昨晚教育局关于Gifted Program 的讨论会

这么说的话,如果一个普普通通的孩子,通过补习班、家长的强化教育、还有其他手段,获得了gifted的“荣誉”,进入gifted program,面对这么多的 "nerd and meanie",是不是有动物凶猛的感觉?


如果在中国,为了你的孩子当鸡头,你会把你的孩子送到山区希望小学吗?
 
你没有看懂我的意思。我的意思其实是,这个Gifted和中文或者国内的“天才班”两码事,国内所谓天才班,可能比希望小学好了,不是这里讨论的范畴。这里的Gifted Program,被老中翻译成天才班,是“小学,高中,大学”里那个好字,没有上去就相对是“坏”的,和国内山区希望小学一类的,这其实是一个误区。
Gifted Program是Special Education的一种,针对的是一类 Special的学生,我没有唱衰谁,就是说说看法,也不想抬杠抬到监狱里自学去。


"揠苗助长", "苦了孩子", "Gifted并不是好学生集中营,而是聪明但有问题、普通学校handle不了的孩子该去的地方" 都是你说的吧?

有一点我基本可以肯定,你孩子去的普通班上的孩子,将来当蓝领工人的比例,比天才班要高。也就是说,你孩子有机会认识更多的蓝领工人,恭喜你。

家里无Gifted,算是无发言权

你发言不少,基本是唱衰
 
呵呵,算了。不喜欢争论,也没法和你这种人交流。提醒一下,说自己的看法没关系,别把别人孩子牵扯进去。

提醒一下,说自己的看法没关系,别把别人孩子牵扯进去:


"揠苗助长",
"苦了孩子",
"Gifted并不是好学生集中营,而是聪明但有问题、普通学校handle不了的孩子该去的地方"
 
我认为Gifted不错,相对而言,作业量是大点,难点,可以锻炼孩子,到了大学,相对而言,压力小一些。
 
正是,我看很多家长希望这样并且有些身体力行,就是苦了孩子。

我认识不少Gifted的学生,看他们很开心啊,不上Gifted就不苦,什么逻辑。
 
天才很轻松就能过线,但过了线的不一定是天才。所以感觉上的有点累的话,还是退出好。

这倒是对的,累了,还是退出的好。
 
My kid started gifted program from early school year. Kids in gifted program and regular program can all do well academically. No doubt about it. They can be equally successful in their life. But I have to agree that the gifted kids usually possess higher cognitive capability in early ages. Staying around students with similar capability would definitely benefit. BTW, gifted students are not students with behavior issues, students with behavior issues belong to class called SSU (student support units).

My kid represented OCDSB to compete in a subject in provincial level. There are 10 competents from all ontario in his category. Also there is an introductory of each competent about what they like, etc. There is also home school teacher evaluation.

Almost all other students are evaluated by the teacher as good student and all around student good on many subjects.

The teacher of my kid evaluated him as "highly bright student, very creative and always think out of the box".

From the above evaluation, it is easy to understand what is the strength of gifted students.
 
不要搞得这么复杂。gifted 学生就是学习成绩好。不知道你说的 "do well academically", "cognitive capability" 指的是什么。不错,gifted 考试是 "Canadian Cognitive Abilities Test (CCAT)", 但具体的是 CCAT Verbal, CCAT Quantitative, and CCAT Non-verbal. 还有一个考试是 Canadian Achievement Test (CAT), 具体的是 Reading Comprehension and Mathematics.


Kids in gifted program and regular program can all do well academically. No doubt about it. They can be equally successful in their life. But I have to agree that the gifted kids usually possess higher cognitive capability in early ages.
 
My few points for reference:

1. Gifted program has nothing to do with 天才. It has the same curriculum as regular program, with deeper/broader content.

2. At the beginning of each term, teacher will work with parents to identify kid's special needs and areas to improve. Then review the result at the end of each term in this program.

3. Like any schools, academic achievement is always secondary goal in education. Bad/bully behavior will not be encouraged. This is no different in gifted program.

4. Although a lot of schools offer gifted programs, only several ones are official.

5. Haven't seen a kid not enjoying the program personally. Perhaps there is always a special case.

6. Education is a big task that requires contribution/dedication from all sides. Your kid is the result of that years of integration process. Never assume someone or some program can do that for you automatically.
 
不要搞得这么复杂。gifted 学生就是学习成绩好。不知道你说的 "do well academically", "cognitive capability" 指的是什么。不错,gifted 考试是 "Canadian Cognitive Abilities Test (CCAT)", 但具体的是 CCAT Verbal, CCAT Quantitative, and CCAT Non-verbal. 还有一个考试是 Canadian Achievement Test (CAT), 具体的是 Reading Comprehension and Mathematics.

gifted 学生就是学习成绩好 - this is wrong understanding. There are many students in gifted program who did not have good mark at all, especially non-chinese gifted students. Kids share report cards and I know that from my kid.
 
They can be equally successful in their life.

但愿如此吧。进了Gifted班并不能保证“successful",不进Gifted班的孩子在“their lives"中也有很成功的。

IQ只是其一,EQ可能更重要。

再哲学一点,什么是successful呢?
 
不知道Bill Gates是否小时候上过天才班、天才学校。只知道他大学没有读完,就拉两个哥们儿编MS DOS去了。
 
Not camparable cases

We are debating those normal "genius" which can be trained in regular system and family. Bill Gate, Paul Allen, Steven Jobs are not qualified for this kind of system.

不知道Bill Gates是否小时候上过天才班、天才学校。只知道他大学没有读完,就拉两个哥们儿编MS DOS去了。
 
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