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"do u think we are worse than those in the cultural revolution. country in chaos, torture, jail without reason, kicked out of schools because parents were considered reactionary."
Good question. But what if someone asks you who is responsible for the disaster, chaos, killing and torturing in the Culture Revolution in the first place? And not just the Culture Revolution, who's responsible for many other horrible events happened to millions of Chinese for the last close to 60 years? The ordinary Chinese people? Or the government?
"today's china is better than yesterday's china."
Better living or progress for whom? For what percentage of people? At what cost? environmentally? morally? socially? and culturally? At what expense for majority of people? To save people's time on reading and mine on writing, let me just elaborate a little bit on the last question that is "at what expense for majority of people?"
For 70 to 80 percent of Chinese mostly farmers, 农民工s and those living in the small towns in the countryside or rural areas, some of the realities of the "better life" and "progress" they are facing are as following.
- Income level. I read an investigative report called "Investigative Report on Chinese Farmers" published in one of the reputable Chinese magazines a couple of years ago. The report was done based on a five-year study and research in An Hui province. It said some farmers after one year hardworking and after the deduction from heavy taxes and other costs etc., they ended up having only 5 Chinese Yuan left for the Chinese Spring Festival. We all know how much 5 Yuan can buy these days. You tell me if after having worked your butt off for one year with only 5 Yuan in your hand for your family when Spring Festival or Christams approaching, you will think it's a better life or a progress for your family after 60 years the one party government in power?
- Medical insurance. There have no or close to nothing med insurance for these people. It means there's nothing they can do but wait for death if they have serious illness. For less serious illness they still can't afford the hospital treatment and sky-rocking medicine price, many of them have to rely on the luck of the strength and the youth of their bodies.
- Social insurance. There's no social insurance for most of these people, which means if they do not have a job then they are completely on their own live or dying.
- Basic education opportunity. Many of you probably have already read more terrible reports or stories about how difficult for kids to get education in countryside or rural areas. The 农民工's kids are facing the similar difficulties. You probably also know how low the percentage of the government education budget compared to other countries for country kids.
I assume you live in Canada. Do you think it's fair or a progress that you have been paying the same amount of tax when buying your clothes, shoes or other daily stuff, but you (just because you happen to be in the bottom of the society) have been striped of the above benefits that you are entitled to just as everybody else?
When we do comparisons, we not only need to compare historically or vertically, but more importantly we need to compare horizontally. Also, not only compare those rich and famous well to dos, but more importantly compare those that constitute the majority in the bottom of a society. In other words, if you really want to compare, you should compare the majority Chinese (farmers, 农民工s and others alike) who live at lower economic bracket with similar groups of people in other counties during the same 60 year period, and see how the foreign groups have been doing in their economic improvement, education, social welfare (med and social insurance), environmental changes, unnatural death rate, index of personal satisfactions, their human rights and so on. The comparison factors can go much longer. I think a comparison of such kind would be much closer to the reality.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear the Mr. Mouse may roar that a Chinese with electricity, running water and a TV set lives a much better life than any kings and queens in the world several hundred years ago (because none of those gadgets were available back then). Therefore the government is the best in the world to make it citizens live better than kings and queens. But if you compare horizontally, well, the picture would probably tell a different story.
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古人(包括世界各地)和 未曾逻?耶蜂的人，小童和?孩在 未明白耶蜂的事之前去世，他?得不得救，我??在活着的人?庸操心！神有主?去?理！
但有一个肯定！知道有耶蜂而拒睫相信的，必定下地?！呃是咎由自取！怨不得人！！！
奉?大家好自?之！
roaring mouse
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no need to expend that much energy to argue with a roaring mouse;
you just seem to turn a blind eye to the tremendous progress in China over the past few decades, which the whole world amazed at.
you just seem to turn a blind eye to the tremendous progress in China over the past few decades, which the whole world amazed at.
