说穿了,就是加拿大政府在没有进行任何先期投资的情况下,从中国获得了大量高素质的正当年的劳动力 -- 技术移民,然后以多数人的利益为借口,拒绝了这些人的感情要求 -- 父母团聚,而这些父母们正是那些高素质劳动力的培养者。

我们知道,加拿大政府对纳税人的税款的浪费是非常惊人的,加拿大政府为了堵这个亏空,没有进行其他改革,而是从众多柿子里挑了个最软也是最小的柿子来捏。
 
最初由 challenger 发布
不对,按照丛林法则和多数理论,把拿社会救济的移民们轰出加拿大,符合多数人的利益。之所以没人"No one is disputing that",是因为人们知道道德底线。如果按照丛林法则和多数理论,我们完全可以从现在开始dispute that. 至少我这个从来加拿大第一个月开始就交纳高额所得税的移民,可以提出这个想法,但我不会这样做,甚至不会在心里有这样的想法,因为我很清楚什么是道德底线。

底线 is status in Canada, citizenship or PR. Once a person has it, he/she will have un-disputable rights to all sorts of social program.

That's why We must not give those status out to non-contributor. And age is the most important factors in deciding who is a contributor, and who is not.
 
Re: How can you get your job? such naive son!

最初由 datamine 发布


what a shit opinion ?!

We are Chinese, We are big family,
"anyone who have some action against the family, he should be killed."

就你们这些败类小人能代表中国人?
 
最初由 lifeisfun 发布


Well, you also live on your tax dollar too, like enjoying the medicare and other services. If the government let more aged people and refugees in, then you may have to pay more tax, which even you can use to buy a Lexus.

So what's your logic here, you think you have already paid more tax and you should get your parents over? Then maybe the better way for this government to do on this issue is to get rid of the medicare, and reduce your tax. By doing that, you can get all your family over and live on your own (no medicare, no subsidy housing) and I am telling you that I absolutely support you on that.

The whole issue is this country has so generous social program, which cost a lot of tax payer's money and couldn't sustain itself for its own people. Now more and more aged people coming as immigrants would entitle the same benefits as Canadian, which will make things even worse.

Maybe the better solution (but I don't see it's a feasible one in Canada) is
to dismantle the social program (like in USA) and let everyone live on their own (pay your own housing and medicare). Then you have all the rights to get your family here as no one would care you and you care for yourself.

Yes. I just hate the "generous social program". US gov. does a much better job than CAN gov. This "generous social program" has been abused so badly but the suckers in CAN gov. just continue their socialist daydream. OK! If the suckers do not want to accept my parents, I do not want to support others. Yes, your are right! The better solution is to let every one take care themselves and their family.
One of my friend just tell me that he will move to USA CA (he just quit his job) just because he dose not like CAN social program and high tax. I will follow him for sure if my parents can not come down.

By the way, I never enjoyed the medicare system. It the biggest scam I ever seen in this world.
 
A reminder: VISA is a PRIVILEGE granted by a government to a foreign citizen, BUT not a right.
 
敌人来了, 我们不抵抗. 敌人指着我们的尸体说, 看, 这就是奴隶.
 
最初由 疯狂小马甲 发布
政府给这个500名额一定有他的理由, 不管是否是真的, 有否背后的歧视, 为何不能先去找到这名额的分配方法, 并反驳你们觉得不对的地方, 觉得有歧视的东西呢. 政府的每个条理是经过辩论通过的,是摆道理摆数据出来的 不是某个人说了算的, 不是游行跟反游行得来的, 也不是在这里骂人得出来的. 你们看过政府的辩论也是很激烈的, 为何不能找到亲华议员去打听清楚再说呢. 还有人居然发QQH来骂我, 我好怕吗? 干真的话只怕你又没种了.

你口口声声说政府, 我觉得你象一个劳改犯
 
建议斑竹封此ID.层次太低,不讲卫生,丢人现眼。
 
那你怎么不从非洲认养一个干爸加干妈,把他们移民到加拿大来.

大家也景仰一下你的高风亮节,无私的全人类的博爱,呵呵

最初由 疯狂小马甲 发布


那我觉得在中国的老人比在非洲的要饿死的人要好吧? 他们更需要人道援助吧?

不游行下次就要限制父母探亲了? 理由呢? 你是用自己的钱吧? 你别告诉我不游行就要杀中国人了. 要用事实说话.
 
