好笑的基督教
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您有您的道理，但是 老华侨有 老华侨的经历，亦有 老华侨的固有表达方式，当然，
小朋友不是 老华侨。这儿有两篇文章，读后再说也不晚嘛。
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread667010.html
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[FONT="仿宋体"]科学是在西方发展起来的。但科学更是在同西方的宗教(主要是基督教)的残
酷斗争中发展起来的。普鲁日尼科夫自己也承认基督教“从前是科学最凶恶的敌
人”。不过他跟着说：“基督教，现在居然成为科学的盟友了”可就是弥天大谎。
接下来他为基督教评功摆好，简直就是把基督教混同于科学，甚至比科学更科学。
这同反科学文化人说的“迷信的科学”不就是一模一样吗。实际上，自始至终科
学都是与基督教对立的，只是基督教善于“用辩论来保护自己”。譬如对于“地
心说”与“日心说”，基督教可以说：一切都是上帝创造的，上帝愿意让太阳围
绕地球转，太阳就围绕地球转，地球是中心；上帝要地球围绕太阳转则是“日
心”，这都是上帝的安排。又如对于牛顿发现地心引力，基督教就说：这是上帝
赋予的力量。令到牛顿这么伟大的科学家也只好穷毕生的精力去探索上帝的存在，
断送了他的聪明才智。把科学技术、发明创造都归于“上帝的旨意”，轻易地就
化为基督教所有。基督教就是这样成为“科学的盟友”的。[/FONT]
酷斗争中发展起来的。普鲁日尼科夫自己也承认基督教“从前是科学最凶恶的敌
人”。不过他跟着说：“基督教，现在居然成为科学的盟友了”可就是弥天大谎。
接下来他为基督教评功摆好，简直就是把基督教混同于科学，甚至比科学更科学。
这同反科学文化人说的“迷信的科学”不就是一模一样吗。实际上，自始至终科
学都是与基督教对立的，只是基督教善于“用辩论来保护自己”。譬如对于“地
心说”与“日心说”，基督教可以说：一切都是上帝创造的，上帝愿意让太阳围
绕地球转，太阳就围绕地球转，地球是中心；上帝要地球围绕太阳转则是“日
心”，这都是上帝的安排。又如对于牛顿发现地心引力，基督教就说：这是上帝
赋予的力量。令到牛顿这么伟大的科学家也只好穷毕生的精力去探索上帝的存在，
断送了他的聪明才智。把科学技术、发明创造都归于“上帝的旨意”，轻易地就
化为基督教所有。基督教就是这样成为“科学的盟友”的。[/FONT]
[FONT="仿宋体"]在美国，一个人懂事，无疑最先是从知道耶稣开始的。当人还在襁褓中，就
要上教堂接受“神创论”的教育。从小到大所接触的一切，莫不与耶稣基督联系
着。国家最大的法定节日是为耶稣庆生，“复活节”是为宣扬耶稣“得道升天”
，而“感恩节”是感谢耶稣基督活命之恩。(当年清教徒乘《五月花》号船漂泊
到达美洲，陷于绝境。是当地原住民的印第安人给他们送去粮食、火鸡肉，救活
了他们。又送去种子，教会他们种庄稼，使得他们能生存下来。很显然，要感谢
就应该感谢原住民。基督教却把这一切迷信成是基督的恩赐，年年要感耶稣的
“恩”。而对真正的救命恩人，却是恩将仇报，要把印第安人赶尽杀绝。实在是
荒谬绝伦。)基督教在利用一切手段宣扬对基督的迷信方面早已炉火纯青，登峰
造极。其最能迷惑人的绝招，当是规定教徒必须要做的“餐前祈祷”。在餐桌前，
中国人大概会教育孩子：“谁知盘中餐，粒粒皆辛苦”，当思来之不易。基督教
却要人一日三餐，在餐桌前，刀叉未动，先行感谢基督的恩赐，教导孩子：“这
美餐可是基督赐予的呵！”。不仅是“年年讲、月月讲、天天讲”，更是餐餐讲。
原来是白纸一般的心灵中，写入的尽是“耶稣基督”，让人们对基督的迷信达到
“无懈可击”的地步。只此一家，别无分店。在人们懂得要信仰自由之前，早就
