精华 4月13日星期天, 下午1点到4点 渥太华“宣传西藏真相，维护祖国统一”集会

[夜色]

死ぬ行く,everyone has freedom of speech

"Go die"?
Dude, first of all, this website is PRIVATELY owned and operated, and most certainly never claimed to be "objective", thus anything you say is subject to moderation. Your "freedom of speech" does not quite apply here, not to mention I most certainly was merely countering what little sense your speech made. Freedom of speech does not equal to you saying whatever you want and get away with it.
Secondly, if you truly cared (I don't know, you seem to be just another troll), freedom of speech does not give you the right to employ the use of wordings that bring about condescesion against a particular group of people, in this case, the people who decide to go to the march. By calling them "stupid" you have incited anger from many, and you hope to use "freedom of speech" as a defense? If you offered an argument of sorts, sensical or not, I would give you some credit, but so far, all I saw was attempts at either ranting or snide remarks. To put it simply, you fail at what you are trying to do.
泣く行く~

 

[如假包换的马甲]

我不支持藏独，不喜欢看到藏独。但我坚决支持西藏人有决定藏独的权利。

 

[夜色]

拜托！

以为老外不知道你的想法吗？你的观点其实是非常不民主的观点。 你有什么权利反对藏独？你是西藏人吗？

我好像从来没听说非魁北克的加拿大人觉得自己有权利反对魁北克独立。

老外对西藏的看法可能被西方媒体误导，但是，这跟反对藏独无关。

你这样的做法，正好印证了老外觉得中国人野蛮，不民主的看法。

Tibet is, as of now, part of China. Chinese opinions should of course be valued. This is not a matter of "having the right to oppose" or not.

I do agree that we should use the approach that would minimize the chance of an onlooker becoming pre-occupied with anti-China sentiments, and thus I do not agree with the use of hardline messages that promote opposition rather than cooperation.

but I don't see any contradiction here - as long as we do not claim to use force to unite (something that really doesn't need to be said), it would make sense to clear up misconceptions from exaggerated claims such as "All Tibetans want independence" or "There is a cultural genocide in Tibet", and thus denouncing the motives as well as the methods of the so-called "Tibet Independence Movement" from one that calls for human rights to one that is merely interested in destablizing the current situation and cause the suffering of many, both Han and Tibetan. This would be an indirect approach to express our opinions that Tibetan Independence is, simply put, the unrealistic goal of a few radical Tibetan ethnic idealists and our position against them.

And of course, there will also be those that are unwilling to listen to a voice of reason and letting emotional and idealistic issues take hold - to counter these people, I think we need a few irrationals of our own too.

 

[小小邪]

死ぬ行く,everyone has freedom of speech

てめえー、本当の日本人？
もし日本人じゃなかったら、変装しないでね。

 

[夜色]

我不支持藏独，不喜欢看到藏独。但我坚决支持西藏人有决定藏独的权利。

This is where people differ on their ideals - even though you and me both hope that Tibet situation would improve and some of the anger that Tibetans felt towards their Han-Chinese countrymen subside, my bottom line is "Tibet cannot separate", regardless of their opinions.
I'm Chinese, Chinese interest comes before ANYTHING. I support democracy, because democracy will be good for China in my opinion. Tibet independence is hurtful to the Chinese incentive on so many levels, that if allowed independence, would not only cause problems on a geopolitical level, but also destablize domestic political system to a very large extent, something that I think will most definitely cause more harm than good.
So, Tibetans should be given more attention, their plight should be looked at with greater care and solutions to the problem should be more subtle - but separation will never be the answer.

 

[小小邪]

我不支持藏独，不喜欢看到藏独。但我坚决支持西藏人有决定藏独的权利。

这是一种非常非常幼稚，非常非常装逼的说法。
阁下再过50年或许能明白。
不要一说什么就来“我不同意你的观点，但我誓死捍卫你说话的权利”这句话，你的做作让我做呕。

 

[bbcckk]

我不支持藏独，不喜欢看到藏独。但我坚决支持西藏人有决定藏独的权利。

good good good points, i support u!!

 

[bbcckk]

"Go die"?
Dude, first of all, this website is PRIVATELY owned and operated, and most certainly never claimed to be "objective", thus anything you say is subject to moderation. Your "freedom of speech" does not quite apply here, not to mention I most certainly was merely countering what little sense your speech made. Freedom of speech does not equal to you saying whatever you want and get away with it.
Secondly, if you truly cared (I don't know, you seem to be just another troll), freedom of speech does not give you the right to employ the use of wordings that bring about condescesion against a particular group of people, in this case, the people who decide to go to the march. By calling them "stupid" you have incited anger from many, and you hope to use "freedom of speech" as a defense? If you offered an argument of sorts, sensical or not, I would give you some credit, but so far, all I saw was attempts at either ranting or snide remarks. To put it simply, you fail at what you are trying to do.
泣く行く~

well, sorry i donot card that u wrote that lots of fuck notes, i just wanne tell u freedom of speech applies to anywhere,remember that one. remember ANYWHERE in Canada included any websites

 

[自然]

支持 and I will come to 集会.

