这案子，加拿大移民官员/记者理不清了；你怎么看？（更新：移民部长特批，男孩将先持TRV来加拿大，然后办PR）

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CBC Ottawa
December 28, 2014 ·
Bhavna Bajaj and Aman Sood made a public plea to Citizenship and Immigration Canada to allow their son Daksh, who is in India, to join them in Canada. Now the ministry explains that the immigration law that prevents the couple from sponsoring him is in place to protect against child trafficking.


Immigration law that split young family prevents child trafficking, government says
The immigration law that is preventing an Ottawa couple with permanent residency from sponsoring their three-year-old son to join them in Canada is in…
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Karry FortinThey had multiple opportunities to disclose the information and they chose not to. They shouldn't be separated from their child, I agree. So they should go back to India and be with their son until they sort it out. Rules were broken I am sick of every...See More
5 · December 28, 2014 at 1:16pm

Karen J ShaverWhy didn't one of them stay with their child? Everyone must apply legally and they didn't. They didn't disclose the pregnancy to CIC. They should have, and it's their fault this happened.
4 · December 28, 2014 at 11:15am · Edited

Pam HanlanWhat kind of a society do we live in if we create a box and tell everyone they must fit inside it?
1 · December 28, 2014 at 4:06pm

Beth-Anne MaxwellBut why would they withhold the baby?

"In general, if someone has a baby before applying to immigrate to Canada, they are expected to disclose that," he said. - if she "states" she told them she was pregnant why the issue? This reads as if they DIDNT tell immigration Canada they were pregnant??
2 · December 28, 2014 at 11:12am

Marnie PilonWell it's obvious to me but obviously not obvious to the idiot immigration officials that this is not an obvious case of child trafficking...
1 · December 28, 2014 at 11:08am

Chris HonzyboyThey lied on their application. Why should an exception be made for their misrepresentation? They should sue their stupid immigration 'consultant'.
1 · December 29, 2014 at 1:55pm

 

[b4w]

特鲁多允了是吗？我猜八成是这样。你们义正词严各种审判各种法理逻辑，然并卵，帅哥长的拽，你们都是浮云。

 

[boblee2000]

怎么搅混了？我是有感妈妈们批评那对印度夫妇把孩子丢在印度心狠的。印度夫妻为了更好的生活移民加拿大，暂时把孩子请父母抚养，等他们安顿好了再回头接孩子团聚。
我们中国农民工夫妻为了更好的生活，去城市打工，也是把孩子丢给父母抚养的，那可不是一个两个，是亿万父母哦。

1.那对父母完全可以把孩子办了移民以后，在送回国抚养，这种事情很正常。
2.别拿农民工说事，农民工把孩子放在父母那边那是实在没办法，才那么做，还有，没人说农民工在城市打工过的就是好生活。农民工应该是微生活所迫没办法才骨肉分离。
3.那对印度夫妇，没人逼她们，他们完全可以回去补资料，而且我也不相信他们是被逼的没办法才签字的。

 

[boblee2000]

这里批评他们投机取巧，我认为有点严重了
他们无非是要技术移民而已。申请的时候可能没怀孕，申请下来了，孩子有了的时候未必完全清楚必须马上申报
当他们在蒙特利尔登陆时，做那个选择，我认为是两难选一难，怎么选择，对他们来讲都是痛苦的，但是，谈不上投机取巧，他们不是要干什么不光彩的事情，无法是移民加拿大，无非是家庭团聚。

前面已经说得很明白了，申请的时候孩子肯定已经出生了，你可以仔细看下。我觉得那对夫妇肯定有别的打算。

 

[Chewy]

村长，您老怎么就是这么幸灾乐祸呀？看笑话很好玩吗？
同样一篇文章，我看到的是
1》他们听从的是移民顾问的建议，先去加拿大安置好后再申请孩子去，他们听了这个建议

Blame others, this trick never fails, right?

移民顾问让他们撒慌他们就撒慌啊？那要是移民顾问让他们把孩子卖了呢？

成年人了，对自己的决定负责，这不是多高的要求吧？

别跟我说他们不清楚条款，娃爹妈在英国待了几年，也是受过高等教育的人。CIC 写得清清楚楚的条款，偏要背道而驰，出现的问题，it is that da&n immigration consultant's fault! -- Seriously???!!!