失去了信仰的自由。这是“很多科学家是基督徒”的根本所在。[/FONT]
要上教堂接受“神创论”的教育。从小到大所接触的一切，莫不与耶稣基督联系
着。国家最大的法定节日是为耶稣庆生，“复活节”是为宣扬耶稣“得道升天”
，而“感恩节”是感谢耶稣基督活命之恩。(当年清教徒乘《五月花》号船漂泊
到达美洲，陷于绝境。是当地原住民的印第安人给他们送去粮食、火鸡肉，救活
了他们。又送去种子，教会他们种庄稼，使得他们能生存下来。很显然，要感谢
就应该感谢原住民。基督教却把这一切迷信成是基督的恩赐，年年要感耶稣的
“恩”。而对真正的救命恩人，却是恩将仇报，要把印第安人赶尽杀绝。实在是
荒谬绝伦。)基督教在利用一切手段宣扬对基督的迷信方面早已炉火纯青，登峰
造极。其最能迷惑人的绝招，当是规定教徒必须要做的“餐前祈祷”。在餐桌前，
中国人大概会教育孩子：“谁知盘中餐，粒粒皆辛苦”，当思来之不易。基督教
却要人一日三餐，在餐桌前，刀叉未动，先行感谢基督的恩赐，教导孩子：“这
美餐可是基督赐予的呵！”。不仅是“年年讲、月月讲、天天讲”，更是餐餐讲。
原来是白纸一般的心灵中，写入的尽是“耶稣基督”，让人们对基督的迷信达到
“无懈可击”的地步。只此一家，别无分店。在人们懂得要信仰自由之前，早就
失去了信仰的自由。这是“很多科学家是基督徒”的根本所在。[/FONT]
[FONT="仿宋体"]“很多科学家是基督徒”，绝对不应成为基督教徒美化基督教，或反科学文
化人用来反科学的理由。因为在基督教占统治地位的情况下，是基督教强行使科
学家成为基督徒的。这在美国表现得更加突出。
美国标榜宗教信仰自由。其实是基督教主宰一切，信仰是最不自由的。在这
里人一出世就被洗礼成为基督徒。也就是说，人一出娘胎就被套上了基督教的
“金刚箍”。随后就无时无刻地受到紧箍咒的约束。正如孙悟空到了如来的手上
怎么折腾也难出其掌握一样，人们只能懵懵懂懂地跟着教主走。科学家也不能例
外。在成为科学家之前，都不可避免的会是个基督徒。根本就没有选择的余地。
科学家只有在其研究领域中冲破基督教的牢笼，才成为科学家。[/FONT]
化人用来反科学的理由。因为在基督教占统治地位的情况下，是基督教强行使科
学家成为基督徒的。这在美国表现得更加突出。
美国标榜宗教信仰自由。其实是基督教主宰一切，信仰是最不自由的。在这
里人一出世就被洗礼成为基督徒。也就是说，人一出娘胎就被套上了基督教的
“金刚箍”。随后就无时无刻地受到紧箍咒的约束。正如孙悟空到了如来的手上
怎么折腾也难出其掌握一样，人们只能懵懵懂懂地跟着教主走。科学家也不能例
外。在成为科学家之前，都不可避免的会是个基督徒。根本就没有选择的余地。
科学家只有在其研究领域中冲破基督教的牢笼，才成为科学家。[/FONT]
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Christian numbers fall with atheism on the rise in UK
The number of Christians in England and Wales fell by more than four million in the last decade, the 2011 census has suggested, while the number of people identifying as atheists increased by six million over the same period.
The data from the Office for National Statistics showed there were 33.2million Christians last year, compared to 37.3million in 2001.
