这案子,加拿大移民官员/记者理不清了;你怎么看?(更新:移民部长特批,男孩将先持TRV来加拿大,然后办PR)

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我支持老胡的人格,还是不支持对这个案子网开一面。人权法也不是被滥用的。

我也支持这对印度夫妇, 社区和他们的律师花钱跟现行法规打官司。这是一条难走的路,但是可以辩个是非曲直。把漏洞堵死。

有一点要指出, 就是印度夫妇自己也有心虚。这也是他们坚持说是受移民顾问误导的原因,实际上是想要摆脱自己故意不说真话的难堪。人权法大于一切,他以前撒的慌为什么不认呢, 为什么要推到别人身上呢。反正身份拿到了, 孩子总是能用人权法弄过来的。

如果说这些案子都不按照法律和签的合同来,政府应该出钱帮不倒翁跟minto打官司。
 
我支持老胡的人格,还是不支持对这个案子网开一面。人权法也不是被滥用的。

我也支持这对印度夫妇, 社区和他们的律师花钱跟现行法规打官司。这是一条难走的路,但是可以辩个是非曲直。把漏洞堵死。

有一点要指出, 就是印度夫妇自己也有心虚。这也是他们坚持说是受移民顾问误导的原因,实际上是想要摆脱自己故意不说真话的难堪。人权法大于一切,他以前撒的慌为什么不认呢, 为什么要推到别人身上呢。反正身份拿到了, 孩子总是能用人权法弄过来的。

如果说这些案子都不按照法律和签的合同来,政府应该出钱帮不倒翁跟minto打官司。
Minto事件有新情况?
 
Minto事件有新情况?

打个比方

好象鸭子和老向当时比较积极,后来学乖了 问他们
 
如果这样也行,那岂不是任何法律文件的签字都可以反悔?做伪证后也可以装疯卖傻?信用与法制社会将由此崩塌!
我支持老胡的人格,还是不支持对这个案子网开一面。人权法也不是被滥用的。

我也支持这对印度夫妇, 社区和他们的律师花钱跟现行法规打官司。这是一条难走的路,但是可以辩个是非曲直。把漏洞堵死。

有一点要指出, 就是印度夫妇自己也有心虚。这也是他们坚持说是受移民顾问误导的原因,实际上是想要摆脱自己故意不说真话的难堪。人权法大于一切,他以前撒的慌为什么不认呢, 为什么要推到别人身上呢。反正身份拿到了, 孩子总是能用人权法弄过来的。

如果说这些案子都不按照法律和签的合同来,政府应该出钱帮不倒翁跟minto打官司。
 
打个比方

好象鸭子和老向当时比较积极,后来学乖了 问他们
老向说过去举牌,是否真去了不确定。记得当时有个有趣的ID讲他买了咖啡支持不倒翁举牌,被人追着问,最后那ID讲买了咖啡准备给不倒翁的,但是没看到她就自己喝了。网络的事,难讲。

不过,你这个例子不太妥当,不倒翁那个是商业合同。印度夫妻那个是make 了一个Honest Mistake,而且他们不是要挑战合同,是在寻求帮助他们家庭的合法途径。关键点在于对新移民友好的LIB新政府是否有智慧做到既不违法,又可以帮助他们家庭团聚。

家庭团聚这条路不仅加拿大,欧洲各国也是另眼想看,当年本人在欧洲得到过家庭团聚的帮助,至今心存感恩
本人也受到过LIB政府移民政策的惠,没错,移民符合加拿大利益,各届政府都有移民政策,但是LIB更加友好新移民。当初申请技术移民一个月就批了,就是体检一下,Interview都不需要,可见LIB是多么地开放。我不反对CFC有的技移讲加拿大接受他是因为他有技术加拿大需要他。我个人认为有技术的人多了去了,轮到自己头上还是值得我感恩的。
 
如果这样也行,那岂不是任何法律文件的签字都可以反悔?做伪证后也可以装疯卖傻?信用与法制社会将由此崩塌!
就这个案子来讲,也不需要人为拔那么高。
比如,印度夫妻没有做伪证,递交申请时还没有生孩子,更关键的是他们没有伪证自己没有孩子,他们的错误在于没有主动申报后来生了孩子,这与伪证不同。谈何做伪证后装疯卖傻?
其次,签了法律文件是什么样的法律文件?你清楚吗?从村长提供的信息看,"Ms. Bajaj never signed any declaration which stated that her child would remain in India with his grandparents. There is no word 'grandparents', 'India' in declaration that we signed. We challenge the CIC to prove what it has claimed. If needed we will reveal the declaration the copy of which we have in our possession" 如果这是事实,他们签的文件并不反对他们的孩子可以来到加拿大。
同志们,我知道你们的觉悟很高,但是也有容许这个世界上觉悟不那么高的群众在法制的框架下寻求自己的权益,特别是家庭团聚的权益。

