Liu Yong, please answer the phone!!

[sky_walker]

实在看不下去了，Tarus, 如果你先回他email，你先付钱，他不会找律师，律师就不会让他不回应你。他用的是法律手段，你用的是威胁惑众的手段。懂了吗?再回帖，说明不仅品差，脑子也不好使。

You don't even know what's the mechanic lien.

"eHome Renovation" won't get any business due to the record of putting mechanic lien in local white community.

Do you know the reason?

The white community is always to check the record first. My bank officer told me there is no one to use the contractors with the record of the mechanic lien.

 

[西街烛光]

You don't even know what's the mechanic lien.

"eHome Renovation" won't get any business due to the record of putting mechanic lien in local white community.

Do you know the reason?

The white community is always to check the record first. My bank officer told me there is no one to use the contractors with the record of the mechanic lien.

楼上有人说你脑子不够用，现在我信了。

你以为加拿大的商家或生意人很在意自己客户的数量吗？

如果说在意
他们在意的是能为有品客户服务，或者说为优质客户服务，而把劣质客户记录在黑名单里，尽量避免此类服务，因为----犯不上----这三个字全世界人民都懂。

加拿大大部分商家对优质客户都是并不太在意你来不来，爱来不来，不来，正好歇会儿，更何况是品低客户。

刘勇倒霉不是没选对地板，而是倒霉在没选对服务对象, 或者是干脆就没有选客户的概念, 不过你给他上了一课，也好，省着以后还蛮干

 

[morning morning]

楼上有人说你脑子不够用，现在我信了。

你以为加拿大的商家或生意人很在意自己客户的数量吗？

如果说在意
他们更在意的是能为有品客户服务，或者说有机会为优质客户服务，而把劣质客户记录在黑名单里，尽量避免此类服务，因为----犯不上----这三个字全世界人民都懂。

加拿大大部分商家对优质客户都是并不太在意你来不来，爱来不来，不来，正好歇会儿，更何况是品低客户。

刘勇倒霉不是没选对地板，而是倒霉在没选对服务对象, 或者是干脆就没有选的概念, 不过你给他上了一课，也好，省着以后还蛮干

如果刘勇以前没得选，经此一事，客户会排着队也要等老刘了

 

[irish]

在买房卖房坛也有楼主发的相同的帖。我还纳闷哪里怎么冷清。原来主贴在此。
把我的问题转贴到此。


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作者: irish 查看帖子
I think your best defense to a mechanic's lien is having made payment in full to the general contractor or the person who has filed the lien. Are you sure if the general contractor filed the lien ? Could it be the subcontractor or supplier did that(looks the general contractor only received the labor fee) ? Who should pay the material fee to the supplier ? Everything should be spelled out in the contract if you have one.
As my lawyer told me to pay in full to the lawyer who registered the mechanic lien for the contractor.

There is no contract in our case. Your questions is suitable for big construction project. There is only one contractor in our case.

Anyway, mechanic lien is invalid as soon as the full amount is paid. Its purpose is to secure the payment. In fact, the contractor should notify me before registering mechanic lien, otherwise it's invalid already.

Tarus:

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作者: irish 查看帖子
谢”天涯断肠人“的提醒，用中文发帖。回到Mechanic Lien的话题上来。现在还无法弄清事实，对错更说不清。
楼主说没签合同。我一直有个疑问。没有合同对方怎么能随便把欠债压到你的房子上呢？对方有什么证据证明楼主欠钱？难道安省的法律和别的地方不同，不要证据就可以把欠债加到房子上？
我一般找人装修房子，如数额不大，都是双方口头上的君子协定。做好出现最坏情况不打官司的准备。如数额教大，又是现金交易，你想保护自己，可要求对方开收据。如对方也想保护自己，收据上只写收到多少钱，并不说明税款。这种收据只作对方提供服务你付款的证明， 无其它。此收据用不到其它地方。有其它用途，事先最好讲好。随便聊聊。
I apologize that I don't have Chinese software and have to type in English.