这不是糊涂，是是非不分。

 

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Family of Indian boy separated from parents receives good and bad news (with video)
Hugh Adami, Ottawa Citizen
More from Hugh Adami, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: February 5, 2015 | Last Updated: February 11, 2015 9:34 AM EST

Things were beginning to look up for Daksh Sood, a 3 1/2-year-old boy stuck in India while his parents, permanent residents in Canada since early 2013, keep trying to convince Immigration authorities to allow their son to move in Canada on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

An online petition was posted on change.org after Matthew Behrens of Perth read the Public Citizen’s story about the plight of Daksh’s mother, Bhavna Bajaj, and father, Aman Sood. The petition, posted Jan. 25, has so far garnered support from about 6,400 people in Canada and countries around the world. It is hoped the petition and comments left on it by supporters will help sway Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander into action.

And on Jan. 29, the couple was informed by Immigration’s case management branch that it had received an email that Baja and Sood sent in November to authorities whom they thought could them, including Ottawa West-Nepean MP John Baird. The message eventually found its way to Immigration, probably through Baird’s office. The Jan. 29 response said the department would try to get back to them in 30 business days with a reply.

A subsequent email from Immigration, however, suggests the department could be mighty mixed up about the case.

That message, which arrived Tuesday, explained that as the matter was now before the Federal Court, case management was not in a position to discuss the case until the court dealt with it.

The case is not before the court. The court rejected a request to review it on Dec. 13, without explanation.

Daksh Sood chats with his parents by phone daily. Julie Oliver / Ottawa Citizen

The couple’s new immigration lawyer, Hadayt Nazami, who works out of Toronto, can’t believe that Immigration was not aware of the Federal Court’s decision. If it was up to speed, he says, case management officials could end the small family’s ordeal almost immediately.

“Because of the discretionary nature of immigration law, both (Chris Alexander) or the case management board can decide (this matter) by snapping their fingers.”

If it isn’t resolved by the government, Nazami says he will likely need to use the federal Access to Information Act to be able to acquire Immigration’s records before he knows exactly how to proceed.

One possibility to try to get Daksh into the country is with a temporary resident permit, and then working on permanent status once he is here. But a spokeswoman for the department says the parents “can re-apply to sponsor their child for permanent residence and include information to consider on humanitarian and compassionate grounds since the child is ineligible to be sponsored.”

That statement appears to be totally contradictory. The couple’s troubles with Immigration started when they failed to disclose they had a young son and their intentions to sponsor him before they left India for Canada in January 2013. Bajaj and Sood applied for permanent residency when Daksh was not yet born. They say they raised their son’s birth with their immigration consultant before they left, but were told to apply to sponsor the child once they arrived here.

Instead, they got a horrible surprise when they landed in Montreal. Not only would they not be able to bring Daksh to Canada once they settled in Ottawa, they were being threatened with immediate deportation unless they signed a document that they would never attempt to sponsor him for permanent residency. They say they signed the document in haste and confusion.

Daksh continues to live with his paternal grandparents in India, and the couple communicates regularly with him through Skype.

“It’s insane, the type of stuff that we see,” Nazami says.

“Children, by law, are considered a priority, (but) you don’t know what kind of decision-maker you get,” says Nazami. “I don’t know if they sit down and really think about these cases when you have kids involved, and exercise positive discretion.

“But at the end of the day, my opinion is all of it is irrelevant because (Daksh) is a child and (Immigration) should have acted quickly (so) they wouldn’t be apart for so long … the child is not to be punished for anybody else’s decision.”

Parents were unable to bring their son with them to Canada. Now they are getting conflicting messages from immigration officials. Julie Oliver / Ottawa Citizen

Nazami says he wants to make sure that “every step taken is in the best interest of the child,” adding: “It’s not just the responsibility of the parent. It’s also the responsibility of the government.”

他们上诉到联邦法院去了？

A subsequent email from Immigration, however, suggests the department could be mighty mixed up about the case.

That message, which arrived Tuesday, explained that as the matter was now before the Federal Court, case management was not in a position to discuss the case until the court dealt with it.