最后,从另外一个角度看,移民部拒绝孩子来加拿大的理由是十分荒唐的,他们拒绝的理由不是你们批判的撕毁承诺,妈妈们不冷静就算了,你们难道不可以读一下村长提供的信息吗?
移民部拒绝的理由是:"it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."
如果这个拒绝理由成立,对中国人来说,加拿大的文化与语言都没有中国适合中国人
 
就这个案子来讲,也不需要人为拔那么高。
比如,印度夫妻没有做伪证,递交申请时还没有生孩子,更关键的是他们没有伪证自己没有孩子,他们的错误在于没有主动申报后来生了孩子,这与伪证不同。谈何做伪证后装疯卖傻?
其次,签了法律文件是什么样的法律文件?你清楚吗?从村长提供的信息看,"Ms. Bajaj never signed any declaration which stated that her child would remain in India with his grandparents. There is no word 'grandparents', 'India' in declaration that we signed. We challenge the CIC to prove what it has claimed. If needed we will reveal the declaration the copy of which we have in our possession" 如果这是事实,他们签的文件并不反对他们的孩子可以来到加拿大。
同志们,我知道你们的觉悟很高,但是也有容许这个世界上觉悟不那么高的群众在法制的框架下寻求自己的权益,特别是家庭团聚的权益。

最后,从另外一个角度看,移民部拒绝孩子来加拿大的理由是十分荒唐的,他们拒绝的理由不是你们批判的撕毁承诺,妈妈们不冷静就算了,你们难道不可以读一下村长提供的信息吗?
移民部拒绝的理由是:"it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."
如果这个拒绝理由成立,对中国人来说,加拿大的文化与语言都没有中国适合中国人

你这里有一个误会,我没有说印度夫妇做伪证。我的意思是签署法律文件如果不用负责的话,恐怕做伪证也不用负责了。加拿大秉承的是英国的案例法,如果此例一开,那么一切法律签字均可失效,加拿大法律也就成了个屁。既然这对夫妇已经在考虑后当着移民官的面签署不给孩子移民的文件,那么此路在法理上已经终止,根本就不是什么诚实的错误!他们可以返回印度,重新申请。
 
就这个案子来讲,也不需要人为拔那么高。
比如,印度夫妻没有做伪证,递交申请时还没有生孩子,更关键的是他们没有伪证自己没有孩子,他们的错误在于没有主动申报后来生了孩子,这与伪证不同。谈何做伪证后装疯卖傻?
其次,签了法律文件是什么样的法律文件?你清楚吗?从村长提供的信息看,"Ms. Bajaj never signed any declaration which stated that her child would remain in India with his grandparents. There is no word 'grandparents', 'India' in declaration that we signed. We challenge the CIC to prove what it has claimed. If needed we will reveal the declaration the copy of which we have in our possession" 如果这是事实,他们签的文件并不反对他们的孩子可以来到加拿大。
同志们,我知道你们的觉悟很高,但是也有容许这个世界上觉悟不那么高的群众在法制的框架下寻求自己的权益,特别是家庭团聚的权益。

最后,从另外一个角度看,移民部拒绝孩子来加拿大的理由是十分荒唐的,他们拒绝的理由不是你们批判的撕毁承诺,妈妈们不冷静就算了,你们难道不可以读一下村长提供的信息吗?
移民部拒绝的理由是:"it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."
如果这个拒绝理由成立,对中国人来说,加拿大的文化与语言都没有中国适合中国人
你没看清楚新闻
递交之前他们孩子生了,这是其1
准备交的时候去问了南非的网上移民公司,他们说不用报孩子,去加拿大再报
他们就给交了,移民申请材料上其实已经有问题了,这是其2
AOR信上有说明让他们更新家庭结构,他们没弄,这是其3
PPR时候的信也有说明让他们更新家庭结构,他们没弄,这是其4
Landing时候被问出来了,他们说放弃以后担保孩子,这是其5

你说的例子都是当事人的陈述,移民局的陈述也要参考的
 
两位当事人以FSW,技术工种移民来加2年,看新闻报道,女的最近终于找到不错的工作,在lab就职,男的一直连miminum wage job都无法保持住,我对他们的近况表示同情,但是也有新问题就是,孩子来了怎么养,在印度可能孩子真能得到更好的抚养。他们的身份没问题了,为什么不回印度照顾孩子来给自己增加筹码呢?
 
移,这贴好,翻变天帐了,爱看 :monster: :zhichi:
 
你没看清楚新闻
递交之前他们孩子生了,这是其1
准备交的时候去问了南非的网上移民公司,他们说不用报孩子,去加拿大再报
他们就给交了,移民申请材料上其实已经有问题了,这是其2
AOR信上有说明让他们更新家庭结构,他们没弄,这是其3
PPR时候的信也有说明让他们更新家庭结构,他们没弄,这是其4
Landing时候被问出来了,他们说放弃以后担保孩子,这是其5

你说的例子都是当事人的陈述,移民局的陈述也要参考的

技术移民,有几个算几个,不影响吧? 准是印度移民公司
 
技术移民,有几个算几个,不影响吧? 准是印度移民公司
人家说是South Africa Online Immigration Consulting firm:rolleyes:
对方回答问题的估计也是不过大脑的那种,FSW,带个孩子一点问题没有
 
技术移民,有几个算几个,不影响吧? 准是印度移民公司
印度移民顾问不会那么无知。

不知道他们为什么通过这个途径:

Instead, she said, the South Africa-based online immigration consulting firm they were using advised the couple to sponsor their son after their application was approved and they had arrived in Canada.

