关于罪的问题

[xiaoxiaosu]

自称跟从神的人我见多了， 有inner peace的还真没见过。

這位“曉曉“ 大概是一位年輕人，不過三十。這位“野駱駝”大概是位中年人或者長者。若果真如此，我求上帝：給這年輕人增加智慧和閲歷，祝福這位中年人或者老年人身體健康，福杯滿溢。

上帝讓太陽照好人也照歹人，讓雨水滋潤惡人也滋潤義人。但唯有跟從神的人才能享受從天上來的平安和喜樂。

若這位“曉曉“ 已年過三十， 我求上帝：早日向他顯現。

若這位“野駱駝”還未到中年，就能如此有福氣，我求上帝：多多加添力量給他，祝福他子子孫孫。

 

[CHRIS88]

自称跟从神的人我见多了， 有inner peace的还真没见过。

Hmmm, looks like you are very confident about your judgement on others.

I would like to ask you one question if you don't mind. How do you know if someone has "inner peace" or not?

 

[CHRIS88]

第一，缺什么才求什么， 有了的还要求吗？ 贪心是不是基督徒的罪呢？ 大卫王倒是求了智慧， 可是却是帮助他奸淫的智慧，此种智慧不要也罢。

No, it's not David who asked for wisdom. I would like to advise you to revisit your bible when you have time.

第二，别口口声声把基督教当真理， 或者直接把基督徒自己当真理。求而不得才是存在的意义和价值。

Jesus is the truth. I hope you can believe in Him because it is very important to you and to Him. It is important to you because if you believe in Him, He will give you His peace. It is important to Him because He wants everyone to be saved.

However, it doesn't really matter whether we believe in Him or not as far as His truthfulness is concerned. The truth is, He is the truth.

第三， 从哪里来和到哪里去同样重要。

The bible tells you where you come from and where are you heading. More importantly, it tells you that you have two very different choices.

 

[xiaoxiaosu]

你怎么知道是“HIM",不是"HER"。原来连"peace"都是HE 给的， 世界和平是 没指望了。

No, it's not David who asked for wisdom. I would like to advise you to revisit your bible when you have time.


Jesus is the truth. I hope you can believe in Him because it is very important to you and to Him. It is important to you because if you believe in Him, He will give you His peace. It is important to Him because He wants everyone to be saved.

However, it doesn't really matter whether we believe in Him or not as far as His truthfulness is concerned. The truth is, He is the truth.


The bible tells you where you come from and where are you heading. More importantly, it tells you that you have two very different choices.

 

[xiaoxiaosu]

逻辑在此变得滑稽起来。是不是重复一百遍谎言也就成为真理了？你说它是真理它就是真理了？你以为你是谁？你以为真理是什么？真理是需要求证和推理的。你的论据呢？

No, it's not David who asked for wisdom. I would like to advise you to revisit your bible when you have time.


Jesus is the truth. I hope you can believe in Him because it is very important to you and to Him. It is important to you because if you believe in Him, He will give you His peace. It is important to Him because He wants everyone to be saved.

However, it doesn't really matter whether we believe in Him or not as far as His truthfulness is concerned. The truth is, He is the truth.


The bible tells you where you come from and where are you heading. More importantly, it tells you that you have two very different choices.

 

[xiaoxiaosu]

我不否认圣经阐述了来源和终极，但是问题不在这儿。 佛教，道教，印度教， 甚至伊斯兰教都有关于天堂和地狱的描述。 关键在于你凭什么说基督教的阐述就是真理。
举个例子， 一个人买了个假名牌货，偏偏说是真的， 时间长了，重复的变数多了， 连自己都相信它是真的了。 逻辑同此。

No, it's not David who asked for wisdom. I would like to advise you to revisit your bible when you have time.


Jesus is the truth. I hope you can believe in Him because it is very important to you and to Him. It is important to you because if you believe in Him, He will give you His peace. It is important to Him because He wants everyone to be saved.

However, it doesn't really matter whether we believe in Him or not as far as His truthfulness is concerned. The truth is, He is the truth.


The bible tells you where you come from and where are you heading. More importantly, it tells you that you have two very different choices.