If we are not in need to sell or refinance the house, we can challenge the Machenic lien in court due to no written contract, and also the Contractor failed to notify us before registering the lien, contesting the lien takes time. The lawyer helped the contractor filing the lien based on the contractor's oral statements, and notarized whatever the contract said are true.

Irish:
坚持中文发帖。给自己加油。避免作对错判断，多问问题明白道理以避免以后犯同样的错误。
1. Tarus称：只要有经过公证的口头陈述表明楼主欠债就可以把债押到房子上。难道对方还有除合同以外的旁证吗？如果没有有力的证据，对方这样作的风险是什么？对方难道不怕输了官司要赔付楼主的律师费及其他损失吗？
2. 从楼主的多个回帖看，楼主想尽快了结此事。是为了破财消灾而不和对方计较对错（我想楼主有此倾向），还是什么地方被对方抓住了把柄而陷于被动？ 难道说对方只要把Lien押到你的房子上（不管有没有理由），你就得举手投降？法律只保护一方? 有懂行给个说法。
3. eHome Renovation 有没有对其他客户干同样的事？ 有没有其他苦主啊？如果有，是有些可怕。
4. 至今没看到对方的说法。对整个过程只有单方的解释。

我承认不聪明。不思辨，不吸取教训，聪明不了。期待对此事件多方的陈述。

 

[lindamy]

在买房卖房坛也有楼主发的相同的帖。我还纳闷哪里怎么冷清。原来主贴在此。
把我的问题转贴到此。


引用:
作者: irish 查看帖子
I think your best defense to a mechanic's lien is having made payment in full to the general contractor or the person who has filed the lien. Are you sure if the general contractor filed the lien ? Could it be the subcontractor or supplier did that(looks the general contractor only received the labor fee) ? Who should pay the material fee to the supplier ? Everything should be spelled out in the contract if you have one.
As my lawyer told me to pay in full to the lawyer who registered the mechanic lien for the contractor.

There is no contract in our case. Your questions is suitable for big construction project. There is only one contractor in our case.

Anyway, mechanic lien is invalid as soon as the full amount is paid. Its purpose is to secure the payment. In fact, the contractor should notify me before registering mechanic lien, otherwise it's invalid already.

Tarus:

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作者: irish 查看帖子
谢”天涯断肠人“的提醒，用中文发帖。回到Mechanic Lien的话题上来。现在还无法弄清事实，对错更说不清。
楼主说没签合同。我一直有个疑问。没有合同对方怎么能随便把欠债压到你的房子上呢？对方有什么证据证明楼主欠钱？难道安省的法律和别的地方不同，不要证据就可以把欠债加到房子上？
我一般找人装修房子，如数额不大，都是双方口头上的君子协定。做好出现最坏情况不打官司的准备。如数额教大，又是现金交易，你想保护自己，可要求对方开收据。如对方也想保护自己，收据上只写收到多少钱，并不说明税款。这种收据只作对方提供服务你付款的证明， 无其它。此收据用不到其它地方。有其它用途，事先最好讲好。随便聊聊。
I apologize that I don't have Chinese software and have to type in English.

If we are not in need to sell or refinance the house, we can challenge the Machenic lien in court due to no written contract, and also the Contractor failed to notify us before registering the lien, contesting the lien takes time. The lawyer helped the contractor filing the lien based on the contractor's oral statements, and notarized whatever the contract said are true.

Irish:
坚持中文发帖。给自己加油。避免作对错判断，多问问题明白道理以避免以后犯同样的错误。
1. Tarus称：只要有经过公证的口头陈述表明楼主欠债就可以把债押到房子上。难道对方还有除合同以外的旁证吗？如果没有有力的证据，对方这样作的风险是什么？对方难道不怕输了官司要赔付楼主的律师费及其他损失吗？
2. 从楼主的多个回帖看，楼主想尽快了结此事。是为了破财消灾而不和对方计较对错（我想楼主有此倾向），还是什么地方被对方抓住了把柄而陷于被动？ 难道说对方只要把Lien押到你的房子上（不管有没有理由），你就得举手投降？法律只保护一方? 有懂行给个说法。
3. eHome Renovation 有没有对其他客户干同样的事？ 有没有其他苦主啊？如果有，是有些可怕。
4. 至今没看到对方的说法。对整个过程只有单方的解释。

