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[A Few Words on Chinese and Charity]
It's weekend down here, and my pigs are behaving well. I guess I can spend some time here.
There might be a Chinese who donates more than Bill Gates in terms of the charity (although I don't like some of his business practice), but Chinese ON AVERAGE are less generous than 'Canadians' (I borrow this term from one of the posts, it's not accurate, but for the sake of convenience, let's use it for the time being). There could be several reasons for them to be less generous.
- Economic condition. Immigrant Chinese like many other immigrants of various ethnic background from the third world countries ON AVERAGE make less money, therefore have less money to spend. That could be one of the reasons they grab their money a bit tighter than 'Canadians'.
- Modern Chinese culture. Modern Chinese culture has been corrupted to the extent resulting in a subcultre that more you take illegally, in many Chinese eyes "smarter" and "niuer" you are. Under such a culture and examples, many Chinese now feel it's okay to take whatever they can, from whomever they can. They take from the land, rivers and mountains, from taxpayers, from consumers, from farmers, from factory workers, from children, from patients, from whom they are supposed to protect and serve, from each other, even from friends and relatives, without much moral conscience. At the same time the culture does not seem to teach us the virtue of give.
- Religious influence. In western countries education and influence of religions have long been playing an important part in people's daily life. Generosity and charity have long been virtues in many western religions (actually also virtues in the traditional Chinese culture). Like the nonexistence of freedom of press, there is not much freedom of religion in China for last 50 years or so, let alone religions education. It's another possible reason that Chinese ON AVERAGE are less generous than westerners.
Having said that, I have two points I want to make. One on the asking end, one on the giving end.
First, If I am the one going door to door soliciting donations, I will not have a preconceived idea that the people I am about to meet ARE SUPPOSED to donate just because I have a noble charity cause. Rather I would think whomever this person I'm about to meet has the right to give or not to give his hard-earned money regardless how rich this person is, and he has every right to do whatever he wants with his money. I will not think there's something wrong with or have a bad thought about this rich person if he declined my request, as long as he's polite. And for those who declined my request, I would think they must have their reasons to do so. Besides supporting their family, raising kids, paying rent or mortgage, they probably want to save some money and send it to their family members or relatives back in China, or to sponsor their family members to come to Canada, or for their next family trip to China, and so on. Expenses like that normally do not occur to 'Canadians'. By having that kind of attitude, I will not feel "有点说不出的滋味", and I will feel more grateful and more appreciative if anyone does donate. After having knocked some doors, if it occurs to me that some immigrant ethnic groups give less than other ethnic groups, I will skip those who give less in order to save my time. The decision is not based on any moral judgement, but purely a business decision on efficiency.
Second, for those Chinese who donate more often than other Chinese, for your own good, please try not to think you are better than or superior to other Chinese who donate less. If you keep holding on to that type of attitude, you are bound to get irritated or feel being insulted by many little things. For example, if the son did not knock your door for donation, you probably would think, "How dare this kid or his mom is?! Treating me like those lower class Chinese with lower moral standard!" On the other hand If you positioned yourself as an ordinary Chinese, or as an ordinary human being, you probably won't be bothered by things like if the kid knocks your door or not. It's not a big deal. I think most people including 'Canadians' and other immigrant ethnic groups will not get so upset that they have to curse, like a couple of Chinese did in this forum, just because they noticed their neighbor's door gets knocked, but not theirs. There are plenty of ways if you really want to donate or get involved in charity work.
I noticed some people calling the mother discriminating against Chinese. I think it can hardly be called discrimination. Discrimination is usually some type of bias or prejudice against certain group of people to strip or block certain opportunities of the group, such as employment, career promotion or education, things like that. What if the mother told her son not to ask any kids younger than five for donation, are you going to call the mother discriminating against children under five too? I guess you can see the point...
I also noticed someone calling the mother a bitch. That's totally uncalled for. It also shows that person using the word does not seem to quite understand the meaning of the word. "Bitch" or "bitching" usually means someone likes to bad-mouth others or makes a habit of doing it. Let's take a look at what the mother did. First, it's true, not a bias, not bad-mouthing, that Chinese ON AVERAGE donate less than 'Canadians'; Second, she did not say anything derogatory about Chinese; Third, what the mother did was simply telling her son what to do and what not to do, nothing else.