Couple battles to reunite with young son stuck in India
Pair say they made a huge mistake in taking advice of immigration consultant who they say recommended waiting until arrival in Canada before sponsoring baby.

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Bhavna Bajaj, an Ottawa lab technician, has been battling to have her son, Daksh, now 4, join her in Canada. Bajaj admits she made a mistake in not informing immigration officials when she became pregnant while still in India.

By: Nicholas Keung Immigration reporter, Published on Fri Dec 18 2015

It was the biggest mistake of their lives — and their little boy is paying the price.

Bhavna Bajaj found out she was pregnant while she and her husband were in the midst of applying to immigrate to Canada under the federal skilled worker program.

While waiting for the application to be processed, Bajaj gave birth to their only child, Daksh in June 2011. She said she emailed her immigration consultant from her hospital bed to alert Canadian officials of the arrival of the little one.

Instead, she said, the South Africa-based online immigration consulting firm they were using advised the couple to sponsor their son after their application was approved and they had arrived in Canada.

That turned out to be a huge mistake, one that’s haunting Bajaj and her husband, Aman Sood, because Canada’s immigration department bars any family member not included at the time of application from being sponsored to Canada in the future — a fact the couple learned only when they landed at the Montreal airport in January 2013.

And worse, Bajaj, now a medical lab technician in Ottawa, said they felt pressured by customs officials into signing a declaration that “we would never sponsor our child.”

For two years, the heartbroken parents have been fighting unsuccessfully to reunite with Daksh, who is now 4 and being cared for by his grandparents in Shimla in the Indian state of Himachal Pradesh.

“They were given the wrong advice and made a tragic mistake. We are not saying the law is on our side. By law, there is no excuse for the couple,” said the family’s current lawyer, Hadayt Nazami, who is based in Toronto.

“But they wouldn’t have excluded the child. I see no reason the inclusion of the child in their application would have caused any problem for their immigration. The boy was healthy and wouldn’t have been inadmissible for any medical or security reason.”

An immigration department spokesperson said the “objective of the regulations is to encourage honesty and full disclosure” in the application process. “This provision has been consistently upheld by the courts as it helps prevent immigration fraud and human trafficking,” said spokesperson Nancy Caron.

The couple’s numerous attempts to bring Daksh to Canada — under family sponsorship and humanitarian and compassionate applications — have been rejected by immigration officials.

“Your parents failed to declare you as a dependent child at the time of the processing of their application for permanent residence in Canada. Upon arrival in Canada, your parents signed a declaration that they would not sponsor you in the future,” the High Commission of Canada in New Delhi said in a letter to Daksh. “Therefore, you are excluded as a member of the family class.”

While immigration officials agreed the immigration minister could make an exemption if humanitarian considerations such as “the best interests of a child directly affected” were justified, they concluded in August 2014 that there were “insufficient humanitarian and compassionate factors” in this case.

“Based on the information submitted in the application, it appears that the child never resided with his parents and continuously resided with his grandparents,” said the immigration department’s Caron.

“The child was living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth. The humanitarian and compassionate considerations were refused.”

Bajaj, 31, said she has only been able to return to India to see Daksh once because both she and her husband, now a truck driver, were struggling to secure employment since their arrival. Although they chat every day with their little boy on Skype, it’s heartbreaking to watch him grow up over the Internet.

“Aman and I just cry all the time. We come home from work and we don’t even talk to each other because our child can’t be with us,” said Bajaj, who found a job as a lab technician earlier this year after toiling in unstable retail jobs.

“We came to Canada so our child can have a better life. My husband and I work very hard and we have never been on government welfare, even when life was difficult.”

An online petition to Immigration Minister John McCallum by the family’s supporters has already collected more than 11,000 signatures.

“Human beings make errors, honest mistakes, and people should not be punished for them, especially when no harm was intended or done. One of the individuals concerned is so young and needs to be with his parents,” said Matthew Behrens, who started the petition.

On Tuesday, the family’s supporters will take the petition to Parliament Hill, pleading with the government to issue the little boy a temporary resident permit so he can join his parents here.
 
印度移民顾问不会那么无知。

不知道他们为什么通过这个途径:

Instead, she said, the South Africa-based online immigration consulting firm they were using advised the couple to sponsor their son after their application was approved and they had arrived in Canada.
印度人移民那么多,这点基本知识不可能没有
 
人家说是South Africa Online Immigration Consulting firm:rolleyes:
对方回答问题的估计也是不过大脑的那种,FSW,带个孩子一点问题没有
他们自己犯了个"huge mistake",他们自己screwed it up/messed it up。
 
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