French vs English School

[ocean_deep]

I spent half day review the 09 elementary school report cards and not surprising found most of the higher ranking schools in Ottawa are French catholic schools. It looks like they make efforts in academic, which is what we want the kids to do too.

To my surprise, one of the top french school is just within the walking distance from where we live(but i've never noticed it before).

The dilemma now is that even the best of our three designated English schools from OCDSB ranks only less than 5 out 10 :<, and the overall trend of these schools' performance are getting worse and worse. !!!

Any Mom thinks it is practical to send kids to a French school, even the parents no nothing about Frence at all ? Do they follow all the French edcation system later on for high schools ?

Just for now. Thanks for any inputs !

 

[Sean Mama]

这是个很好话题，让妈妈们都进来说说，特别是孩子们都比较大的妈妈们，她们就更有经验了。

为什么法语学校总是表现好些？我知道其中一个原因，请大家不要不高兴，只是实话实说，就是很多新移民家庭的孩子都不在这种纯法语的学校。也知道有几位中国妈妈把孩子也送去了，都是经过打拼的结果。

 

[rosam]

I thought only french or the at least one of the parents educated from a french school, then their kids can go to french school. You have to show documents and stuff like that to the school. This is what they so call the right for french to educate in their own language, whatever, baloney! I wanted to put my kids in a french school, but I'm not qualified.

 

[Sean Mama]

I thought only french or the at least one of the parents educated from a french school, then their kids can go to french school. You have to show documents and stuff like that to the school. This is what they so call the right for french to educate in their own language, whatever, baloney! I wanted to put my kids in a french school, but I'm not qualified.

你可以，就象我认识的那些妈妈一样，如果你是移民。直接找校长或负责招生的负责人，陈述你是多么多么希望孩子能接受法语教育，法语是多么的重要，作为新移民...软硬兼施，死缠烂打（是有点难听），但成功率很高，不仅能这样坚持做到的人不多。一般来说，很多人得到地一次拒绝后就不会再试了。是成功的妈妈们告诉我的。

 

[C est La Vie]

I thought only french or the at least one of the parents educated from a french school, then their kids can go to french school. You have to show documents and stuff like that to the school. This is what they so call the right for french to educate in their own language, whatever, baloney! I wanted to put my kids in a french school, but I'm not qualified.

Total baloney!

Don't other people have the right to educate their children in their own language, such as Chinese?

This is unfair. Power talks. The French has power, that's all.

 

[C est La Vie]

Bye Bye Ontario's Catholic School Board...
Check this out...The United Nations has declaired that Ontario's Catholic School Boards are in direct violation with the Covenant of Human Rights...scary, no?...Oh...by the way...they declaired them illegal 8 YEARS AGO!

Here's the 1999 ruling...
www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/(Sym.....endocument

As a product of the Catholic school board, I have determined that it is totally useless...the religion class/movie-watching class we have takes up 75 minutes a day and 1 credit a year...a credit that could be better spent taking a USEFUL class...

Upwards of 50% of the students in my school have no religious affiliation (besides having all the Catholic stuff done to them before they could object), are atheists or are from different religions and are just attending the school because it is close.

It's time to get rid of the Catholic school boards...I'd say keep em if they instilled a few morals into people...but as my Atheist Religion teacher once told me...

"You can't instil morals into teens when you're trying to instil fear into them as well..."

any thoughts?...

erl

 

[C est La Vie]

Did you know that the Ontario Catholic school system is the only publicly funded religious school system in Canada? That means that if you’re an Ontario taxpayer, you’re helping to fund a religious education for about a million students—even if you’re not Catholic. And of course, while we all share the same tax burden, it’s only those of Roman Catholic faith that are guaranteed the choice of publicly-funded schools.

And isn’t also curious—especially during election time—that political parties and politicians are arguing over how to best invest in education, and at a time when cutbacks are continuously being made to the educational system, that we continue to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into maintaining two separate school boards, one of which has the legal right to discriminate against non-Catholic students and teachers? It’s true, the United Nations censured Canada two times for discriminating against its own citizens by fully-funding Catholic schools to the exclusion of others.

And of course, there’s the tens of thousands of Catholic school students—I was one of them—who are bussed past the nearest publicly-funded school to another publicly-funded school. Now, isn’t this financially and environmentally irresponsible to be wasting so much in so many ways on a 150-year old institution that some people say isn’t even necessary anymore? And isn’t this religious segregation? Aren’t we undermining the development of a tolerant and respectful community of students in Ontario?

Find out where your politicians, your candidates, stand on fixing the educational system. Remember, governments may make school systems, but you make governments. This is Moment of YOUth.
The Ontario Catholic School Board

 

[ocean_deep]

Let's talk about the education again. It took a lot of courage for a Chinese couple to send and keep kids in a French school, but how do kids learn English afterwards ? At home, only chinese is already a load of work.