It's just my view. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks...
It's weekend down here, and my pigs are behaving well. I guess I can spend some time here.
There might be a Chinese who donates more than Bill Gates in terms of the charity (although I don't like some of his business practice), but Chinese ON AVERAGE are less generous than 'Canadians' (I borrow this term from one of the posts, it's not accurate, but for the sake of convenience, let's use it for the time being). There could be several reasons for them to be less generous.
- Economic condition. Immigrant Chinese like many other immigrants of various ethnic background from the third world countries ON AVERAGE make less money, therefore have less money to spend. That could be one of the reasons they grab their money a bit tighter than 'Canadians'.
- Modern Chinese culture. Modern Chinese culture has been corrupted to the extent resulting in a subcultre that more you take illegally, in many Chinese eyes "smarter" and "niuer" you are. Under such a culture and examples, many Chinese now feel it's okay to take whatever they can, from whomever they can. They take from the land, rivers and mountains, from taxpayers, from consumers, from farmers, from factory workers, from children, from patients, from whom they are supposed to protect and serve, from each other, even from friends and relatives, without much moral conscience. At the same time the culture does not seem to teach us the virtue of give.
- Religious influence. In western countries education and influence of religions have long been playing an important part in people's daily life. Generosity and charity have long been virtues in many western religions (actually also virtues in the traditional Chinese culture). Like the nonexistence of freedom of press, there is not much freedom of religion in China for last 50 years or so, let alone religions education. It's another possible reason that Chinese ON AVERAGE are less generous than westerners.
Having said that, I have two points I want to make. One on the asking end, one on the giving end.
First, If I am the one going door to door soliciting donations, I will not have a preconceived idea that the people I am about to meet ARE SUPPOSED to donate just because I have a noble charity cause. Rather I would think whomever this person I'm about to meet has the right to give or not to give his hard-earned money regardless how rich this person is, and he has every right to do whatever he wants with his money. I will not think there's something wrong with or have a bad thought about this rich person if he declined my request, as long as he's polite. And for those who declined my request, I would think they must have their reasons to do so. Besides supporting their family, raising kids, paying rent or mortgage, they probably want to save some money and send it to their family members or relatives back in China, or to sponsor their family members to come to Canada, or for their next family trip to China, and so on. Expenses like that normally do not occur to 'Canadians'. By having that kind of attitude, I will not feel "有点说不出的滋味", and I will feel more grateful and more appreciative if anyone does donate. After having knocked some doors, if it occurs to me that some immigrant ethnic groups give less than other ethnic groups, I will skip those who give less in order to save my time. The decision is not based on any moral judgement, but purely a business decision on efficiency.
Second, for those Chinese who donate more often than other Chinese, for your own good, please try not to think you are better than or superior to other Chinese who donate less. If you keep holding on to that type of attitude, you are bound to get irritated or feel being insulted by many little things. For example, if the son did not knock your door for donation, you probably would think, "How dare this kid or his mom is?! Treating me like those lower class Chinese with lower moral standard!" On the other hand If you positioned yourself as an ordinary Chinese, or as an ordinary human being, you probably won't be bothered by things like if the kid knocks your door or not. It's not a big deal. I think most people including 'Canadians' and other immigrant ethnic groups will not get so upset that they have to curse, like a couple of Chinese did in this forum, just because they noticed their neighbor's door gets knocked, but not theirs. There are plenty of ways if you really want to donate or get involved in charity work.
I noticed some people calling the mother discriminating against Chinese. I think it can hardly be called discrimination. Discrimination is usually some type of bias or prejudice against certain group of people to strip or block certain opportunities of the group, such as employment, career promotion or education, things like that. What if the mother told her son not to ask any kids younger than five for donation, are you going to call the mother discriminating against children under five too? I guess you can see the point...
I also noticed someone calling the mother a bitch. That's totally uncalled for. It also shows that person using the word does not seem to quite understand the meaning of the word. "Bitch" or "bitching" usually means someone likes to bad-mouth others or makes a habit of doing it. Let's take a look at what the mother did. First, it's true, not a bias, not bad-mouthing, that Chinese ON AVERAGE donate less than 'Canadians'; Second, she did not say anything derogatory about Chinese; Third, what the mother did was simply telling her son what to do and what not to do, nothing else.
