I wish dead poeple are not Chinese --- Damn OC transpo

[Mitsumi]

最初由 渐渐 发布
I think you are missing Mitsumi's point: it was in response to the title of this post - I wish dead poeple are not Chinese --- Damn OC transpo. I was really stunned by it too: why does it matter what the victims' race is? Why has it even been brought up as an issue?! (no offense to Rock )

Thank you jj, you got my point

 

[Mitsumi]

最初由 Rock2008sz 发布
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如果某一天在我们家附近的一个小学，出现什么事故，如果我朋友的儿子在那里上学，我说:"天啊，但愿他儿子没事"

这种反应有什么不对吗?

This is fine, but not if it was “天啊， 但愿有事的不是他儿子。” That just implies something very negative.

最初由 Rock2008sz 发布
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Maybe I should say in ENGLISH:

I wish no Chinese was involved in that tragedy. Any objection?
Any offence?

I this statement if it said "I wish NOBODY was involved in that tragedy". I am still objecting the notion of "damning' the OC transpo driver. We don't know what happened so let's not jumpt to conclusions.

 

[Mitsumi]

最初由 Rock2008sz 发布


再引伸一下，关于英文表达。如果我说

(1) Wording One
"I wish non Chinese was involved in that tragedy."
那我就要吃官司了。

(2) Wording Two
"I wish the death in the accident was not Chinese"
这个表达可能会看得别扭，但应该没有冒犯谁。

上次BARHEAVEN事件中

那个CITY COUNSILOR 说
"Non whites invades Barheaven" 和"No white invades Barheaven"
意思应该是有区别的，请渐渐说是不是?


请各位英语高手补充。

#2 still offends me. Your statement implies you wish the death was somebody not chinese. I wish you would just leave the race out of it.

That's the exact some problem with that councillor. By stating the word "non-wite" she's implying that whites do not cause any violence or assault, which is total BS.

 

[Mitsumi]

最初由 行者 发布
Tragedies are equally tragic. Basically that's right. But the sorrow still can be different at some degree. Think about this way, if your friend had been hurt in this accident, you probably would feel more sorrow about it. You can say no, but I can say for most of people(including me) the answer is yes.

It's fine to be more concerned about a group of people because they are your friends, but its dangerous to be more concerned about a group of people because of their race. I don't distinguish who my friends are based on their skin color.

 

[Rock2008sz]

最初由 Mitsumi 发布


#2 still offends me. Your statement implies you wish the death was somebody not chinese. I wish you would just leave the race out of it.

That's the exact some problem with that councillor. By stating the word "non-wite" she's implying that whites do not cause any violence or assault, which is total BS.

我是个俗人，还没有上升到博爱的阶级兄弟的胸怀。我关心的人肯定是有区别的。
这是我的优先级别
1) 首先妻子和孩子
2) 父母兄弟姐妹
3) 朋友同事
4) 社区的人
5) 其他社区的人
6) 其他地方的人。

我说我希望我关心的人没事，并不能推断出我希望"非我关心的人"有事的结论。
这样的逻辑可讲不通吧。

这是CFC网站，绝大多数人99。99%是从中国来的，我希望这些人平安也属正常。

当然这些话仅仅在这个网站上说。

 

[Lockheedmartin]

父母没事了吧？

 

[oread]

如果某一天在我们家附近的一个小学，出现什么事故，如果我朋友的儿子在那里上学，我说:"天啊，但愿他儿子没事"

这种反应有什么不对吗?

在英语里，如果我说:" I wish my friend was not involved in that accident." 会有什么负面的"隐含的意思"吗?

This is all fine, because it implies a personal concern. What you said was about the entire race. In other words, it was not personal, it didn't involve your friends or family members, it was a broad and generalized statement regarding the race of the victims.

"I wish dead people are not Chinese". This was my first reaction to your title: if they are not, phew! then it is of no concern to you, and you don't even care if they are dead or not. This was what made me feeling uncomfortable about.