 

[CHRIS88]

我不否认圣经阐述了来源和终极，但是问题不在这儿。 佛教，道教，印度教， 甚至伊斯兰教都有关于天堂和地狱的描述。 关键在于你凭什么说基督教的阐述就是真理。
举个例子， 一个人买了个假名牌货，偏偏说是真的， 时间长了，重复的变数多了， 连自己都相信它是真的了。 逻辑同此。

Prove Christianity false and you will be the greatest man on earth. As a matter of fact, generations of wise men have tried and failed.

 

[focus on today]

逻辑在此变得滑稽起来。是不是重复一百遍谎言也就成为真理了？你说它是真理它就是真理了？你以为你是谁？你以为真理是什么？真理是需要求证和推理的。你的论据呢？

真理若是人造的，由人來提出論據和推理就是順理成章。

可真理不是人造的，人的推理和論據能有多大力量？人有多大能耐能證明真理？

 

[xiaoxiaosu]

先把定义和概念搞清楚。什么是真理？真理当然不是人造的， 但是人可以发现和证明真理； 就像佛教徒可以通过自身的修行来达到真觉和正觉，而基督徒可以用自身的行为来彰显主的荣耀。 谦卑是好的， 但是，万有万物都有个度， 过了头就显得假惺惺了。

真理若是人造的，由人來提出論據和推理就是順理成章。

可真理不是人造的，人的推理和論據能有多大力量？人有多大能耐能證明真理？

 

[xiaoxiaosu]

我不想证明任何东西， 也没有必要。 客观存在就是客观存在， 不以人的意志为转移，人的存在就是接近真相， 更接近真相， 和再接近真相。

Prove Christianity false and you will be the greatest man on earth. As a matter of fact, generations of wise men have tried and failed.

 

[CHRIS88]

我不想证明任何东西， 也没有必要。 客观存在就是客观存在， 不以人的意志为转移，人的存在就是接近真相， 更接近真相， 和再接近真相。

Well, Jesus is the truth. Believe it or not.

 

[CHRIS88]

先把定义和概念搞清楚。什么是真理？

那磨，请问什么是真理？真理的定义和概念是什麽？

 

[focus on today]

先把定义和概念搞清楚。什么是真理？真理当然不是人造的， 但是人可以发现和证明真理； 就像佛教徒可以通过自身的修行来达到真觉和正觉，而基督徒可以用自身的行为来彰显主的荣耀。 谦卑是好的， 但是，万有万物都有个度， 过了头就显得假惺惺了。

什麽“真觉和正觉“，如果這“觉”是觉悟的意思，那觉悟出的東西就不敢恭維是“真理” 因爲它可能因人而異。真應該是在任何情況下都是真- 絕對真理。

“基督徒的好行爲” 是從真理來的還是從個人或集團需要來的？什麽叫好行爲？用誰的標準？買主的猶大說， 那香膏賣了周濟窮人是好行爲，給耶穌抹腳是浪費；
還有人說耶穌與稅吏一起吃飯是不好的行爲，耶穌應該恨稅吏，遠離稅吏才是好行爲；安息日給人治病是不好的行爲，不給人治病是好行爲；。。。。

那真理的大牌到底是什麽？在造物主面前，怎樣去思考我們的知識，我們的邏輯，我們的證據，我們的追求？人在世上走一趟的真理在哪裏？

 

[xiaoxiaosu]

什么是真觉和正觉你都搞不清， 我不知道你在这儿争论什么。 还是那句话， 先把概念和定义搞清楚。也还是那句话， 学习学习再学习。 有热情是好的， 过了头，就是盲目了。

什麽“真觉和正觉“，如果這“觉”是觉悟的意思，那觉悟出的東西就不敢恭維是“真理” 因爲它可能因人而異。真應該是在任何情況下都是真- 絕對真理。

 

[野骆驼]

什么是真觉和正觉你都搞不清， 我不知道你在这儿争论什么。 还是那句话， 先把概念和定义搞清楚。也还是那句话， 学习学习再学习。 有热情是好的， 过了头，就是盲目了。

真觉是虛幻；正觉是虛幻；概念是虛幻；定义是虛幻；热情是虛幻；学习是虛幻。
本沒有什麼过头；本沒有什麼盲目。
菩提本無樹，明鏡亦非台。
有什麼好爭的。
本來無一物，何處惹塵埃（慧能）。