It's just my view. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks...
1. 学校(或者什么人)让孩子去卖糖果本身是不恰当的行为! 孩子是不能工作赚钱的, 卖糖果本身就是一种商业行为, 严格地说, 让孩子去卖糖果和使用童工一样, 是违法的! 退一步说, 在道德上站不住脚!
2. 买不买完全自愿, 没有什么负罪, 或者对不起. 因为孩子卖糖果绝对不是任何慈善活动的一部分, 因为 Charity 是肯定不能直接使用孩子的劳动的, 否则绝对违法! 如果孩子们挣到钱之后再捐给慈善, 那是他们自己的行为. 不能向其他消费者那里进行连带.
3. 孩子卖糖果还不是什么大不了的事情, 虽然严格说违法, 但是这方面并没有执法.
就全社会而言, 这种现象的广度和深度极其有限.
4. 对于其他形式的慈善, 应该鼓励. 咱们中国人参加慈善活动少, 应当鼓励大家努力改变.
2. 买不买完全自愿, 没有什么负罪, 或者对不起. 因为孩子卖糖果绝对不是任何慈善活动的一部分, 因为 Charity 是肯定不能直接使用孩子的劳动的, 否则绝对违法! 如果孩子们挣到钱之后再捐给慈善, 那是他们自己的行为. 不能向其他消费者那里进行连带.
3. 孩子卖糖果还不是什么大不了的事情, 虽然严格说违法, 但是这方面并没有执法.
就全社会而言, 这种现象的广度和深度极其有限.
4. 对于其他形式的慈善, 应该鼓励. 咱们中国人参加慈善活动少, 应当鼓励大家努力改变.
Very true and really cool. tks!
"有点说不出的滋味" is my feeling, rather than the mother/son. Having heard the story in a gossip, I was at loss for words and for thoughts. As the implication is beyond the incident. I did not even ask why, which leaves a room for everybody to think. While choosing one position seems perfectly reasonable from one's own point of view and based on one's own background and experience, selecting other options may also be as justifiable. It has a mirror effect, one can see the true oneself, if one is willing to. No good or bad, just truth and reality.
This virtue community is just a reflection of our real community
we need care and share to build a healthy one. I remember an old saying I leant many years ago, it goes like 'if we do not hang together, we will be hanged seperately. It seems even more true today.
the question remains can I/we do something?!
take care!
"有点说不出的滋味" is my feeling, rather than the mother/son. Having heard the story in a gossip, I was at loss for words and for thoughts. As the implication is beyond the incident. I did not even ask why, which leaves a room for everybody to think. While choosing one position seems perfectly reasonable from one's own point of view and based on one's own background and experience, selecting other options may also be as justifiable. It has a mirror effect, one can see the true oneself, if one is willing to. No good or bad, just truth and reality.
This virtue community is just a reflection of our real community
we need care and share to build a healthy one. I remember an old saying I leant many years ago, it goes like 'if we do not hang together, we will be hanged seperately. It seems even more true today.
the question remains can I/we do something?!
take care!
最初由 yokel 发布
[A Few Words on Chinese and Charity]
It's weekend down here, and my pigs are behaving well. I guess I can spend some time here.
There might be a Chinese who donates more than Bill Gates in terms of the charity (although I don't like some of his business practice), but Chinese ON EVERAGE are less generous than 'Canadians' (I borrow this term from one of the posts, it's not accurate, but for the sake of convenience, let's use it for the time being). There could be several reasons for them to be less generous.
- Economic condition. Immigrant Chinese like many other immigrants of various ethnic background from the third world countries ON EVERAGE make less money, therefore spend less money. That could be one of the reasons they grab their money a bit tighter than 'Canadians'.
- Modern Chinese culture. Modern Chinese culture has been corrupted to the extent resulting in a subcultre that more you take illegally, in many Chinese eyes "smarter" and "niuer" you are. Under such a culture, many Chinese now feel it's okay to take whatever they can, from whomever they can. They take from the land, rivers and mountains, from taxpayers, from consumers, from farmers, factory workers, from each other, even from friends and relatives, without much moral conscience. At the same the culture does not seem to teach us the virtue of give.