The number of people declaring themselves to be atheists rose by more than six million to 14.1million meanwhile.
Ahead of the release of the second tranche of census data, the outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, had claimed it was a ‘cliché’ that the Church of England was fading.
The census also showed that between 2001 and 2011 the population of England and Wales increased by 3.7million to 56.1million, as the number of foreign born residents rose from 4.6million to 7.5million.
Guy Goodwin, the ONS director of census, said the data helped to ‘paint a picture of society’ and allowed politicians to plan for the future.
‘This is just the tip of the iceberg of census statistics,’ he said. ‘Further rich layers of vital information will be revealed as we publish more detailed data for very local levels over the coming months.’
The census questionnaire was sent to around 26million households in England and Wales in March last year.
The second biggest religion according to the data is Islam, with 2.7million people ticking the Muslim box.
Half of the 7.5million people living in England and Wales who were born overseas arrived between 2001 and 2011, with India, Poland, Pakistan, Ireland and Germany the top five countries in this respect.
In contrast, in 2001, Poland did not make the top ten list of sending countries.
While the number of people identifying themselves as ‘white British’ fell by 0.4million – 80 per cent of the population compared to 87 per cent – the ‘white other’ category increased by 1.1million to 2.5million.
http://metro.co.uk/2012/12/11/census-2011-christian-numbers-fall-with-atheism-on-the-rise-3311594/
The number of Christians in England and Wales fell by more than four million in the last decade, the 2011 census has suggested, while the number of people identifying as atheists increased by six million over the same period.
The data from the Office for National Statistics showed there were 33.2million Christians last year, compared to 37.3million in 2001.
The number of people declaring themselves to be atheists rose by more than six million to 14.1million meanwhile.
Ahead of the release of the second tranche of census data, the outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, had claimed it was a ‘cliché’ that the Church of England was fading.
The census also showed that between 2001 and 2011 the population of England and Wales increased by 3.7million to 56.1million, as the number of foreign born residents rose from 4.6million to 7.5million.
Guy Goodwin, the ONS director of census, said the data helped to ‘paint a picture of society’ and allowed politicians to plan for the future.
‘This is just the tip of the iceberg of census statistics,’ he said. ‘Further rich layers of vital information will be revealed as we publish more detailed data for very local levels over the coming months.’
The census questionnaire was sent to around 26million households in England and Wales in March last year.
The second biggest religion according to the data is Islam, with 2.7million people ticking the Muslim box.
Half of the 7.5million people living in England and Wales who were born overseas arrived between 2001 and 2011, with India, Poland, Pakistan, Ireland and Germany the top five countries in this respect.
In contrast, in 2001, Poland did not make the top ten list of sending countries.
While the number of people identifying themselves as ‘white British’ fell by 0.4million – 80 per cent of the population compared to 87 per cent – the ‘white other’ category increased by 1.1million to 2.5million.
http://metro.co.uk/2012/12/11/census-2011-christian-numbers-fall-with-atheism-on-the-rise-3311594/
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Punishment for Atheism in 7 Countries: Death
Choosing not to believe can be a deadly choice in seven of the world's countries, according to a new report out today. It found that atheists can be executed for their views in Afghanistan, Iran, Maldives, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan. Reuters notes that the report didn't actually catalog any recent executions for atheism; but that's likely because the charge is typically absorbed by other charges, say the researchers. Denial of "the right to exist" isn't the only woe suffered by atheists per the report, which outlines other persecution and challenges they face around the world:
In countries like Bangladesh, Egypt, and Kuwait, it's illegal (and dubbed "blasphemous") to publish atheist views.
A number of countries, including Malaysia, force all citizens to register as a member of an officially recognized religion in order to obtain documents necessary for accessing everything from education to medical treatment.
The West doesn't get off scot-free, with the report noting that many secular countries give deferential treatment to Christian churches. It cites the "pride of place" given to the Orthodox Church on state occasions in Greece, and Britain's automatic bestowal of seats in parliament's upper house on bishops of the Church of England.