I wish no Chinese was involved in that tragedy. Any objection? Any offence?

Yes! It implies that the victims in the tragedy is that much less a victim simply because they are not Chinese! Their race DOES NOT MATTER unless they affect you on a personal level.

I sincerely hoped that you didn't mean that, just like I'd hope that Jan Harder didn't mean what she said regarding the Somalian gang. Similar to the Harder incident, I believe you were well-intended, but the wording came out wrong and it was inappropriate.

 

[Lockheedmartin]

 

[Rock2008sz]

最初由 渐渐 发布


This is all fine, because it implies a personal concern. What you said was about the entire race. In other words, it was not personal, it didn't involve your friends or family members, it was a broad and generalized statement regarding the race of the victims.

"I wish dead people are not Chinese". This was my first reaction to your title: if they are not, phew! then it is of no concern to you, and you don't even care if they are dead or not. This was what made me feeling uncomfortable about.


Yes! It implies that the victims in the tragedy is that much less a victim simply because they are not Chinese! Their race DOES NOT MATTER unless they affect you on a personal level.

I sincerely hoped that you didn't mean that, just like I'd hope that Jan Harder didn't mean what she said regarding the Somalian gang. Similar to the Harder incident, I believe you were well-intended, but the wording came out wrong and it was inappropriate.

Thanks for your comments any way that lets us know different or inapprociate English expressions could cause concerns from other people.

Of course I won't say any word like "Not Chinese" in the English dominated environment. I never said any race related words in the office, nor in the public / local environment.

Again, mourn with deep grief to that family.

 

[Mitsumi]

最初由 Rock2008sz 发布


我是个俗人，还没有上升到博爱的阶级兄弟的胸怀。我关心的人肯定是有区别的。
这是我的优先级别
1) 首先妻子和孩子
2) 父母兄弟姐妹
3) 朋友同事
4) 社区的人
5) 其他社区的人
6) 其他地方的人。

我说我希望我关心的人没事，并不能推断出我希望"非我关心的人"有事的结论。
这样的逻辑可讲不通吧。

这是CFC网站，绝大多数人99。99%是从中国来的，我希望这些人平安也属正常。

当然这些话仅仅在这个网站上说。

I apologize if I've offended you. You have the right to be more concerned about chinese community. But your title, I think it translates as "我希望死的人不是中国人“, really upsets me. Just imagine if I were sri lankan, and I said "I wish the dead people are not sri lankan", how would that make you feel?

I think we have misunderstood each other, but I know you are a good man with good intentions for your family and friends, and i respect your for that

 

[Rock2008sz]

最初由 Mitsumi 发布



I apologize if I've offended you. You have the right to be more concerned about chinese community. But your title, I think it translates as "我希望死的人不是中国人“, really upsets me. Just imagine if I were sri lankan, and I said "I wish the dead people are not sri lankan", how would that make you feel?

I think we have misunderstood each other, but I know you are a good man with good intentions for your family and friends, and i respect your for that

I admit my wordings did cause some misunderstandings. I found limited English written patterns did twist what is really in mind.

I believe those expressing concern on my title should work or live in an environment where you know much about English language feelings brought by different expressions. I do appreciate this kind of thought exchange to make people better use English.

 

[yoshida]

先看汽车

如果是日本车，中国同胞的可能性会大些，美国车的话就小些。事件的先验概率。
所以我相信一定不是中国人。

 

[shusheng]

我相信原来的帖子并没有种族歧视的意识，只不过他的表达方式不好罢了。

不过，我发现在这里很多人很容易把随便什麽事轻易扯到“中国人”上去。
或许爱国主义教育过于根深蒂固？很多事更多的应该先想到“人”才好。

 

[行者]

Re: 先看汽车

the car is a rented car.

最初由 yoshida 发布
如果是日本车，中国同胞的可能性会大些，美国车的话就小些。事件的先验概率。
所以我相信一定不是中国人。

 

[qlgc]

美国车是垃圾的又一个例证。