- Religious influence. In western countries education and influence of religions have long been playing an important part in people's daily life. Generosity and charity have long been virtues in many western religions (actually also virtues in the traditional Chinese culture). Like the nonexistence of freedom of press, there is not much freedom of religion for last 50 years or so in China, let alone religions education. It's another possible reason that Chinese ON EVERAGE are less generous than westerners.
Having said that, I have two points I want to make. One on the asking end, one on the giving end.
First, If I am the one going door to door soliciting donations, I will not have a preconceived idea that the people I am about to meet ARE SUPPOSED to donate just because I have noble charity cause. Rather I would think whomever this person I'm about to meet has the right to give or not to give his hard-earned money regardless how rich this person is, and he has every right to do whatever he wants with his money. I will not think there's something wrong with or have a bad thought about this rich person if he declined my request, as long as he's polite. And for those who declined my request, I would think they probably have their reasons to do so. Besides supporting their family, raising kids, paying rent or mortgage, they probably want to save some money and send it to their family members or relatives back in China, or to sponsor their family members to come to Canada, or for their next family trip to China, and so on. Expenses like that normally do not occur to 'Canadians'. By having that kind of attitude, I will not feel "有点说不出的滋味", and I will feel more grateful and more appreciative if anyone does donate. After having knocked some doors, if it occurs to me that some immigrant ethnic groups give less than other ethnic groups, I will skip those who give less in order to save my time. The decision is not based on any moral judgement, but purely a business decision on efficiency.
Second, for those Chinese who donate more often than other Chinese, for your own good, please try not to think you are better than or superior to other Chinese who donate less. If you keep holding on to that type of attitude, you are bound to getting irritated or feeling being insulted by many little things. For example, if the son did not knock your door for donation, you probably would think, "How dare this kid or his mom is?! Treating me like those lower class Chinese with lower moral standard!" On the other hand If you positioned yourself as an ordinary Chinese, or an ordinary human being, you probably won't be bothered by things like if the kid knocks your door or not. It's not a big deal. I think most people including 'Canadians' and other immigrant ethnic groups will not get so upset that they have to curse, like a couple of Chinese did in this forum, just because they noticed their neighbor's door get knocked, but not theirs. There are plenty of ways if you really want to donate or get involved in charity work.
I noticed some people calling the mother discriminating against Chinese. I think it can hardly be called discrimination. Discrimination is usually some type of bias or prejudice against certain group of people to strip or block certain opportunities of the group, such as employment, career promotion or education, things like that. What if the mother told her son not to ask any kids younger than five for donation, are you going to call that the mother discriminating against children under five too? I guess you can see the point...
I also noticed someone calling the mother a bitch. That's totally uncalled for. It also shows that person using the word does not seem to quite understand the meaning of the word. "Bitch" or "bitching" usually means someone likes to bad-mouth others or makes a habit of doing it. Let's take a look at what the mother did. First, it's true, not a bias, not bad-mouthing, that Chinese ON EVERAGE donate less than 'Canadians'; Second, she did not say anything derogatory about Chinese; Third, what the mother did was simply telling her son what to do and what not to do, nothing else.
It's just my view. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks...
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You missed LZ's point, better read again or ask sb to find out for u
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好了别天天拿这说事了~喜欢的买不喜欢的不买~别什么事都套上"中国人"这种大名头了.
DOWNTOWN的乞丐我很少给钱.但是街头艺人我就给很多.这是个人喜好,世界观价值观的问题.别没事就打着中国人的旗号~
有些同胞可能做的不好,提醒一下就行.毕竟小女孩卖巧克力不容易,几块钱的事情.
那些外国人,中国人怎么想是他们的事情,但是做到问心无愧,更何况这点事情根本没必要扣帽子~
Wow... That's flattering. Thanks.
I did not expect comment like yours at all. I was expecting another TOEFL lecture from the TOEFL professor, or other comments like "complete nonsense!", or "you are not welcomed here", or "you don't understand anything", or "your IQ is zero". I am getting used to the comments like that at CFC... LOL
I like your mirror analogy. It's amazing whenever I thought about it. Just by what people are saying, you can tell a lot about the person, about his/her personality, charactors, the way he/she thinks, etc... Not much can be hiden...LOL
I think the difference between Chinese and 'Canadian' in charity is not very big. But the differences between Chinese and westerners in other areas are huge. It is a BIG subject. By avoiding it or by deliberately hiding it will not do any good to improve Chinese.