Closer to home, atheists are actually barred from holding public office in seven US states; in Arkansas, atheists are prohibited from serving as a witness at a trial.
http://www.newser.com/story/159063/punishment-for-atheism-in-7-countries-death.html
Choosing not to believe can be a deadly choice in seven of the world's countries, according to a new report out today. It found that atheists can be executed for their views in Afghanistan, Iran, Maldives, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan. Reuters notes that the report didn't actually catalog any recent executions for atheism; but that's likely because the charge is typically absorbed by other charges, say the researchers. Denial of "the right to exist" isn't the only woe suffered by atheists per the report, which outlines other persecution and challenges they face around the world:
In countries like Bangladesh, Egypt, and Kuwait, it's illegal (and dubbed "blasphemous") to publish atheist views.
A number of countries, including Malaysia, force all citizens to register as a member of an officially recognized religion in order to obtain documents necessary for accessing everything from education to medical treatment.
The West doesn't get off scot-free, with the report noting that many secular countries give deferential treatment to Christian churches. It cites the "pride of place" given to the Orthodox Church on state occasions in Greece, and Britain's automatic bestowal of seats in parliament's upper house on bishops of the Church of England.
Closer to home, atheists are actually barred from holding public office in seven US states; in Arkansas, atheists are prohibited from serving as a witness at a trial.
http://www.newser.com/story/159063/punishment-for-atheism-in-7-countries-death.html
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如果，如果，如果耶稣是真神那他会知道的。
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噢野! 。。。Gulliver 您说的，一开始小朋友就举牌支持 - "科学不是用来证明有没有上
帝"的。why? 科学理论有边界呀嘛。您说的是科学结论，小朋友说的是其中的原因，
用词不同，看法一致。
其实，Chris 也同意这个的，请看，
"科学理论之所以是有局限的，就是因为它必须是能证实或者证伪的。
不能被证实也不能被证伪的，属于宗教范畴。"
Chris恐怕不会同意呢。他要的是宗教范畴要包括科学范畴，用他的话来说就是神学领导科学，而不是神学科学各自分开。神是万能的，但神学是人尝试去理解神说的话，与科学是人尝试去理解神造出来的东西没有谁高谁低吧？都是人用他可怜有限的思维去理解一个远超出他的理解能力范围的东西，凭什么那些尝试去理解神说话的就自以为比那些用毕生精力去理解和把握神的物的人更多地掌握“真理”？凭什么那些尝试去理解神说的话的人然后用自己可怜有限片面的理解写出什么神学就可以有资格去领导对神造物的科学研究？
因为他的学识与“神”这个字有联系所以他的观点就高于一切? 这还不如说梵蒂冈教皇的观点高于一切，可以指导一切，因为梵蒂冈教皇是最高的“神的仆人”，至少他这么认为。
经过几百年的发展，进化论已经是科学中不可分割的一部分了。象所有科学理论一样，它是用来解释地球上物质的一种现象（能不能解释外星球还不知道），而且这种解释方法得到了普遍的论证，至今还没有发现一样东西能证伪这一理论。这一理论已经广泛地用在地质学、生物学、药物学、动物学等等领域而且一直没有碰到不可逾越的障碍。进化论概念实际上强调的是这世界不仅物质（比如电子分子星球等）会变会动，生物同样会变（evolution）。有些研究神学的人不知道什么时候发现神说了，祂创造出的生物就不能evolve了？当然，同样的这些人在几百年前担心了地球竟然不是宇宙的中心----日心说是错误的。当然，再一次，圣经没有说上帝创造了太阳绕着地球转，是那些研究神学的人用他们有限的智慧去理解得出的结论，他们的理论根据是Biblical references Psalm 93:1, 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." In the same manner, Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place" etc.（http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei）今天来看，这些都是好笑地了。
神学还是神学，让科学归科学吧，免的把可怜的“罪人”在神学研究中不可避免的错误加到在科学研究中。让科学研究去处理自己的问题吧。