我承认不聪明。不思辨，不吸取教训，聪明不了。期待对此事件多方的陈述。

LZ几天前已经付清了，Lien已经撤销了。现在好像是LZ说要诉刘勇活没干好。

不清楚LZ说的White Community是什么意思？他家的Lien可以代表White Community？又在威胁人了，如果倒过来，Conract有拿钱不干活，不完工的记录会对他很不利，有人欠账不付工钱，难道只有忍着，无权讨公道？

 

[WWCC]

支持刘勇

支持刘勇

 

[sky_walker]

LZ几天前已经付清了，Lien已经撤销了。现在好像是LZ说要诉刘勇活没干好。

不清楚LZ说的White Community是什么意思？他家的Lien可以代表White Community？又在威胁人了，如果倒过来，Conract有拿钱不干活，不完工的记录会对他很不利，有人欠账不付工钱，难道只有忍着，无权讨公道？

Please understand what's mechanic lien first. The contractors with the record of putting the mechanic lien to the property will fail before the homeowners do the precheck. It's similar to the background check before landing one job offer.

If you want to be the victim of mechanic lien, there is nothing to stop you.

 

[sky_walker]

在买房卖房坛也有楼主发的相同的帖。我还纳闷哪里怎么冷清。原来主贴在此。
把我的问题转贴到此。


引用:
作者: irish 查看帖子
I think your best defense to a mechanic's lien is having made payment in full to the general contractor or the person who has filed the lien. Are you sure if the general contractor filed the lien ? Could it be the subcontractor or supplier did that(looks the general contractor only received the labor fee) ? Who should pay the material fee to the supplier ? Everything should be spelled out in the contract if you have one.
As my lawyer told me to pay in full to the lawyer who registered the mechanic lien for the contractor.

There is no contract in our case. Your questions is suitable for big construction project. There is only one contractor in our case.

Anyway, mechanic lien is invalid as soon as the full amount is paid. Its purpose is to secure the payment. In fact, the contractor should notify me before registering mechanic lien, otherwise it's invalid already.

Tarus:

引用:
作者: irish 查看帖子
谢”天涯断肠人“的提醒，用中文发帖。回到Mechanic Lien的话题上来。现在还无法弄清事实，对错更说不清。
楼主说没签合同。我一直有个疑问。没有合同对方怎么能随便把欠债压到你的房子上呢？对方有什么证据证明楼主欠钱？难道安省的法律和别的地方不同，不要证据就可以把欠债加到房子上？
我一般找人装修房子，如数额不大，都是双方口头上的君子协定。做好出现最坏情况不打官司的准备。如数额教大，又是现金交易，你想保护自己，可要求对方开收据。如对方也想保护自己，收据上只写收到多少钱，并不说明税款。这种收据只作对方提供服务你付款的证明， 无其它。此收据用不到其它地方。有其它用途，事先最好讲好。随便聊聊。
I apologize that I don't have Chinese software and have to type in English.

If we are not in need to sell or refinance the house, we can challenge the Machenic lien in court due to no written contract, and also the Contractor failed to notify us before registering the lien, contesting the lien takes time. The lawyer helped the contractor filing the lien based on the contractor's oral statements, and notarized whatever the contract said are true.

Irish:
坚持中文发帖。给自己加油。避免作对错判断，多问问题明白道理以避免以后犯同样的错误。
1. Tarus称：只要有经过公证的口头陈述表明楼主欠债就可以把债押到房子上。难道对方还有除合同以外的旁证吗？如果没有有力的证据，对方这样作的风险是什么？对方难道不怕输了官司要赔付楼主的律师费及其他损失吗？
Because he doesn't understand what's the mechanic claim.

2. 从楼主的多个回帖看，楼主想尽快了结此事。是为了破财消灾而不和对方计较对错（我想楼主有此倾向），还是什么地方被对方抓住了把柄而陷于被动？ 难道说对方只要把Lien押到你的房子上（不管有没有理由），你就得举手投降？法律只保护一方? 有懂行给个说法。
It depends how much the lien is. But even the small amount of lien will bring down the homeowners the credit score. In the end, the homeowners will pay more for higher interesting rate.