Thanks again.
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最初由 yokel 发布
[A Few Words on Chinese and Charity]
It's weekend down here, and my pigs are behaving well. I guess I can spend some time here.
There might be a Chinese who donates more than Bill Gates in terms of the charity (although I don't like some of his business practice), but Chinese ON EVERAGE are less generous than 'Canadians' (I borrow this term from one of the posts, it's not accurate, but for the sake of convenience, let's use it for the time being). There could be several reasons for them to be less generous.
- Economic condition. Immigrant Chinese like many other immigrants of various ethnic background from the third world countries ON EVERAGE make less money, therefore spend less money. That could be one of the reasons they grab their money a bit tighter than 'Canadians'.
- Modern Chinese culture. Modern Chinese culture has been corrupted to the extent resulting in a subcultre that more you take illegally, in many Chinese eyes "smarter" and "niuer" you are. Under such a culture, many Chinese now feel it's okay to take whatever they can, from whomever they can. They take from the land, rivers and mountains, from taxpayers, from consumers, from farmers, factory workers, from children, from patients, from each other, even from friends and relatives, without much moral conscience. At the same time the culture does not seem to teach us the virtue of give.
- Religious influence. In western countries education and influence of religions have long been playing an important part in people's daily life. Generosity and charity have long been virtues in many western religions (actually also virtues in the traditional Chinese culture). Like the nonexistence of freedom of press, there is not much freedom of religion for last 50 years or so in China, let alone religions education. It's another possible reason that Chinese ON EVERAGE are less generous than westerners.
Having said that, I have two points I want to make. One on the asking end, one on the giving end.
First, If I am the one going door to door soliciting donations, I will not have a preconceived idea that the people I am about to meet ARE SUPPOSED to donate just because I have a noble charity cause. Rather I would think whomever this person I'm about to meet has the right to give or not to give his hard-earned money regardless how rich this person is, and he has every right to do whatever he wants with his money. I will not think there's something wrong with or have a bad thought about this rich person if he declined my request, as long as he's polite. And for those who declined my request, I would think they must have their reasons to do so. Besides supporting their family, raising kids, paying rent or mortgage, they probably want to save some money and send it to their family members or relatives back in China, or to sponsor their family members to come to Canada, or for their next family trip to China, and so on. Expenses like that normally do not occur to 'Canadians'. By having that kind of attitude, I will not feel "有点说不出的滋味", and I will feel more grateful and more appreciative if anyone does donate. After having knocked some doors, if it occurs to me that some immigrant ethnic groups give less than other ethnic groups, I will skip those who give less in order to save my time. The decision is not based on any moral judgement, but purely a business decision on efficiency.
Second, for those Chinese who donate more often than other Chinese, for your own good, please try not to think you are better than or superior to other Chinese who donate less. If you keep holding on to that type of attitude, you are bound to getting irritated or feeling being insulted by many little things. For example, if the son did not knock your door for donation, you probably would think, "How dare this kid or his mom is?! Treating me like those lower class Chinese with lower moral standard!" On the other hand If you positioned yourself as an ordinary Chinese, or as an ordinary human being, you probably won't be bothered by things like if the kid knocks your door or not. It's not a big deal. I think most people including 'Canadians' and other immigrant ethnic groups will not get so upset that they have to curse, like a couple of Chinese did in this forum, just because they noticed their neighbor's door gets knocked, but not theirs. There are plenty of ways if you really want to donate or get involved in charity work.
I noticed some people calling the mother discriminating against Chinese. I think it can hardly be called discrimination. Discrimination is usually some type of bias or prejudice against certain group of people to strip or block certain opportunities of the group, such as employment, career promotion or education, things like that. What if the mother told her son not to ask any kids younger than five for donation, are you going to call the mother discriminating against children under five too? I guess you can see the point...