The case is not before the court. The court rejected a request to review it on Dec. 13, without explanation.

 

[阿土仔]

Blame others, this trick never fails, right?

移民顾问让他们撒慌他们就撒慌啊？那要是移民顾问让他们把孩子卖了呢？

成年人了，对自己的决定负责，这不是多高的要求吧？

别跟我说他们不清楚条款，娃爹妈在英国待了几年，也是受过高等教育的人。CIC 写得清清楚楚的条款，偏要背道而驰，出现的问题，it is that da&n immigration consultant's fault! -- Seriously???!!!

这不是糊涂，是是非不分。

移民表格中都有“授权声明”，授权移民顾问代理，法律上他们是一体的，所以不存在什么“是移民顾问的错，不是他们的错”。再者，文件都是自己签的吧？他们文盲吗？最后，在首次登陆时，移民官又给个他们机会，可他们仍旧坚持错误的选择。这就是明知故犯，以身试法，咎由自取！如果这样都行的话，加拿大将不是一个法治国家，一切凭当权者的喜好来定，与非洲的部落没什么两样。

 

[一亩三分地]

他们上诉到联邦法院去了？

A subsequent email from Immigration, however, suggests the department could be mighty mixed up about the case.

That message, which arrived Tuesday, explained that as the matter was now before the Federal Court, case management was not in a position to discuss the case until the court dealt with it.

The case is not before the court. The court rejected a request to review it on Dec. 13, without explanation.

The case is not before the court. The court rejected a request to review it on Dec. 13, without explanation.
这个最后是说他们败诉了吧

 

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The case is not before the court. The court rejected a request to review it on Dec. 13, without explanation.
这个最后是说他们败诉了吧

我觉得是拒绝受理。

法院很明智。

 

[阿土仔]

我觉得是拒绝受理。

法院很明智。

阿三真是奇葩辈出 ！

 

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Bhavna Bajaj says she never vowed her son would stay in India
Couple fighting to bring son to Canada after what they describe as application error
CBC News Posted: Dec 29, 2014 8:44 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 30, 2014 6:17 PM ET

Indian family upset by CIC response

An Indian woman with permanent resident status in Canada, and who is trying to bring her three-year-old son here, admits she didn't disclose she had a child before her arrival in Ottawa, but disputes the assertion she had agreed to keep him in India.

Citizenship and Immigration Canada says Bhavna Bajaj repeatedly failed to disclose she had a son, Daksh, until she arrived in Canada in January 2013. (Courtesy of the Bhavna Bajaj-Aman Sood family)

Citizenship and Immigration Canada said Bhavna Bajaj repeatedly failed to disclose that she had a son, Daksh, before she came to Ottawa. The department said that after she arrived, she signed a document saying her son would continue to live with his grandparents in India.

Bajaj and her husband, Aman Sood, say they're fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their son over what they have described as an application error.

The couple applied for permanent residency in 2011 when Bajaj was pregnant, they told CBC News. An immigration consultant had told them to head to Canada and sponsor their son after they arrived, they said.

In an emailed statement sent to CBC News on Monday, Citizenship and Immigration Canada said there was no mention of the son in Bajaj's 2011 application, even though he was born before the department received it in August 2011.

Son's existence not revealed until 2013, CIC says
Bajaj also didn't mention the baby at a medical exam in March 2012, or any time before her application was accepted in April 2012, the department said.

"It was only when she arrived in Canada in January 2013, and was interviewed by an officer, that she revealed that she had a son," reads the statement from spokeswoman Mary Jago.

Citizenship and Immigration Canada also said Bajaj decided not to add the child to her application in January 2013, and that Bajaj "stated that the child would remain in India with his grandparents and signed a solemn declaration to support this statement."

The couple later applied to sponsor their son on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, and the department said it refused the application because "it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."

Decision to not declare son based on legal advice
In a statement released Monday night, the couple said the decision not to declare the three-year-old in their application was "an honest mistake."

"We relied on the legal advice of the immigration consultant who told us that we could sponsor him once we settle down in Canada. We had the plan to sponsor him as soon as we get a place to stay and start working. We thought it would take a couple of months before we could sponsor him," they wrote.