For example, I could get the loan at 2.5% for 4 year fixing rate now, but I will get the higher rate like 9% if it will take long time to get rid of lien.

It's not worthy to take legal action for a few thousands dollar.

3. eHome Renovation 有没有对其他客户干同样的事？ 有没有其他苦主啊？如果有，是有些可怕。
It's not just "eHome Renovation", as I heard that the white contractors with eight records of putting the mechanic lien to different properties couldn't find the job at all, I know there are many homeowners to complain the contractors and finally they are punished by the construction professionals.

4. 至今没看到对方的说法。对整个过程只有单方的解释。

If you spend a little time to google "mechanic lien", you will see the truth.


我承认不聪明。不思辨，不吸取教训，聪明不了。期待对此事件多方的陈述。

I could be fooled once but not twice. My case is just small.

If you are the homeowners to have one big project to hire the contractors, it's better to prepare everything in place to prevent the same thing to happen. The receipt, the insurance and the gurantee are just wastes.

The smart homeowners is always to learn how to protect themselves.

 

[傻宝宝]

在买房卖房坛也有楼主发的相同的帖。我还纳闷哪里怎么冷清。原来主贴在此。

把我的问题转贴到此。





引用:

作者: irish 查看帖子

I think your best defense to a mechanic's lien is having made payment in full to the general contractor or the person who has filed the lien. Are you sure if the general contractor filed the lien ? Could it be the subcontractor or supplier did that(looks the general contractor only received the labor fee) ? Who should pay the material fee to the supplier ? Everything should be spelled out in the contract if you have one.

As my lawyer told me to pay in full to the lawyer who registered the mechanic lien for the contractor.



There is no contract in our case. Your questions is suitable for big construction project. There is only one contractor in our case.



Anyway, mechanic lien is invalid as soon as the full amount is paid. Its purpose is to secure the payment. In fact, the contractor should notify me before registering mechanic lien, otherwise it's invalid already.



Tarus:



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作者: irish 查看帖子

谢”天涯断肠人“的提醒，用中文发帖。回到Mechanic Lien的话题上来。现在还无法弄清事实，对错更说不清。

楼主说没签合同。我一直有个疑问。没有合同对方怎么能随便把欠债压到你的房子上呢？对方有什么证据证明楼主欠钱？难道安省的法律和别的地方不同，不要证据就可以把欠债加到房子上？

我一般找人装修房子，如数额不大，都是双方口头上的君子协定。做好出现最坏情况不打官司的准备。如数额教大，又是现金交易，你想保护自己，可要求对方开收据。如对方也想保护自己，收据上只写收到多少钱，并不说明税款。这种收据只作对方提供服务你付款的证明， 无其它。此收据用不到其它地方。有其它用途，事先最好讲好。随便聊聊。

I apologize that I don't have Chinese software and have to type in English.



If we are not in need to sell or refinance the house, we can challenge the Machenic lien in court due to no written contract, and also the Contractor failed to notify us before registering the lien, contesting the lien takes time. The lawyer helped the contractor filing the lien based on the contractor's oral statements, and notarized whatever the contract said are true.



Irish:

坚持中文发帖。给自己加油。避免作对错判断，多问问题明白道理以避免以后犯同样的错误。

1. Tarus称：只要有经过公证的口头陈述表明楼主欠债就可以把债押到房子上。难道对方还有除合同以外的旁证吗？如果没有有力的证据，对方这样作的风险是什么？对方难道不怕输了官司要赔付楼主的律师费及其他损失吗？

2. 从楼主的多个回帖看，楼主想尽快了结此事。是为了破财消灾而不和对方计较对错（我想楼主有此倾向），还是什么地方被对方抓住了把柄而陷于被动？ 难道说对方只要把Lien押到你的房子上（不管有没有理由），你就得举手投降？法律只保护一方? 有懂行给个说法。

