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刚买房,就降了10%。kao

The single and towns in Kanata area is lowered by almost 10% in 2 weeks.

The townhome was about 220-240 in Kanata lakes. Now on mls and grapevine, listing price is 200-230. Singles in Bridlewood is ine 240K range.

I heard Spring has the highest price in the year. Looking like we will have a down housting market this year.

In the US, hot market like San Diego, LA, DC, Phoenix already see 10-20% down in the last 3 months, although in the past 12 months, they are still up. Really a bad timming for new home owner like me. Bag holder.
 
Really? Good news for me.
 
最初由 Trusted 发布
刚买房,就降了10%。kao

The single and towns in Kanata area is lowered by almost 10% in 2 weeks.

The townhome was about 220-240 in Kanata lakes. Now on mls and grapevine, listing price is 200-230. Singles in Bridlewood is ine 240K range.


You can't use grapevine to check the house price because the properties are for sale by owners. I found that for sale by owner property prices are crazy. The owners don't know what their houses really "worth" and just ask for the prices they really "want"

A neighbour on the crescent listed a semi on grapvine for $280k last year, but when we looked at the real estate agents' statistics, over the past 5 years, the final sale prices for these similar semi on the same crescent were only ranging from $210-$220k with a real estate agent listing prices of below $240k.

Sellers pay several hundreds bulks and they can list a property on grapevine for sky rocket price at anytime. If there are "inexperienced" buyers passing by who are stupid enough to think for-sale-by-owner houses are always cheaper, the seller might end up earning a jackpot. Worse case is that their house won't sell and they lose a few hundred bulks.

MLS listing prices really depend on the agent too. Somehow some agents want to please or attract the clients , and therefore list the price very high, and then it will be big difference than the final sale price.

I guess it's better to talk to an agent and look at past 5 years' statistics on final sale price. The house price is not increasing much, but it seems to be quite steady still.
 
To compare housing prices, I think you need to compare the sale prices (the transaction does completed, i.e. the price someone is willing to sell and buy at the same time), not the listing prices, which might be inflated or deflalted by some reasons. Of course, if all listing prices reduced by 10%, the housing market moves downward. Good luck!
 
take a look at this end unit town.
http://orebweb1.oreb.ca/mlssearch/frm_SearchMlsDetails.asp?x_mls_num=625948
for only 223k

on the same street, the listing on grapevine was 250k.

a similar house on busy kanata ave was sold for 225k by joan smith, last month.
http://www.joansmith.com/619345.htm

Hardwood floor, walkout on noisy street with no backyard for $225k
No upgrade on quiet stree backing into no direct windows for $223K listed, will be sold for $220K I guess.

Quietness worth about 10% of a house price.
So we can remove the goodies to see the bare price of the two:

So, the price for joan's is 225k-8kfloor-5kwalkou+2kyard=214k last month
And the new one for 220k*0.9=200k,
a 7% reduction in 1 month.



http://orebweb1.oreb.ca/mlssearch/frm_SearchMlsDetails.asp?x_mls_num=626219
the same house was on grapevine for 219k for 4 weeks, now it is on mls for 209k, and final price will be in 205k. it is really a nice starter home in the best school district in Kanata. Katimivic->Eal-of-March.
 
My Interest Was 4.8 last month, now it is 5.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060306/housing_slowdown.html?.v=2

The five-year housing boom is indeed over, judging from growing statistical evidence and the performance of some of the nation's leading builders, and the slowdown is already rippling through the economy.

In the last week, the Commerce Department reported that January sales of new single-family homes fell 5 percent -- the fourth decline in seven months -- and the backlog of unsold new homes hit a record. And the National Association of Realtors said used home sales slipped 2.8 percent in January, the fourth straight drop and 5 percent below January 2005.

Builders also reported a few hiccups. Upscale Toll Brothers Inc. said signed contracts in the November-January period fell 21 percent from a year ago, and KB Home reported more buyers backing out of contracts.

Still, the prospect of a housing slowdown appears less frightening than it did a few months ago, according to those who track the industry. There seems to be little concern that a much-touted housing bubble will lead to a collapse in sales and prices.

New Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said last month housing would enter a moderate slowdown but not a crash.

William Mack, a housing analyst for Standard & Poor's, predicted "a soft landing. The overall market is just taking a step back."

Explanations for the recent cooling-off vary. Many people bought homes during the past five years and are staying put. Some analysts blame a decline in consumer confidence. And interest rates have been rising, especially for adjustable mortgages that allowed people to buy more expensive homes than they could have afforded with a 30-year loan.

"We started to see the strain in July and August, and by the fourth quarter the market definitely had slowed," said Layne Marceau, president of the Northern California region for Shea Homes, one of the nation's largest private builders.

Rising prices and interest rates pushed more buyers out of the market. When prices finally did cool, sellers couldn't command a high enough price on their old house to buy the new one, said Marceau, who believes the slowdown is temporary.

Builders don't like to cut prices -- it angers customers who paid more -- but last week, Centex Corp. advertised $25,000 off on select homes in the Dallas area after making a successful similar offer in California. Around the country, builders are throwing in incentives ranging from financing help to free upgrades like swimming pools and granite countertops. Some equal 10 percent of the home's list price.

The median price of an existing single-family home has declined since peaking at $219,700 in July to $210,500 in January, according to the National Association of Realtors. Few analysts expect a sharp drop in national averages, although they say there could be further declines in some areas that have been among the hottest markets in recent years.

David Seiders, chief economist for the National Association of Home Builders, said California, Las Vegas, Florida and the Washington, D.C., area "have the largest potential for a price slowdown."

The rising prices in those markets were fed by speculators who bought homes intending to "flip" or sell them for a quick profit, Seiders said. "The biggest fear I have is investor-owned units coming back on the market in large numbers," he said.

