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几点看法

看了LZ的帖子,本是一潜了之,但看了全部跟贴, 忧心顿起。

本人身为中国人,也对当地人的为人之道有所保留 (After I first came to Canada, I visited New York City and called myself Canadian there, but a white young canadian yelled to me:"Go Back To Where You Come From"!)。但加拿大目前的社会制度大体保证了每个人,每个民族的平等(I've also seen a lot of friendly Canadian)。本人的看法如下:

1) 本人非常同情LZ。无论LZ的对错,本人将来都不会把KIDS送到这个学校。

2) The white Canadian does everything in a much more professional way than some chinese do. Even as a volunteer worked as a formal employee without payment. Some behavior, in the eye of the whites, is an offense to the rule set by Bible, their rule of life. Believe me, most white in Ontario are loyalist now as they were in history.

3) Weaving in your spear time at the work as a volunteer is nothing to chinese, but it shows you are not serious enough, hence not respectful to this job and it enraged "The Old Lady" - the headmaster.

4) Your letter to the headmaster is titled "To the old lady" and it smells offensive. It's better for you to calm down first. One criteria to do things in Canada is - do it on your own, don't make it political, such as race discrimination. At least in this case I don't feel offended.

5) Nowadays China is over-competitive, 但在加拿大我们是移民少数民族,对主流当地文化给予一定程度的尊重是一种教养和智慧的表现。Keep the image of all the Chinese!

6) Send your daughter to another school and stop the harassment. Save your daughter and yourself.
 
Re: 几点看法

本人身为中国人,也对当地人的为人之道有所保留 (After I first came to Canada, I visited New York City and called myself Canadian there, but a white young canadian yelled to me:"Go Back To Where You Come From"!)。但加拿大目前的社会制度大体保证了每个人,每个民族的平等(I've also seen a lot of friendly Canadian)。本人的看法如下:

1) 本人非常同情LZ。无论LZ的对错,本人将来都不会把KIDS送到这个学校。

2) The white Canadians do everything in a much more professional way than some chinese do. Even a volunteer works as a formal employee(just without payment). Some behavior, in the eye of the whites, is an offense to the rule set by Bible, their rule of life. Believe me, most whites in Ontario are loyalists now as they were in history.

3) Weaving in your break at the work as a volunteer was nothing to the Chinese, but it showed you were not serious enough, hence not respectful to this job and it enraged "The Old Lady" - the teacher.

4) Your letter to the teacher was titled "To the old lady" and it smelled offensive. It's better for you to calm down first. One criteria to do things in Canada is - do it on your own, don't make it political, such as race discrimination. At least in this case I don't feel offended.

5) Nowadays China is over-competitive, 但在加拿大我们是移民少数民族,对主流当地文化给予一定程度的尊重是一种教养和智慧的表现。Keep the image of all the Chinese!

6) Send your daughter to another school and stop the harassment. Save your daughter and yourself.


最初由 utopian01 发布
看了LZ的帖子,本是一潜了之,但看了全部跟贴, 忧心顿起。

本人身为中国人,也对当地人的为人之道有所保留 (After I first came to Canada, I visited New York City and called myself Canadian there, but a white young canadian yelled to me:"Go Back To Where You Come From"!)。但加拿大目前的社会制度大体保证了每个人,每个民族的平等(I've also seen a lot of friendly Canadian)。本人的看法如下:

1) 本人非常同情LZ。无论LZ的对错,本人将来都不会把KIDS送到这个学校。

2) The white Canadian does everything in a much more professional way than some chinese do. Even as a volunteer worked as a formal employee without payment. Some behavior, in the eye of the whites, is an offense to the rule set by Bible, their rule of life. Believe me, most white in Ontario are loyalist now as they were in history.

3) Weaving in your spear time at the work as a volunteer is nothing to chinese, but it shows you are not serious enough, hence not respectful to this job and it enraged "The Old Lady" - the headmaster.
 
Re: 几点看法

最初由 utopian01 发布
看了LZ的帖子,本是一潜了之,但看了全部跟贴, 忧心顿起。

4) Your letter to the headmaster is titled "To the old lady" and it smells offensive. It's better for you to calm down first. One criteria to do things in Canada is - do it on your own, don't make it political, such as race discrimination. At least in this case I don't feel offended.

LZ没有公布old lady的姓名,贴到这里时,用”To the old lady”代替了。
 
英?人一直都?中?人歧?,已???不怪.
我提阻你多用肺族歧??字眼,?比蒉收效,老外最怕呢?轧.
或者去稿你??(渥太攘)?各大?章塍丈,自然?收效更大.
舆??力,先至?人留力量.但首先,中?人真?要好好???劫啊.
不咿....唉!! ?民族??,都?揿法.
 