3. eHome Renovation 有没有对其他客户干同样的事？ 有没有其他苦主啊？如果有，是有些可怕。

4. 至今没看到对方的说法。对整个过程只有单方的解释。



我承认不聪明。不思辨，不吸取教训，聪明不了。期待对此事件多方的陈述。

把我的回答转贴到此。



1.楼主如果付了一分钱，他应该能拿出在AUG.1左右eHome Renovation 开的收据；eHome Renovation 的工人可以作证，左邻右舍可以作证（在他家装修）。

2.楼主欠钱卖房。这个mechanic lien就是保护CONTRACTOR的，防止不良OWNER欠钱跑路。

3.eHome Renovation也是第一次碰到这事儿，一开始也不知道怎么办，后来咨询律师才知道可以这样保护自己。不良客户不付钱，可工人工资还得照发啊。

4.eHome Renovation在碰到楼主不付帐的情况下，并没有在论坛上发帖公布楼主信息，更没有威胁恐吓。

你就是再不聪明，也应该知道谁对谁错了吧。

 

[sky_walker]

把我的回答转贴到此。



1.楼主如果付了一分钱，他应该能拿出在AUG.1左右eHome Renovation 开的收据；eHome Renovation 的工人可以作证，左邻右舍可以作证（在他家装修）。

2.楼主欠钱卖房。这个mechanic lien就是保护CONTRACTOR的，防止不良OWNER欠钱跑路。

3.eHome Renovation也是第一次碰到这事儿，一开始也不知道怎么办，后来咨询律师才知道可以这样保护自己。不良客户不付钱，可工人工资还得照发啊。

4.eHome Renovation在碰到楼主不付帐的情况下，并没有在论坛上发帖公布楼主信息，更没有威胁恐吓。

你就是再不聪明，也应该知道谁对谁错了吧。

Please understand what's the mechanic lien first. You don't understand the law at all. Please tell me the procedure to register the mechanic lien first. I will tell you how many mistakes you made.

 

[傻宝宝]

You don't even know what's the mechanic lien.

"eHome Renovation" won't get any business due to the record of putting mechanic lien in local white community.

Do you know the reason?

The white community is always to check the record first. My bank officer told me there is no one to use the contractors with the record of the mechanic lien.





I could be fooled once but not twice. My case is just small.



If you are the homeowners to have one big project to hire the contractors, it's better to prepare everything in place to prevent the same thing to happen. The receipt, the insurance and the gurantee are just wastes.



The smart homeowners is always to learn how to protect themselves.

我知道有不少老外欠钱的，你是老中社区第一人。

你的意思是“smart homeowners ” 可以又欠钱又不被对方以任何方式抓住小辫子。

楼上有人说你脑子不够用，别人信不信我不知道，反正我信了。

 

[傻宝宝]

Please understand what's the mechanic lien first. You don't understand the law at all. Please tell me the procedure to register the mechanic lien first. I will tell you how many mistakes you made.

我不知道mechanic lien，我也不想知道。

但我知道我不会欠别人钱。

你这人脑子怎么转不过来呢?! 不差钱，哪来的mechanic lien？

 

[sky_walker]

我知道有不少老外欠钱的，你是老中社区第一人。

你的意思是“smart homeowners ” 可以又欠钱又不被对方以任何方式抓住小辫子。

楼上有人说你脑子不够用，别人信不信我不知道，反正我信了。

I got the loan 2.69% for the fix rate. How much rate do you get?

Ehome renovation can fool the smart homeowners once but not twice.

 

[sky_walker]

我不知道mechanic lien，我也不想知道。

但我知道我不会欠别人钱。

你这人脑子怎么转不过来呢?! 不差钱，哪来的mechanic lien？

But the smart homeowners must know what's mechanic lien. Why should I care you want to know it or not?

 

[西街烛光]

I got the loan 2.69% for the fix rate. How much rate do you get?

Ehome renovation can fool the smart homeowners once but not twice.

*******2.69% for the fix rate*********

这只能证明你事事都要机关算尽，不占便宜绝对不行，占少了都伤心。
别忘了红楼梦的一句话： 机关算尽太聪明， ....... 后面这句是什么来的？？？