At the same time, my focus is not the language, but the academic. Say if there is a Chinese school with good scores, I would definitely consider it. It's getting harder and harder to ask kids study and work hard. Right ? That's why a good school environment becomes important to us.

I am still searching for answers.....

 

[wiki]

不知道LZ指的French Catholic School是哪几家。据我所知，去年排名靠前的几家基本上都是French Public School，比如Kanata的Kanata，Orleans的Des Sentiers, Le Prelude, Franco-Jeunesse等。我不觉得catholic school的教学质量比public school高。

我听说的跟rosam一样，是说如果母语不是法文，那父母一方要在小学或中学受过法文教育的才能上法文学校。我查了查French Public School的注册规定，的确是这样的：

Qui peut fréquenter l'école publique de langue française?

Le CEPEO accueille tous les élèves à la recherche d'une éducation de haute qualité en langue française. Pour être admis à ses écoles, l'élève doit répondre aux critères stipulés à l'article 23 de la Charte canadienne des droits et libertés et dans la Loi sur l'éducation en Ontario.

L'élève doit donc répondre aux critères suivants :

Lieu de résidence

· l’élève réside en Ontario sur le territoire scolaire du Conseil des écoles publiques de l'Est de l'Ontario (CEPEO);

· le père, la mère, la tutrice ou le tuteur est contribuable au Conseil des écoles publiques de l'Est de l'Ontario.

Langue

Le père, la mère, la tutrice ou le tuteur doit rencontrer l'un ou l'autre des critères linguistiques suivants : 父亲，母亲，监护人须满足以下语言要求：

· la première langue apprise et encore comprise est le français; 母语为法文
· il ou elle a reçu son instruction, au niveau élémentaire, en français au Canada; 父母一方或监护人的小学或中学教育是法文
· il ou elle est parent, tutrice ou tuteur d'un enfant qui a reçu ou reçoit son instruction, au niveau élémentaire ou secondaire, en français au Canada. 已经有孩子在法文小学或中学读书


Âge

À l’élémentaire, l'élève admis doit :

· avoir atteint l'âge de 4 ans avant le 31 décembre de l'année scolaire pour être inscrit à la maternelle;
· avoir atteint l'âge de 5 ans avant le 31 décembre de l'année scolaire pour être inscrit au jardin;
· avoir atteint l'âge de 6 ans avant le 31 décembre de l'année scolaire pour être inscrit en 1ère année.

Au secondaire, l’élève doit avoir terminé avec succès ses études élémentaires.

Comité d’admission

L’élève qui ne répond pas aux critères mentionnés ci-haut pourrait être admis à l’école publique de langue française si sa demande d’admission est approuvée à la majorité des voix par les membres du Conseil.

 

[还很远]

胡乱的想，文盲的孩子是否没有权利上学了？

 

[rosam]

It's unfair. My husband took french at school,but it was in Winnipeg, there who cares about French. it's was compulsory, part of the education. I also took a bit of french, but there no environment for you to talk, you lost it. If you live in quebec city for a couple of years, sure you can pick up some. (basically, people there can't speak a word of english, they live in their own universe.) Now my son will go to catholic school 'coz my husband is catholic and my kids are baptized. Anyways, do you know which catholic elementary/high schools in Kanata/stittsville are good/ Any info.?

 

[wiki]

It's unfair. My husband took french at school,but it was in Winnipeg, there who cares about French. it's was compulsory, part of the education. I also took a bit of french, but there no environment for you to talk, you lost it. If you live in quebec city for a couple of years, sure you can pick up some. (basically, people there can't speak a word of english, they live in their own universe.) Now my son will go to catholic school 'coz my husband is catholic and my kids are baptized. Anyways, do you know which catholic elementary/high schools in Kanata/stittsville are good/ Any info.?

It's not just receiving courses in French, what the shcool board meant was that at least one of the parents must have studied in French schools for their elementary or secondary education.

 

[wiki]

不过我们现在也还在犹豫：一方面希望孩子能成为真正的双语，一方面又担心上了法文学校不好跟孩子交流，也没法辅导作业等。

 

[C est La Vie]

打算在渥村长久待下去的话，特别是想进政府干活，你还非得让你孩子读法文不可（中文读不读就算了，中国人不能跟法裔人比，没有language right...)

本来我挺喜欢学语言的，但现在我学法语就感觉像是在被强奸。刚刚又收到invitation to reply a position in the government. 一看，不出所料， 又是bilingual的。。。

 

[zijiema]

为什么要上法语学校呢，英语学校不是也学法语的吗？

而且我看这边英语区的人法语都不错嘛！

从长远来看，我倒觉得以英语为主比较重要。

毕竟现在的法语世界已经不行了。