I agree with you but...

Sigh!! I agree with you. Nevertheless, we should have an open mind in this case(if we want more Chinese to immigrate to Canada).

If we, all the Chinese, can overcome some ugly habits, such as be polite, keep personal hygiene, have an open, modernized culture. We would mitigate the race discrimination issue to the minimum.

I have seen some white immigrants from British who are very good followers, so I think to be disciplinary and professional is just a habit of the white Ontarians. Do you agree?


最初由 添加? 发布
英?人一直都?中?人歧?,已???不怪.
我提阻你多用肺族歧??字眼,?比蒉收效,老外最怕呢?轧.
或者去稿你??(渥太攘)?各大?章塍丈,自然?收效更大.
舆??力,先至?人留力量.但首先,中?人真?要好好???劫啊.
不咿....唉!! ?民族??,都?揿法.
 
Re: I agree with you but...

I have to mention that I am very glad to see now more and more Chinese have a better manner in the modern world. I have more confidence on Chinese when the China is getting richer.


最初由 utopian01 发布
Sigh!! I agree with you. Nevertheless, we should have an open mind in this case(if we want more Chinese to immigrate to Canada).

If we, all the Chinese, can overcome some ugly habits, such as be polite, keep personal hygiene, have an open, modernized culture. We would mitigate the race discrimination issue to the minimum.

I have seen some white immigrants from British who are very good followers, so I think to be disciplinary and professional is just a habit of the white Ontarians. Do you agree?


 
Re: We did it! - 好消息要与大家分享!

看完此贴,双方想到此为止尽快了结此事或许是个没有办法的好办法,我只想说如果就此认为问题的根源在于是孩子敏感而产生的误解, 则是与事实极不符的。DIRECTOR和OLD LADY所说的仅是托辞借口而已,THANK YOU LETTER 无意漏掉的可能性很小,即使当时漏掉,OLD LADY 何不说对不起并解释会很快补发,反而说了那些让孩子蒙羞的话。过后又在孩子们面前提起,即使不点名道姓,而做VOLUNTEER的家长中只有一个在织毛线,孩子们难道就听不懂OLD LADY在指谁了吗?这么露骨地"教育"孩子,岂能怪孩子敏感?错在OLD LADY是无疑的,只是LZ做VOLUNTEER时织毛线而引起他人不必要的误解以及事发后所做的也有不妥才将此事搞得被动。应告诉孩子,她没有错,错在大人们。跟孩子商量是否换个学校,或许孩子会觉舒服些。


最初由 丑娃 发布
好消息要与大家分享!

感谢所有关注和帮助支持我的人!

上周末给学校留了言表示仍想与她们谈谈。昨日收到了校长的电话表示因为膝盖受伤没有及时回复。今日与她们两位沟通很长时间。
首先大家都非常客气友好,然后校长主动讲了她任校长及高中英语老师的一些经历和体会,令我们顿时觉得百分之七八十是孩子敏感而产生的误解。而老太太(请容忍这个称谓,为保持上下文一致,绝没有不恭之意)则很少插话只是一口咬定没有那样说过。校长表示非常理解孩子的想法,行为。她们解释绝不会特意批评某个孩子,即使说什么也是以一般性要点对全班孩子说,她们估计是我女儿过于敏感而误解。至于为什么我女儿没拿到感谢信,解释是估计匆忙中正好遗失了。(解释通常演出过后就发感想信,剩下没发出的则过后发)校长也认为任何Volunteer都应得到感谢,她听到有个家长反映说我织毛线,认为如果当时那位家长觉得不妥应立即指出,至少需要帮手直接了当告诉我。而我看到因Volunteer引起女儿受到伤害当然有权力生气,不满。校长表现得这么通情达理,我们当然不想再去追究谁是谁非。校长还一再表示我女儿非常聪明有天赋非常喜欢她怎么可能想伤害她呢。老太太在校长的启发询问下也频频点头称是,并表示要与女儿亲自交谈。后来专门接女儿过来单独与两位老师交流了一下。女儿开始不愿意很紧张,后来我们鼓励她。她出来后似乎还好。