 

[夜色]

well, sorry i donot card that u wrote that lots of fuck notes, i just wanne tell u freedom of speech applies to anywhere,remember that one. remember ANYWHERE in Canada included any websites

Um, what?
"you donot 'card'"?
"lots of fuck notes"?

Ignorance truly knows no bounds. I'll stop replying... well there wasn't much to reply in the first place.

 

[wtw]

My slogan
"Shame On Tibetan Separatist"

 

[nowhere001]

强力支持！
但有一些自己的想法和建议。首先，这次如果是以“宣传西藏事件真相，维护祖国统一”的集会名义，我觉得是一个比较好的选择，那么这样一个集会就要以宣传为主，让加拿大广大群众了解西藏的历史，现在，及这次事件的真实情况，并结合有力的证据（如摘截的图片等）揭露西方媒体的歪曲报道，揭露他们的丑恶嘴脸。如果是以抗议示威的形式，那么我们就要明确一下抗议示威的宗旨，内容。西藏是中国的一个自治区，西藏问题属于中国内政，那么我们跑到加拿大来抗议达赖集团分裂祖国就有点莫名其妙了。所以，如果是以抗议，示威的形式，那么就应该是抗议加拿大领导人干涉中国内政，不负责任的在西藏问题上的言论和做法，以及加拿大等一些西方媒体歪曲事实的报道，并籍此向广大加拿大群众宣传西藏真相，揭露达赖集团分裂祖国的嘴脸。即使是以集会的名义，那么如果喊抗议口号时，我个人觉得也不要喊抗议达赖集团，抗议分裂祖国的口号，因为首先这是在加拿大，对达赖藏独集团的处理是中国的内政，在加拿大的土地上抗议达赖集团就表示了对他的承认，所以不能让人钻这样的空子。
另外我对北美，欧洲各个地方的华人团体组织集会前所发的“集会注意事项或要求”等提一下自己的建议。能主动来参加集会的，几乎全是对祖国有着一腔热血，充满热爱的炎黄子孙，虽身在海外但仍心系祖国，他们的行为非常可敬。但看看这些“注意事项”，充斥着“禁止，不准，严禁。。。”字眼，让我不得不问自己这是否还算是一个自由参加的集会。接受媒体的采访，愿意与否完全是个人的自由，每个参加集会的志愿者从大局出发，拒绝接受采访而由集会专门的发言人统一回答，只能说体现了集会参加志愿者的大局观念，但“注意事项”中不应该用生硬的口吻来剥夺每个志愿者向媒体发表见解的自由。另外那天看了一个美国战争题材的影片，一个小队出发之前头领向众人说道“绝不能抛下战死或受伤的战友”。如果我是一个战士，我也希望我为之而战的国家能向我说同样的话。因此，我多么希望集会“注意事项”中有这么一句“无论发生什么情况，绝不能抛下参加游行集会的同胞不管”。

 

[lindamy]

拜托！

以为老外不知道你的想法吗？你的观点其实是非常不民主的观点。 你有什么权利反对藏独？你是西藏人吗？

我好像从来没听说非魁北克的加拿大人觉得自己有权利反对魁北克独立。

老外对西藏的看法可能被西方媒体误导，但是，这跟反对藏独无关。

你这样的做法，正好印证了老外觉得中国人野蛮，不民主的看法。

我怎么没有权利反对分裂祖国的行为？现在连达赖都没有要求独立，只是要求自治。

任何加拿大人都有权利反对魁独。无论是支持还是反对魁独，只要是和平方式，都是允许的。使用了暴力，只好镇压。

 

[wuwei]

这是一种非常非常幼稚，非常非常装逼的说法。
阁下再过50年或许能明白。
不要一说什么就来“我不同意你的观点，但我誓死捍卫你说话的权利”这句话，你的做作让我做呕。

当一个人以为某些事是"正义"的时候他/她会很理直气壮去说,做不做得到是一回事,世界上没有几个人会真的"誓死"去做跟自己无关的事的,绝大多数都是选对自己有利的方向说.这现实跟漂亮话是有很大的距离的,显得有些人"装逼"就在此,但是当某些人看起来"装逼"时他/她不一定知道的,所以不一定算是"装逼"啦.

 

[gegewu]

强力支持！
人的自由，每个参加集会的志愿者从大局出发，拒绝接受采访而由集会专门的发言人统一回答，只能说体现了集会参加志愿者的大局观念，但“注意事项”中不应该用生硬的口吻来剥夺每个志愿者向媒体发表见解的自由。另外那天看了一个美国战争题材的影片，一个小队出发之前头领向众人说道“绝不能抛下战死或受伤的战友”。如果我是一个战士，我也希望我为之而战的国家能向我说同样的话。因此，我多么希望集会“注意事项”中有这么一句“无论发生什么情况，绝不能抛下参加游行集会的同胞不管”。

还有一个问题我觉得外媒报道不属实，这个也是集会另外一个目的吧。