美国5名专家的评论: 武汉实验室泄露病毒的论调简直无知(ZT)

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Experts debunk fringe theory linking China’s coronavirus to weapons research


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In a photo released by China’s Xinhua News Agency, a medical staff member wearing a protective suit works in the department of infectious diseases at Wuhan Union Hospital on Jan. 28. (Xiao Yijiu/Xinhua/AP)

By Adam Taylor

Jan. 29, 2020 at 5:00 a.m. EST

As China attempts to contain the spread of a new coronavirus that has left more than 100 people dead, rumors and disinformation have spread amid the scramble for answers.

Some of the speculation has centered on a virology institute in Wuhan, the city where the outbreak began. One fringe theory holds that the disaster could be the accidental result of biological weapons research.

But in conversations with The Washington Post, experts rejected the idea that the virus could be man-made.

“Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus,” said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University.

Tim Trevan, a biological safety expert based in Maryland, said most countries had largely abandoned their bioweapons research after years of work proved fruitless.
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“The vast majority of new, nasty diseases ... come from nature,” he said.

The British newspaper Daily Mail was among the first to suggest the possibility of a link between the newly spreading virus and the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, reporting last week that the lab, which opened in 2014 and is part of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, had been the subject of safety concerns in the past.

A separate article published by the Washington Times, a conservative newspaper in Washington, took the theories a step further, suggesting in a headline that the “Coronavirus may have originated in lab linked to China’s biowarfare program” and pointing to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The article cited research by Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer, who told The Post he did not want to comment further.

Despite little public evidence, the theory has spread widely on social media, to conspiracy theory websites and in some international news outlets.

The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is a “Cellular Level Biosafety Level 4” facility, which means it has a high level of operational security and is authorized to work on dangerous pathogens, including Ebola.

Those entering the level 4 lab use airlocks and protective suits. Waste, and even air, is heavily filtered and cleaned before leaving the facility.

Milton Leitenberg, an expert on chemical weapons at the University of Maryland, said he and other analysts around the world had discussed the possibility that weapons development at the Wuhan lab could have led to the coronavirus outbreak in a private email chain but that no one had found convincing evidence to support the theory.

“Of course, if they are doing bioweaponry, it is covert,” Leitenberg said in a phone call, but added it was unlikely the Chinese government would use such a facility for production or even research and development of bioweapons.

The Wuhan lab is well-known and it is relatively open compared with other Chinese institutes: It has strong ties to the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas Medical Branch and was developed with the aid of French engineers.

“Wuhan Institute of Virology is a world-class research institution that does world-class research in virology and immunology,” Ebright said, noting that one specialty of the facility was researching coronaviruses transmitted by bats.

Trevan, who was quoted in a 2017 article in Nature that warned of possible risks at the Wuhan facility that was cited by the Daily Mail, said in a phone call to The Post that he was concerned at the time about how to “manage risk in these complex systems when you cannot predict all the ways in which the system could fail.”

A former British diplomat and political adviser to the United Nations, he said he had not followed affairs at the facility closely since 2017 and was not aware of any specific problems there, but that he doubted the coronavirus outbreak could have come from a weapons program.

An annual State Department report released last year said China had engaged “in biological activities with potential dual-use applications.”

Elsa Kania, a fellow at the Center for a New American Security, said that while Chinese officials had expressed public interest in the potential weaponization of biotechnology, a coronavirus would not be a useful weapon.

“Hypothetically, a bioweapon would be designed to be highly targeted in its effects, whereas since its outbreak the coronavirus is already on track to become widespread in China

Vipin Narang, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote in a message on Twitter that a good bioweapon “in theory has high lethality but low, not [high], communicability” and that spreading such ideas would be “incredibly irresponsible.”

After the 2014 Ebola outbreak, fringe news outlets suggested spuriously that the U.S. Department of Defense had manufactured the virus. In the Soviet Union, military labs did look into whether the virus could be used as a weapon but ultimately abandoned those hopes.

The speculation may be linked to uncertainty over where the ongoing novel coronavirus outbreak originated. Some scientists initially suspected a seafood market in Wuhan may have been the starting point, but a study by Chinese researchers and published in the Lancet on Friday questioned that analysis.