Analysts said markets in Florida and the Carolinas seemed to be holding up well. Hovnanian Enterprises Inc. reported last week that home contracts jumped 61 percent in the Southeast but fell nearly 11 percent in the Southwest and 37 percent in the West during the November-January period. The builder's profit was flat with a year earlier.

The slowdown that is showing up in national statistics hasn't reached all parts of the country.

"I've never seen a market as good as this," Mike Mishler said as he took a break from making finishing touches on a $1.6 million lakeside home near Dallas. "Maybe it will slow down in a couple years, but right now we have lots of California folks coming in, and empty-nest people looking for new homes."

Mishler, president of the local builders association, says Texas markets are holding up because they are affordable -- the median price in Dallas is $145,000 compared to the national average of $213,000. But even in Dallas, the inventory of unsold homes rose to a record in the fourth quarter.

By price, the middle and upper ends of the new-home market did best in 2005, with solid increases in everything above $200,000, reflecting strongest markets were in high-priced areas along both coasts. That pattern mostly continued in January, although there was a dip in the $400,000 to $750,000 segment compared to January 2005.

Housing has played a major role in the economic recovery since 2001, so even slower growth in home sales and prices could have major repercussions.

Asha Bangalore, an economist for The Northern Trust Co. in Chicago, estimates housing created 43 percent of all new jobs from late 2001 until mid-2005. That included the obvious, such as jobs in construction and mortgage services, but also retail and service jobs that were created because consumers tapped their rising home equity to buy more things.

"The housing slowdown that we are seeing is very modest, not alarming, but I think the ripple effects are going to be enormous because of the employment factor," she said.

For now, home builders are busy finishing the houses that customers ordered last year. In a sense, their 2006 results are already on the books, and they expect another good year.

"This will either be our most profitable or our second-most profitable year in the company's history," Joel Rassman, chief financial officer of Horsham, Penn.-based Toll Brothers, told investors this week. Its profits rose about 50 percent in 2004 and nearly doubled last year.

Investors, however, have been bidding down the stocks of home builders since July, prompting executives to complain that their companies are undervalued despite record earnings. The nine largest publicly traded builders have seen their shares fall 14 to 44 percent since their peaks, with Toll Brothers and Hovnanian the biggest losers.

Alex Barron, an analyst in San Francisco for JMP Securities, said builder stocks have been trading at relatively low multiples of their earnings since the late 1990s because investors always believed the strong housing market was too good to last.

"Investors kept saying, 'Next year housing will go down,'" Barron said. "I guess they're finally right."
 
As off the third quarter of 2005. The afforadabe index of ottawa accurate is at quiet comfortabe 3.1.

CANADA
Calgary 3.2 Moderately Unaffordable $219,000 $67,900
Edmonton 2.8 Affordable $164,900 $59,600
Hamilton 3.8 Moderately Unaffordable $224,900 $59,000
Montreal 3.5 Moderately Unaffordable $169,400 $48,400
Ottawa, ON 3.1 Moderately Unaffordable $214,900 $69,600
Quebec 2.8 Affordable $135,300 $48,100
Toronto 4.4 Seriously Unaffordable $290,400 $66,500
Vancouver 6.6 Severely Unaffordable $373,000 $56,500
Winnipeg 2.4 Affordable $118,000 $49,400
Average of Markets 3.6
 
Housing market warning (ZT)

最初由 Trusted 发布
My Interest Was 4.8 last month, now it is 5.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060306/housing_slowdown.html?.v=2

Yours seems to talk abou the markets in the USA. Here is the article in today's Financial Post to address the housing markets in Canada. Good luck!
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Housing market warning
'Could be softening': Royal hints at peak as CMHC OKs 30-year mortgages

by Garry Marr Financial Post

Tuesday, March 07, 2006

Royal Bank of Canada warned yesterday that the country's robust housing market may be slowing, adding its voice to a chorus of commentators saying the market has peaked.
The bank reported in its annual home ownership survey that buying intentions are at their lowest levels since 2000, a sign the "market could be softening." A poll conducted for the bank by Ipsos-Reid found only 10% of respondents say they are very likely to buy a home in the next two years -- down from 13% a year earlier.
"This year's results are a definite change from what we witnessed over the last five years," said Catherine Adams, Royal Bank's vice-president of home equity financing. "The intention to buy is still evident, but the intensity to do so is nowhere near as great."
A Statistics Canada report yesterday saw a sharp drop in construction intentions. The federal agency reported builders applied for $3.5-billion worth of residential permits in January, a 21.4% drop from a month earlier. Economists noted single-family home construction intentions continued to rise in January.
Most economists are predicting a pullback in new home construction and existing home sales in 2006, after new home starts set a record last year while existing home sales reached their second-highest level in 17 years. (not the end...)
 
买房是自己住的, 没所谓. 好过交租.

最初由 Victoria 发布
We bought our place at the peak price... :(
 
没等多一个月,就要多交一个月的租金. 不也是钱么? 等多几个月, 房子会便宜几千么?:glowface:
 
Re: How about your interest? It is gone to the banks, same as the rent.

最初由 CS2004 发布
How about your interest? It is gone to the banks, same as the rent.

Ottawa's rent is not very low. If you compare to the house in Vancouver, their rent is low. A house worths $700k can only rent for like $2000 and it is still very hard to find long term tenants. The interest rate is much lower than before too, I remember when my parents bought the house it was over 12% interest, and then when I first bought my first house, it was 7.25%, and now just fall around mid 4%.

I thing in a long run, it's still worth it to buy a house, but if you are thinking for short term investment, then maybe try investing elsewhere coz here the property tax is super high, and utility prices keep rising.

http://www.canequity.com/mortgage_rate_history.stm
 
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