The family also disputed the federal department's interpretation of what was in the "solemn declaration" Bajaj signed.

"Ms. Bajaj never signed any declaration which stated that her child would remain in India with his grandparents. There is no word 'grandparents', 'India' in declaration that we signed. We challenge the CIC to prove what it has claimed. If needed we will reveal the declaration the copy of which we have in our possession," they wrote.

The two also disputed the government's claim that they never resided with the child.

"The CIC is actually enhancing our agony by making unsubstantiated allegations against us. It is also trying to justify its action with logic that is not defensible," they wrote.

The two said that, despite the dispute, they still held out hope that the immigration minister could intervene.

"We believe that good sense will prevail and we will receive relief from the immigration minister."

Bajaj and her husband, Aman Sood, say they're fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their son over what they have described as an application error.

 

[xilihutu]

春长，能不能敬业点，2014年DEC的 News还是News吗？
另外，楼上几位正义的大侠，你们那些正义的吼声听见了，不过冷静点，吼叫前搞搞清楚，人只不过是解释一下他们为什么没有报小孩子，没有神马把过错推给别人，人陈述的是事实，不是什么罪恶，OKAY？
登陆时，也没有神马以身试法，相反，人告诉海关他们有孩子，按照律法给的两个痛苦的选择做的。
之后，人也是按照加拿大的法规申请Visitors VISA。现在是没有拿到Visitors VISA痛苦着，然后寻求帮助而已。寻求帮助意味着或许得到帮助，或许得不到帮助，都不存在神马以身试法不试法的事情，把你们的嫉恶发泄到恐怖分子上去吧。
我真的难以理解华人现在怎么这么Tough，各个苦大仇深嫉恶如仇的样子，搞得自己都是正义的化身一样，都不看看你们嘲笑的对象要求的是什么。
拜托各位，这里是加拿大，人寻求帮助，一切都是按照加拿大的程序进行着，没有神马值得你们嘲笑的。
另外，绅士点，表学那个老东西阿三长阿三短的，想象别的族裔称呼您支那人说那是昵称您能接受吗？

 

[b4w]

Couple pins hope on Trudeau government to be reunited with four-year-old son

咦，2014年的News吗？那他们求特鲁多干嘛？2014年特鲁多还不管事呢。

 

[Chewy]

Bajaj and her husband, Aman Sood, say they're fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their son over what they have described as an application error.

Fighting to change Canada's immigration laws 我没看错吧？

很想看看小土豆这界怎么处理这个问题。政府就此网开一面，太可怕了。释放的信号很重要。

 

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春长，能不能敬业点，2014年DEC的 News还是News吗？
另外，楼上几位正义的大侠，你们那些正义的吼声听见了，不过冷静点，吼叫前搞搞清楚，人只不过是解释一下他们为什么没有报小孩子，没有神马把过错推给别人，人陈述的是事实，不是什么罪恶，OKAY？
登陆时，也没有神马以身试法，相反，人告诉海关他们有孩子，按照律法给的两个痛苦的选择做的。
之后，人也是按照加拿大的法规申请Visitors VISA。现在是没有拿到Visitors VISA痛苦着，然后寻求帮助而已。寻求帮助意味着或许得到帮助，或许得不到帮助，都不存在神马以身试法不试法的事情，把你们的嫉恶发泄到恐怖分子上去吧。
我真的难以理解华人现在怎么这么Tough，各个苦大仇深嫉恶如仇的样子，搞得自己都是正义的化身一样，都不看看你们嘲笑的对象要求的是什么。
拜托各位，这里是加拿大，人寻求帮助，一切都是按照加拿大的程序进行着，没有神马值得你们嘲笑的。
另外，绅士点，表学那个老东西阿三长阿三短的，想象别的族裔称呼您支那人说那是昵称您能接受吗？

看新闻，就不需要看背景材料么？如果说NEWS，整个事件折腾一年多了，早就不是NEWS了，现在是后续报道。

把整个过程摆在这里大家读好啦。看看事情是如何被screwed up/messed up的，那"huge mistake"是如何发生的。

希望这事件对他人有所启迪。