你的想法不错啊

我倒是想不要政府那个medi care,不要他的牛奶金,不要它的CPP, 只要它同意我不给它交税, 我用我交税的钱自己去买医疗保险,我自己去买退休保险,我自己计划我的一生,同样,父母来了我自己给他们养老,这样应该很fair吧.
可问题是政府不答应啊. 政府就拿那些狗屁一点点福利来做为它征收重税的理由,养了一堆拿着高薪和铁饭碗,还三天两头要闹罢工的猪!就好比一个地主明明事靠长工们养活的,总是说我过年过节给你们吃几块大肉,我已经很慷慨了.
别说是父母移民,就连配偶移民,你在加拿大境内办办试试看,没个一两年办不下来.如果说父母来了占用了你的资源,尽快给配偶解决移民身份总是你天经地义的吧,为什么要拖那么久?如果我交税的时候晚了一天,就会按天算你的利息,政府做个屁事动不动就是几年,给人家消耗的成本pay过利息吗?
为什么这个狗政府拿了纳税人的钱胡花八花,乱充好人做冤大头,这里收点难民那里收点难民,还自称是什么人道,这种鸟政府总有一天要破产,总有一天现在的tax payer会发现他们当初交上的钱已经给这些猪挥霍光了,而他们当初的诺言已经象一个臭P一样烟消云散了,因为这个政府根本就是一个背信弃义的garbage.


最初由 lifeisfun 发布


Well, you also live on your tax dollar too, like enjoying the medicare and other services. If the government let more aged people and refugees in, then you may have to pay more tax, which even you can use to buy a Lexus.

So what's your logic here, you think you have already paid more tax and you should get your parents over? Then maybe the better way for this government to do on this issue is to get rid of the medicare, and reduce your tax. By doing that, you can get all your family over and live on your own (no medicare, no subsidy housing) and I am telling you that I absolutely support you on that.

The whole issue is this country has so generous social program, which cost a lot of tax payer's money and couldn't sustain itself for its own people. Now more and more aged people coming as immigrants would entitle the same benefits as Canadian, which will make things even worse.

Maybe the better solution (but I don't see it's a feasible one in Canada) is
to dismantle the social program (like in USA) and let everyone live on their own (pay your own housing and medicare). Then you have all the rights to get your family here as no one would care you and you care for yourself.
 
最初由 wpolar_bearx 发布


Yes. I just hate the "generous social program". US gov. does a much better job than CAN gov. This "generous social program" has been abused so badly but the suckers in CAN gov. just continue their socialist daydream. OK! If the suckers do not want to accept my parents, I do not want to support others. Yes, your are right! The better solution is to let every one take care themselves and their family.
One of my friend just tell me that he will move to USA CA (he just quit his job) just because he dose not like CAN social program and high tax. I will follow him for sure if my parents can not come down.

By the way, I never enjoyed the medicare system. It the biggest scam I ever seen in this world.

A curious question: Does your friend move his parents to USA with him or leave them in Canada, if his parents happen to live with him right now?
 
最初由 ix123 发布
斑竹已鉴定从IP地址,疯狂小马甲、XIAOmimi、lifeisfun 是同一个猪!呵呵。
大家不要理这头猪了。

I would be glad to know who are 疯狂小马甲、XIAOmimi as I have no such IDs. It's just your imagination that they are from one person.
When you try to duump shit on others, it only shows to me that you are losing this debate and have no other choice.

Whether who is right or wrong in this debate is not that important, the important thing is that some of our folks cann't tolerate different views, different vioces. They only consider they are on the right side and should be favored. They don't want to discuss issues in a healthy way and reasonable way, but try to shut up others.

For parents reunions, you guys only look at one point, namely, wishing your parents could come over earlier for the reunion. You didn't look up the whole issue, didn't look at what's the root cause to force the government to reduce the quota of parent reunion. Therefore, you couldn't propose some solution (so-called win-win solution) which can be accepted by by others. Top me that's absolutely selfish.
 
最初由 wotaihua 发布


A curious question: Does your friend move his parents to USA with him or leave them in Canada, if his parents happen to live with him right now?

I don't know his answer. But I knew some folks who themselves went to US to work there while leaving their parents living in Canada, enjoying the benefits here, which are paid by tax payers in Canada.

Do you think that is fair?
 
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