其实我印象中的这位校长精力充沛,快人快语,头脑清晰,思路敏捷,谈吐锋利,明事理,识大体,没想到收到那样一封信的确心灰意冷,一下子就觉她们怎么这么虚伪呀。

现在想来,大多数人还是愿意沟通交流的。误会难免!只要还有诚意去解决问题,那我们就要去努力。

另外一个体会:我也征求过加拿大朋友的意见,她们几乎一致的一个答案是"你有权力生气和发怒"。而第一封信其实已经征求过一位加拿大老师的看法了。那么,当事情发生时,西方人普遍更倾向于立刻沟通,而觉不公时他们大多都会交涉到底。而我们许多人因为各种各样的原因选择息事宁人,得过切过。对于我们在这里受教育,将来在这里立足的下一代,我宁愿给他们树立个榜样,鼓励他们勇敢的去面对,去解决问题,决不能逃避,或者委屈求全。
还有我们的传统文化令大多数中国人谦卑而缺乏勇敢.其实咨询了一些加拿大朋友,他们认为我并没有过分之处.当然我以后用词一定谨慎,学会了一词,Chinese-Canadian既使要用也不能用Canadian-Chinese.至于知毛线,校长都说我下次做完全可以带,只要不影响正事.她的潜台词是我有权力带 当然我们还是尽可能地按照这里的习俗比较好.

看来加拿大人更加懂得自己应有的权力,也比较尊重别人的权力.
看来我们要想真正溶入这个社会,不仅要学英语,学习俗,还要充分意识到应有的权力.在充分享受了个人权力的同时才会反过来更加尊重别人的权力.
看来只要有勇气有毅力去解决,无论我们英语是否很好,还是有希望得到相对公平的!

我非常感谢鼓励我的朋友们。如果能从我们的经历中学到教训有所收获的确也是一件好事。
 
Re: 做义工还要符合加拿大的标准吗?

非常赞同你的话,前两天在公车上看到一幕,一位白人老太太上车时,在老幼病残孕座位上坐着很多本地人,当然多是年轻人,没人让座,只有我们的同胞起身让座(同胞坐在离老幼病残孕座位最近的普通座位上),可笑的是,不说谢也就罢了,不去责怪那些坐在老幼病残孕座位的人也就罢了,反倒向我们的同胞使脸色,好象同胞占了她的位置,可笑。难道这就是“加拿大的标准”,我看他们还是想找软柿子捏吧。
这位妈妈,孩子幼小的心灵不能受到这种人的伤害。请你替孩子讨个说法。
最初由 丑娃 发布


真有些无可奈何: 做义工还要符合加拿大的标准吗?
我们总是尽量学习符合当地习俗,可加拿大大多数当地人恐怕当我们来淘金的.这样分析有道理吧?

无论怎样我们不可有卑微的心理.
 
要想调查那个老太有没有说,问问孩子的同学就是了
 
Re: Re: 做义工还要符合加拿大的标准吗?

最初由 耳朵 发布
非常赞同你的话,前两天在公车上看到一幕,一位白人老太太上车时,在老幼病残孕座位上坐着很多本地人,当然多是年轻人,没人让座,只有我们的同胞起身让座(同胞坐在离老幼病残孕座位最近的普通座位上),可笑的是,不说谢也就罢了,不去责怪那些坐在老幼病残孕座位的人也就罢了,反倒向我们的同胞使脸色,好象同胞占了她的位置,可笑。难道这就是“加拿大的标准”,我看他们还是想找软柿子捏吧。
这位妈妈,孩子幼小的心灵不能受到这种人的伤害。请你替孩子讨个说法。

AGREE.

Why so many Chinese here only care about their own interests and blame LZ for knitting? Those people only care about their own "image" whether it would be damaged by LZ's knitting or not.

As you've noticed, in Canada, even for some of the criminals, they still get the strong support from their family, not to mention what LZ did just knitting. Why LZ could not get a strong support from those people who come from the same country as LZ? Why so many people are only focusing on LZ's volunteer job? Don't you think the child is the only victim in this case? I knew there are some of the non-Chinese volunteers who read their own books when volunteering. Is there any difference between reading one's own book and knitting one 's sweater?

Stop blaming LZ for knitting. I would say that LZ did nothing wrong. In this case, if the teacher or other volunteers thought the knitting was unacceptable, they could have pointed out directly to LZ; they could have assigned some jobs to LZ to do... . They just shouldn't hurt the child behind her mother.

For those people who think LZ damaged the image of Chinese, I would say, she didn't, and you are the one who is damaging the image of Chinese. Because, from you, others can easily regard Chinese as a plate of dry sand who would never support each other.

So, let's stop blaming LZ and, be supportive.

( Finally, sorry for writing in English. Due to some technical issues, the Chinese Language software was removed from my computer. )
 
Don't forget decades ago Chinese was the only race not allowed to immigrate to this country.

Things changed drastically now, but don't expect everybody just throw this discrimination stuff out of the window completely.
 
建议楼主写投诉信时,用中文写一遍,便于整理思路和结构。

老太太当众在孩子面前数落家长,肯定是不对的。

楼主完全没必要,在投诉信里,将此事上升为民族矛盾,并主动揭发其他中国家长的行为。
 
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