I also noticed someone calling the mother a bitch. That's totally uncalled for. It also shows that person using the word does not seem to quite understand the meaning of the word. "Bitch" or "bitching" usually means someone likes to bad-mouth others or makes a habit of doing it. Let's take a look at what the mother did. First, it's true, not a bias, not bad-mouthing, that Chinese ON EVERAGE donate less than 'Canadians'; Second, she did not say anything derogatory about Chinese; Third, what the mother did was simply telling her son what to do and what not to do, nothing else.
It's just my view. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks...
I applaude to your analysis of the reasons of why the Chinese generally donate less. That's respectable.
But, the first time I saw your post, I could tell you write pretty good academic Enlish, however, you don't have a real good grasp of those two English words(It's not to say that I have a good grasp of the English, but, as far as these two words you discussed here are concerned, I do have a better understand than you).
Before you explain the meaning of the words 'discrimination' and 'bitch', check the dictionary first:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/discrimination
3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>
Notice the keywords: 'Categorically', 'outlook' 'action' and 'treatment'
So, discrimiation is not just about employment and the other aspects you mentioned; it could be about just the 'Outlook'.
Unless, the mother could prove not a single Chinese has ever donate,her speech to her son constituted as discriminating categorically. She thus instituted her son a prejudicial outlook about Chinese.
and check out the word bitch:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/bitch
b : a malicious, spiteful, or domineering woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is highly objectionable or unpleasant
Have you heard of the saying"Life is a bitch"?
bitch could mean somebody that's mean and objectionable.
"Third, what the mother did was simply telling her son what to do and what not to do, nothing else."---what's her reason behind the do and don't??? she understand the "several reasons " you just explained? Not likely. why? because LZ "有点说不出的滋味", if she or LZ understand the "several reasons", LZ wouldn't feel that way. So, the only option left is that she has this prejudicial outlook about Chinese and that's objectionable and that's bitchy! If someone is bitchy, you called that person Bitch!
"It also shows that person using the word does not seem to quite understand the meaning of the word. "----你这句话几乎令我晕倒!!!
Tell your explaination of those 2 words to native English speakers, if they don't find them strange, I will be Really Really surprised.
Again, the simplest step will be: Just check the dictionary!
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It's really brutal, having to spend so much time to explain 2 common words to people. That's why I avoided doing so initially.
Yokel: have you got a thick, authentic, English-English dictionary? don't use Enlish-Chinese dictionary and don't use 金山词霸（it's just crap).
Next time, check it before you write, so that it will be very merciful of you to save us the pain of explaining.
Yokel: have you got a thick, authentic, English-English dictionary? don't use Enlish-Chinese dictionary and don't use 金山词霸（it's just crap).
Next time, check it before you write, so that it will be very merciful of you to save us the pain of explaining.
Thanks for your applause. Probably you are just teasing me...
I also have to thank you for not calling me racial discrimination for the business decision I made...
Wow... I never thought that the two little words could be such a passionate issue...
"it could be about just the 'Outlook'" Unfortunetely I have to say no in this case. The single word 'outlook' in your statement is used in a NEUTUAL sense, but in the definition it is clearly stated as "prejudiced or prejudicial outlook". I guess everybody can see there's a big difference between the two. The definition 3b also clearly gives "prejudiced or prejudicial outlook" an example "<racial discrimination>" which is exactly what you meant in your comment towards the mom. I did some quick web search for "racial discrimination" with the following key words, ""racial discrimination" definition" without the outer quotation mark. The hits I got are between 55,000 and 2 millions depending on which search engine you use. Here's one of them:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racial discrimination
racial discrimination
n : discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race [syn: racism, racialism]
Based on the definition you found and the one I found, I think it's reasonable to conclude: "prejudiced or prejudicial outlook" is equavelent to "racial discrimination" (in this case), which is also equavelent to "racism". With the definition in mind, let's move on.
"Unless, the mother could prove not a single Chinese has ever donate, her speech to her son constituted as discriminating categorically. She thus instituted her son a prejudicial outlook about Chinese."
Let me get this straight. If the mom can not prove that not a single Chinese has ever donated, then she must be guilty of racism against all Chinese? Or if she can not prove that not a single kid younger than five has ever donated, then she must be guilty of age discrimination against all the children under five in the world? I don't know why you can't seem to see the absurdity? It reminds me of the saying "Desperation is the enemy of wisdom"...
