好笑的基督教

中国人对基督教的错误认识之牛顿
我以前对牛顿的信仰的认识来自哪儿我自己都忘了,可能来自咱们的教材?还是小朋友科普书?
最开始,牛顿被宣传成一个无神论,跟教皇公开辩论,把教皇辩得哑口无言。
后来长大一点以后,偶尔看到说牛顿早期是无神论者,但是到了晚年又回归基督教,成为一个虔诚的教徒。
昨天看了看,发现完全不对呀。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton#Religious_views
Although born into an Anglican family, by his thirties Newton held a Christian faith that, had it been made public, would not have been considered orthodox by mainstream Christianity;[91] in recent times he has been described as a heretic.[6]
In a minority view, T.C. Pfizenmaier argues that Newton held the Eastern Orthodox view on the Trinity rather than the Western one held by Roman Catholics, Anglicans and most Protestants.[92] However, this type of view 'has lost support of late with the availability of Newton's theological papers',[93] and now most scholars identify Newton as an Antitrinitarian monotheist.[6][94] 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'.[95] Historian Stephen D. Snobelen says of Newton, "Isaac Newton was a heretic. But ... he never made a public declaration of his private faith—which the orthodox would have deemed extremely radical. He hid his faith so well that scholars are still unravelling his personal beliefs."[6] Snobelen concludes that Newton was at least a Socinian sympathiser (he owned and had thoroughly read at least eight Socinian books), possibly an Arian and almost certainly an anti-trinitarian.[6] In an age notable for its religious intolerance, there are few public expressions of Newton's radical views, most notably his refusal to receive holy orders and his refusal, on his death bed, to receive the sacrament when it was offered to him
http://rupeenews.com/2012/07/jesus-christ-had-certainly-not-been-god-sir-isaac-newton/
 
当年起草独立宣言的五人组,3个Unitarian,一个共济会。华盛顿是个Deism。

http://www.sullivan-county.com/religion/freemasons.htm

Five men were chosen by the Constitutional Convention to write the Declaration of Independence. Thomas Jefferson (Unitarian) was the primary author and four others were also chosen: John Adams (Unitarian), Benjamin Franklin (classical Deist/Unitarian and Freemason), Robert R. Livingston (a Freemason) and Roger Sherman (Freemason?). John Adams and Benjamin Franklin made some small change after Jefferson finished the document. The Continental Congress also made some changes.

什么是Unitarian? 一种不信基督是上帝的信仰,被基督新教和天主教都视为异端。

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110720213219AAk6yg6

All the previous answers are quite good but may be confusing taken all together; I'll try to organize and expand on the info just a bit.
1. Unitarianism started as a movement within Christianity, part of the Reformation; it was as biblically based as any Protestant church or movement, more so than some, denying the doctrine of the divinity of Jesus (and thus the Trinity) precisely because it couldn't find it literally stated in the Bible. This resulted in the Unitarians being persecuted by Protestants and Catholics alike, until people learned to give up religious persecution altogether.
2. In North America, many of the old Puritan churches (and some others) became Unitarian around the beginning of the 19th century, again first by simply studying the Bible and finding that the Trinity wasn't in it. Gradually they concluded, from the fact that neither side could prove its teachings conclusively from the Bible, that the Bible wasn't meant to be used this way at all; they became increasingly free-thinking in other ways too, and socially progressive, finally evolving beyond Christianity altogether. (Individual members may identify as Christian, but the movement as a whole does not.) In 1961 these churches merged with the Universalists - a different movement, believing in universal salvation, which had been moving in a similar direction - to form the UUA, which you discovered on the web. (Canadian Unitarians and Universalists were part of it at first but within the past decade broke away to form their own national organization.)
3. In Europe, the Unitarian churches generally evolved towards liberalism and non-credalism, like here, but remained Christian; the UUA has very good relations with them. I've met Unitarian ministers from England and Transylvania; they use more Christian language than we UUs in the States would be comfortable with, but in all other respects we are much the same, free-thinking and socially liberal. The Irish church you found is in this category.
4. BUT there are still people around who identify as Unitarians in the original Christian sense, who are Biblical literalists and social conservatives. Not many, as far as I know, but some. They strongly object to being confused with us Unitarians of the UUA, whom they consider heretics (a term many of us in fact proudly accept).

共济会好像也被基督新教和天主教都视为异端。
 
一百位基督,应该不只有两百种神学并且我们可以肯定没有神学完全正确的 - 神学虽然是以圣经为基础的哲学,但毕竟是人的思想成果而人的思想成果难免会漏洞百出。

归根到底,神学的偏差不会影响个人的得救,也不会影响福音的传播。因为我们的得救本来就不在乎我们的能力德行,而在乎神的恩典。福音的传播本来就不是靠神学的正确而是靠主名的权能。这么说,不信的朋友是不是又要觉得"神"了?

这也是没有办法的事。神国的事,没有办法不神。:)

那么,为什么几千年来基督这么热衷于"辩明真理"?

很自然啊,既然跟随了真理,自然想更多地明白真理。所以西谚有云"To know Him is to want to know Him more".