ＷＵ兄弟，功课可以偷些懒。这不，现成的，有人抄了摆在上面－－Psalm 14，只有一半。剩下的，won't you evil people learn?...我也懒得把它全敲上来。这不正好，楼上又在说了，拒绝信ＸＸ的，如冥顽如我者，“必定下地狱”。
对这诅咒，我并不当真，只是不明白：你信你的，我不笑你；我自不信，却碍你什么，值得如此般咬牙切齿？
Wu兄爱笑，我索性再讲个笑话吧。抄来的，要是有哪位觉得offended，尽管接着咒我。
从前，有个小庙。庙里供着一尊山神，边上还有个小鬼伺候。
赶上下大雨，冲垮了庙前的一座小桥。一个夜行的莽汉，不管不顾地闯进庙里，扛了山神去横在河上面当桥，踏着它过河赶路去也。
天亮了，雨停了。一位善人过路，见神明被人如此作践，不禁大惊失色，连呼罪过。
于是善人把山神洗干净，请回庙宇放好，又烧了柱香给山神压惊。
善人走后，小鬼不平，对山神讲：
那人如此亵渎大王，何不降祸于它，以示惩戒？
山神答：“非不能也，是为不忍。”
“大王，慈悲当有度！”小鬼斗胆坚持。
山神闭上眼，缓缓答到：
“若降祸，也只有降与那个善人啦！”
“大王在上，天理昭彰！”
“须知天行有道。那个过河的，他不信我，自是不归我管，却教我如何降祸与他？”
山神虽是个小神仙，但好歹也掌管着一方，得按天道行事，不然饭碗不保。上帝最大，当然得lead with sample，更讲道理更懂礼数才是。
以上帝名义，来诅咒不信上帝的同类，很是无礼。连这点基本的教养起码的宽容都没有，还奢谈什么爱？上帝若真是公平，对这等劣行，是真该降罪的。
阿门
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ＷＵ兄弟，功课可以偷些懒。这不，现成的，有人抄了摆在上面－－Psalm 14，只有一半。剩下的，won't you evil people learn?...我也懒得把它全敲上来。这不正好，楼上又在说了，拒绝信ＸＸ的，如冥顽如我者，“必定下地狱”。
对这诅咒，我并不当真，只是不明白：你信你的，我不笑你；我自不信，却碍你什么，值得如此般咬牙切齿？
Wu兄爱笑，我索性再讲个笑话吧。抄来的，要是有哪位觉得offended，尽管接着咒我。
从前，有个小庙。庙里供着一尊山神，边上还有个小鬼伺候。
赶上下大雨，冲垮了庙前的一座小桥。一个夜行的莽汉，不管不顾地闯进庙里，扛了山神去横在河上面当桥，踏着它过河赶路去也。
天亮了，雨停了。一位善人过路，见神明被人如此作践，不禁大惊失色，连呼罪过。
于是善人把山神洗干净，请回庙宇放好，又烧了柱香给山神压惊。
善人走后，小鬼不平，对山神讲：
那人如此亵渎大王，何不降祸于它，以示惩戒？
山神答：“非不能也，是为不忍。”
“大王，慈悲当有度！”小鬼斗胆坚持。
山神闭上眼，缓缓答到：
“若降祸，也只有降与那个善人啦！”
“大王在上，天理昭彰！”
“须知天行有道。那个过河的，他不信我，自是不归我管，却教我如何降祸与他？”
山神虽是个小神仙，但好歹也掌管着一方，得按天道行事，不然饭碗不保。上帝最大，当然得lead with sample，更讲道理更懂礼数才是。
以上帝名义，来诅咒不信上帝的同类，很是无礼。连这点基本的教养起码的宽容都没有，还奢谈什么爱？上帝若真是公平，对这等劣行，是真该降罪的。
阿门
哈哈，故事不错。
我则完全可以用圣经来解答。随手翻翻圣经，就能指出那种行为违反上帝旨意的地方。
耶稣明明说了，把门开大，进来的人就多，而好多籍上帝名的做法却是要把门关窄。
老子和释加摩尼从来不自称自己是神，
老子的证言指向了道，而施加摩尼的证言也指向了类似的地方。犹太教里面没有耶稣，可犹太教里面也在说上帝，他们还在等待着上帝答应给他们的救世主。墨罕默德也同样是以摩西和耶稣为根源的。
中国人自古就是信天的。不同的种族，不同的文化，不同的地区，都出现了类似的迹象。这难道不是同流的各教？
这一切的迹象，都指向了那个同一，这已经很说明问题了。摆脱了各教的入门阶段，会隐隐地感到原来大家都是同流异教的兄弟姐妹，而不是异教的仇敌。始终无法摆脱入门阶段则永远也感觉不到，他们会发动古代和现代的十字军东征。
如果坚持说，知道耶稣而拒绝加入这一教的一定下地狱，或者同信上帝不信我这一派的解释的就一定下地狱，
这就是把门关窄，那么自己也就走向了窄路，因为自己也正在路上走，远远没有到终点。去看看《圣经》中说的窄路会是什么结果吧！这不是警告，而是让人去读圣经！不要以为有了护身符就万事大吉了，这在本贴中已经一再按照圣经强调过了。
roaring mouse
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first of all, i do not live in canada.
2nd, if u compare horizontally, depending on where you look, you may be ectastic or in despair. compared to the so-called "poorest" folks on earth, Sudanese or some in Africa, you can join your own conclusion. if u also want to find faults with USA, it is the richest and most powerful country, you will also find some of its people are without running water and toilets.
3rd, do not blame the chinese government. my parents suffered and I was also denied passports because of my involvment in 64. But I learned to be humble, not resentful and not bitter. I know you christians are tolerant and not resentful. why are you so bitter towards the chinese government. government's faults are from its people.
4th Canada has universal health insurance. How about USA? No society is equal. Democracy is an illusion. Religion, in no offending terms, is like sex.
roaring mouse
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literally speaking, god is against people wearing clothes, from Adam and Eve on.
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如果和非基督徒比，一个真正的基督徒知罪所以也比较能认罪。有被神饶恕的平安所以也比较能饶恕别人。 [/B][/QUOTE]
哈哈 基督笑话！
什么叫认罪，宽恕又是什么？
我对基督教徒的接触，我知道他们说的那些叫做：知罪犯罪，然后还找借口以得心理平安，那样他们就可以再肆无忌惮！其实基督教最虚伪，最恨毒！
哈哈 基督笑话！
什么叫认罪，宽恕又是什么？
我对基督教徒的接触，我知道他们说的那些叫做：知罪犯罪，然后还找借口以得心理平安，那样他们就可以再肆无忌惮！其实基督教最虚伪，最恨毒！