Also, another obvious question is if my business decision was not considered "racial discrimination", why she is being called "racial discrimination" or "racism"? I assume your following statement was trying to answer the question. Let's take a look at it.
"if she or LZ understand the "several reasons", LZ wouldn't feel that way."
Please read this statement a couple of more times... Basically this is what you are saying. "There are person A and person B. If event X happens to B, then event Y will happen to B". But where does person A (the mom) fit into this picture? I don't know what is your profession and education background, but in our profession of raising pigs, I heard this is something about logic. I hope I heard it right..
Second problem with this statement is: based on what facts and ground that you assume and you can prove that the mom did not understand the "several reasons"? What makes you so sure that she did not have any general idea of economic conditions of immigrant Chinese? Doesn't she have any immigrant Chinese friends? Why can't the mom reach her own conclusion that Chinese on average donate less just based on her life experience? Or her experience of having knocked some doors? And therefore reached her own business decision like what I did? What makes you so sure that she had no idea of what has been going on in China? Doesn't she read any articles about China? Was she just born yesterday? What's so difficult to understand the "several reasons"? Even I can understand. You seem to have a tendency to think people are less smart than you are, or they are simply stupid...
Let me tell you, people are probably a lot smarter than you thought. They probably know more reasons on top of the "several reasons".Let's take a look at the second word.
"bitch could mean somebody that's mean and objectionable."
Wait, slow down here... When you want to use "objectionable" (BTW, you forgot to include the word "highly" as indicated in the definition), the definition 3 specifically states that it should be used on "something...", not on "somebody". The examples for definition 3 can be "Life is a bitch", or "This project is a bitch", or "This job is a bitch". If you want to use "bitch" to describe a person, that person should match the adjectives "malicious, spiteful, or domineering" as clearly stated in the definition. The adjective "mean" you chose in your statement is not only not included in the definition, but also seem to be not bad enough comparing to those adjectives...
Now, you can tell us which one or which combination of the adjectives "malicious, spiteful, or domineering" fits the mom best? Actually, I doubt you can even prove she is "mean" because I'm not sure if you even know her.It makes me wonder if you realize that by trying so hard to prove it is a correct or a decent thing to do to curse the mom bitch, you are inviting people to re-examine the whole picture. The picture would of course include you (looking pretty angry with the comments like bitch, racial discrimination and possibly other negative comments burst out of your mouth towards the mom), the mom (with what she said to her son), and a hat (with the word BITCH on it hanging in the air). It looks like an interesting picture...
It seems to show that you haven't encountered/heard/read enough examples/sentences/situations where the words are used. If you do, you would use them correctly at the first place and won't have to rely so much on dictionaries, and still seem to make mistakes using them after having checked dictionaries...
I never thought I will spend time explaining things like those words. If you still can't see the point, I heard there's an organization called "Human Right Tribunal". Give them a call or send them an Email asking if they think the mom's words constitutes "racism". Or you can call a lawyer specialized in human right or discrimination cases asking if he thinks the mom's words constitutes "racism". Let me warn you, please don't blame me if they laugh... I guess then you will see my point...
"bitch could mean somebody that's mean and objectionable."
"Just check the dictionary!"
I wanted to say something, but it just occurred to me that you probably are a lady. So I won't...
"I do have a better understand than you" I wish I could say that... Just kidding... I will never say something like that...
"你这句话几乎令我晕倒!!! 不行了，我气结真的不行了。。。" It breaks my heart to see a beautiful girl like you fainting in front of my eyes especially because of something I said. Let me hold you in my farmer strong arms. Oops, I forgot to take a bathe a couple of months ago... too late... Hope you don't mind...
Geez, having a pretty girl in my arms feels much better than dragging/fighting pigs. Is this 'Beauty and Beast' or what?...
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"你这句话几乎令我晕倒!!! 不行了，我气结真的不行了。。。" It breaks my heart to see a beautiful girl like you fainting in front of my eyes because of something I said. Let me hold you in my farmer strong arms. Oops, I forgot to take a bathe a couple of months ago... too late... Hope you don't mind...
I would and could kick your stinky farmer butt out of your stinky pig farm before you even have the chance to come near me!
Geez......What a nutty pig farmer!