"辩明真理"看上去是在和别人"辩",其实"明"的是自己。传福音,看上去是在向别人传,其实得福的更多是自己。难怪主明知道是"驱羊入狼群"也要给我们留下大使命:"所以你们要去、使万民作我的门徒、奉父子圣灵的名、给他们施洗。凡我所吩咐你们的、都教训他们遵守,我就常与你们同在、直到世界的末了(马太福音28:18-20)"

另外,我们也的确有一种倾向,一旦有了点得着,就难免要向别人分享; 一旦发现了谬误,就更是要急切地警戒他人了。这个本身没有什么不好。只是,基督也常常陷入"我的一定是对的"的误区谁让基督徒都是罪人呢?难怪主一再告诫了,"你们不要论断人".
 
一百位基督,应该不只有两百种神学并且我们可以肯定没有神学完全正确的 - 神学虽然是以圣经为基础的哲学,但毕竟是人的思想成果而人的思想成果难免会漏洞百出。

归根到底,神学的偏差不会影响个人的得救,也不会影响福音的传播。因为我们的得救本来就不在乎我们的能力德行,而在乎神的恩典。福音的传播本来就不是靠神学的正确而是靠主名的权能。这么说,不信的朋友是不是又要觉得"神"了?

这也是没有办法的事。神国的事,没有办法不神。:)

那么,为什么几千年来基督这么热衷于"辩明真理"?

很自然啊,既然跟随了真理,自然想更多地明白真理。所以西谚有云"To know Him is to want to know Him more".

"辩明真理"看上去是在和别人"辩",其实"明"的是自己。传福音,看上去是在向别人传,其实得福的更多是自己。难怪主明知道是"驱羊入狼群"也要给我们留下大使命:"所以你们要去、使万民作我的门徒、奉父子圣灵的名、给他们施洗。凡我所吩咐你们的、都教训他们遵守,我就常与你们同在、直到世界的末了(马太福音28:18-20)"

另外,我们也的确有一种倾向,一旦有了点得着,就难免要向别人分享; 一旦发现了谬误,就更是要急切地警戒他人了。这个本身没有什么不好。只是,基督也常常陷入"我的一定是对的"的误区谁让基督徒都是罪人呢?难怪主一再告诫了,"你们不要论断人".

看不懂,说神的我肯定神不过你。:)
没有圣灵指引咱又不可能看懂圣经。

所以咱只能用咱可怜的大脑看看历史,别的不跟你神聊了。

还是再说一遍,我进坛是来打阿Q的,手重误伤别人不好意思了。
 
谁让基督徒都是罪人呢?难怪主一再告诫了,"你们不要论断人".
一句话把基督教犯的错推得干净,厉害。
天主教红衣主教还公开出来道歉,倒是比新教做人做得诚恳。

我还听过有基督徒说,我以前是因为魔鬼缠身了,才做出那些事。这个也很绝,言外之意我本人是没问题的,都怪魔鬼。

以史鉴今,这是中国古训,不讨论历史,如何鉴今?讨论历史,不讨论到人,那就奇怪了。
又如六四,很多爱国人士仍然在讨论,该是不该?
在加拿大的战争博物馆,提到加拿大的某次战役,里面大大的写着,天主教百分比5x%,这个算不算在“论断”一批人?

阿Q在写中世纪篇是,有没有论断中国人对基督徒的误读?牧师不是大力支持,将其推为精华吗?
我是在求证基督徒大力宣传的那些东西到底有多少水分,就变成禁忌了?牧师对我下封口令,这已经不是第一次了吧。

接下来专心看中世纪。
 
一句话把基督教犯的错推得干净,厉害。
天主教红衣主教还公开出来道歉,倒是比新教做人做得诚恳。

我还听过有基督徒说,我以前是因为魔鬼缠身了,才做出那些事。这个也很绝,言外之意我本人是没问题的,都怪魔鬼。

以史鉴今,这是中国古训,不讨论历史,如何鉴今?讨论历史,不讨论到人,那就奇怪了。
又如六四,很多爱国人士仍然在讨论,该是不该?
在加拿大的战争博物馆,提到加拿大的某次战役,里面大大的写着,天主教百分比5x%,这个算不算在“论断”一批人?

阿Q在写中世纪篇是,有没有论断中国人对基督徒的误读?牧师不是大力支持,将其推为精华吗?
我是在求证基督徒大力宣传的那些东西到底有多少水分,就变成禁忌了?牧师对我下封口令,这已经不是第一次了吧。

接下来专心看中世纪。

这话说的。"牧师"这冤枉哪里可以去申诉,这?:(
 
怎么都是基督教徒赚。

有4个人,一个佛教徒,一个犹太教徒,一个印度教徒,一个基督教徒在一起。
佛教徒说,大家都要轮回,佛找到一条路带领大家到天堂,佛说“我不下地狱,谁下地狱”,有佛在地狱里不停的努力,直到大家都进天堂。
犹太教说,大家都能进天堂,只是根据人的好坏,要受到不同惩罚,然后再进。
印度教徒说,所有宗教都为真,大家同进退。
基督教徒说,只要信耶稣,必能免罪,上天堂。不信?Go to hell。

不管哪种宗教为真,基督教徒都能进天堂,赚了。
 
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