start by asking you this: How do you know? Forget democracy, forget freedom of speech, those are luxuries that hungry and homeless people simply cannot afford to be bothered with, and nobody is even talking about that here. The fact that you cried out 西方“民主”shows that you have no idea what's really wrong with those poor and desperate people in the flash.

Do you think private donation is the way to solve poverty?
Do you think having a compassinate heart can combat hunger?
Do you not think a social reform is urgently needed given the current situtation?

What these people need are social programs like 12-years mandatory education, universal health care system, employment insurance, pension plan. How? you asked, well, let's start by making a commitment first.

Do you think that those communist bureaucrats who are taking bribes, and who are sending their kids abroad, and who are taking advantage of the loopholes in the system actually CARE about the hungry and poor? What's in it for them to initiate the reform? Compassion? 良心?


最初由 光辉岁月 发布

制度改革可以改变中国现在的问题?HOW???? 个人认为,西方现在的资本主义制度,绝对不适合中国这个16亿人口的农业大国。改革,一要找到一种适合中国国情的制度,二要渐进的。如果现在中国共产党退位,立即全国大选,走西方“民主”的道路,中国马上就会分崩离析,绝对的死路一条。到那时候,我们看到的照片比这个悲惨十倍。
 
最初由 msft 发布


我本人捐助了,我打的是那些以为自己拿出些钱来就没事了的人耳光.正如我说的,我希望看到制度上的改善以期能治本.
还是不知道你和那些只捐助的人有什麽区别?你立志为中国改革献身了?你正在做?


你提出"资本主义制度",说明你对这问题理解不足.我们讨论的与所有制没有关系.
那,你们说的制度改革是什麽?

退一步讲, 你难道还认为中国现在是"社会主义"吗?
当然不是,但是我们也不是资本主义。

资本主义制度完全可以做到公平;而社会主义制度不能代表一定公平.
你问问布什,他的那个制度能不能做到完全公平。


你如果认为现在是公平的,那你就考虑一下我上次举的这个例子:.
我什麽时候说我认为公平了?


解决问题,有标,本之别,民众捐款,为标;政府真正努力,方为本也.
对啊,我们应该帮助现在的政府


什么时候,中国的百姓能够真正决定官员的命运?
文化大革命!
 
最初由 渐渐 发布

Do you think private donation is the way to solve poverty? Do you think having a compassinate heart can combat hunger?
当然不。但是我欣赏这种做法。而不像你,用嘲讽和讥笑的口气评论那些有真正爱心的人们。


Do you not think a social reform is urgently needed given the current situtation?
我认为改革是必须的,但是一场立即的,从根本制度上的改革只会让中国更坏。我认为应该循序渐进地,比如先从司法上改革,让执法透明化,然后扩大到政府等部门。。。


Do you think that those communist bureaucrats who are taking bribes, and who are sending their kids abroad, and who are taking advantage of the loopholes in the system actually CARE about the hungry and poor? What's in it for them to initiate the reform? Compassion? 良心?
你应该知道美国在20,30年代的腐败和动荡。是什麽让他们改革了?我认为:1。生产力进步,社会物质极大丰富。2。社会主义运动 3。一些有权阶级的良心
 
最初由 做好人干好事 发布

u think that is good?
just one question to u
do u know the 2001 or 2002 number of russian?
actually u may go to www.hjclub.com
there r lots of good article no matter left or right

天! 你给我一个网站看!
没法看,不看!还不如去失眠夜罐水收获大
 
最初由 光辉岁月 发布

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最初由 msft 发布


我本人捐助了,我打的是那些以为自己拿出些钱来就没事了的人耳光.正如我说的,我希望看到制度上的改善以期能治本.
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还是不知道你和那些只捐助的人有什麽区别?你立志为中国改革献身了?你正在做?----------同意.要是这么信不过官办的,你可以自己办一个,没人不让你做


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你提出"资本主义制度",说明你对这问题理解不足.我们讨论的与所有制没有关系.
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那,你们说的制度改革是什麽?


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退一步讲, 你难道还认为中国现在是"社会主义"吗?
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当然不是,但是我们也不是资本主义。-------- 这不正说明了我们的政治制度正在改进吗?

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资本主义制度完全可以做到公平;而社会主义制度不能代表一定公平.
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你问问布什,他的那个制度能不能做到完全公平。---------- 或者台湾的?俄罗斯的?哪个是公平的?

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你如果认为现在是公平的,那你就考虑一下我上次举的这个例子:.
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我什麽时候说我认为公平了?


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解决问题,有标,本之别,民众捐款,为标;政府真正努力,方为本也.
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对啊,我们应该帮助现在的政府-------同意.有问题就要解决,
有不对可以改进,三句两句就抨击意识形态,恨不得中国再来一场血雨腥风吗?




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什么时候,中国的百姓能够真正决定官员的命运?
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文化大革命!
----------msft肯定是那时没玩过瘾
 
别吵了,管不了,就管它呢?

你们的亲朋好友在国内也基本是中国的贫富分化的受益者,你们自己都出来了,也不打算再回去了,即使回去,也会从中国的贫富分化里得益。对于这个坛子上的人,中国的贫富分化越大,大家受益越多(心理上和物质上的),这坛子上的很多人早就想明白这事了。

所以我支持将中国的贫富进行到底。
 
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什么时候,中国的百姓能够真正决定官员的命运?
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文化大革命!

if u know anything about the history
u have to say msft is right.
 
I guess my definiton of "有真正爱心的人们" somewhat differs from yours, but if you believe simply posting a flash shows real compassion, OK, so be it. :)

I disagree on your 2nd point: I think a social reform is badly needed, and it is needed NOW. If the government doesn't initiate the reform process, perhaps those poor and hungry will. Let's hope not, but social instability leads to revolution, history is our witness. 循序渐进? The CCP has been in in power for more than 50 years, it has been more than 20 years since the 1978 reform, how 循序渐进 do you still want? If they can't manage a country themselves, perhaps they should give someone else a chance. Throughout history, Chinese always pray for a good leader, a 明主 to save them, never had it occurred that depending on one person, one party IS the problem.

On your 3rd point, do you really know what pushed the Americans out of the 1930 recession? WWII. Enough said?

I understand your position, I also understand why you are so reluctant to make any change, and why you would want to keep the status quo: because you guys, yes you of all people, are the beneficiaries of such corrupt and unstable system...and you sit here and lecture me on who the "有真正爱心的人们" are.


最初由 光辉岁月 发布

当然不。但是我欣赏这种做法。而不像你,用嘲讽和讥笑的口气评论那些有真正爱心的人们。


我认为改革是必须的,但是一场立即的,从根本制度上的改革只会让中国更坏。我认为应该循序渐进地,比如先从司法上改革,让执法透明化,然后扩大到政府等部门。。。


你应该知道美国在20,30年代的腐败和动荡。是什麽让他们改革了?我认为:1。生产力进步,社会物质极大丰富。2。社会主义运动 3。一些有权阶级的良心
 
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