Late Tuesday, Hu Xijin, editor of the nationalistic Global Times newspaper, wrote that a conspiracy theory had emerged in China that the United States was responsible for the outbreak. “Their logic: Why always China?” Hu wrote on Twitter. “But most Chinese don’t believe it.”

 
美国5名专家的评论: 武汉实验室泄露病毒的论调简直无知(ZT)

来源: 杨别青 于 2020-02-05 11:50:42

《华盛顿邮报》援引了相关领域5名专家的评论,他们均表示,武汉实验室泄露病毒的论调简直无知,并给读者进行了简单的科普。

美国罗格斯大学化学生物学教授理查德·艾布赖特(Richard Ebright):

根据病毒基因组和特性,没有任何迹象表明它是一种工程病毒。

"Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus," said Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University.

马里兰州生物安全专家蒂姆·特雷文(Tim Trevan):

“绝大多数新型、重大疾疫情……都不是人为的。

"The vast majority of new, nasty diseases ... come from nature," he said.

马里兰大学化学武器专家弥尔顿·利滕伯格(Milton Leitenberg):

跟全球的分析师在私人邮件里讨论过病毒是否可能是武汉实验室泄露的生化武器,没有任何人有让人信服的证据证明这一理论。

Milton Leitenberg, an expert on chemical weapons at the University of Maryland, said he and other analysts around the world had discussed the possibility that weapons development at the Wuhan lab could have led to the coronavirus outbreak in a private email chain but that no one had found convincing evidence to support the theory.

新美国安全中心的研究员埃尔莎·卡尼亚(Elsa Kania):

从理论上讲,生物武器将被设计成具有很强的针对性,而自从它爆发以来,冠状病毒已经广泛传播。

Hypothetically, a bioweapon would be designed to be highly targeted in its effects, whereas since its outbreak the coronavirus is already on track to become widespread in China and worldwide,” she said.

麻省理工学院教授维平·纳朗(Vipin Narang):

生物武器“理论上具有很高的致死率,低传播感染率”,传播这样的阴谋论“极其不负责任”。

...a good bioweapon "in theory has high lethality but low, not [high], communicability" and that spreading such ideas would be "incredibly irresponsible".

转自网友流沙河的的转贴

 
没有任何人有让人信服的证据证明这一理论。 :jiayou: :jiayou:
 
这些专家都是以普通美国人的心态和美国的管理水平来推测中国的事情。
网上看到。中国的科学家把致命病毒改造成可以传人,把2种致命病毒结合并改造成可以传人。这些都发表了相关论文。这些都是普通人无法理解的反人类行为,中国科学家做了。
 
普通美国人就楼上这种心态:rolleyes:
 
这些专家都是以普通美国人的心态和美国的管理水平来推测中国的事情。
网上看到。中国的科学家把致命病毒改造成可以传人,把2种致命病毒结合并改造成可以传人。这些都发表了相关论文。这些都是普通人无法理解的反人类行为,中国科学家做了。
就像那个基因编辑婴儿实验一样。
 
态度本身就是有问题,就凭人类目前对病毒的研究,根本就得不出这样的结论。就比如一个非常复杂的机器,你只知道一点皮毛,你不小心动了一下,机器出现问题,然后你就得出结论说不可能是我弄坏的。
 
没有任何人有让人信服的证据证明这一理论。 :jiayou: :jiayou:
态度本身就是有问题,就凭人类目前对病毒的研究,根本就得不出这样的结论。就比如一个非常复杂的机器,你只知道一点皮毛,你不小心动了一下,机器出现问题,然后你就得出结论说不可能是我弄坏的。
请问两位能不能指明“这”是哪个?是武汉实验室泄露论,还是不可能泄露论?
 
我说的“这”是指专家认为不是泄漏。

这里的泄漏我认为还可以理解为人为的干预。就比如蝴蝶效应,谁也证明不了,这是显而易见的事情,但事实呢。
 
基因编辑婴儿就是跟哈弗大学教授合作做的。
据说他没有想到国人要怎么做。后来怕了退出了。中美合作病毒研究也是据说老美觉得不对劲,2015 年退出了。
 
不大相信。因为这种"反人类行为"是以公开的学术论文形式广告天下,与"管理不善而爆光"沒有关系。
那个基因编辑婴儿开始也是以重大科技成果的形式昭告天下的。然后,就是那句常用的话:搬起石头砸自己的脚。被广泛质疑和批评,最后,始作俑者判刑了。
 
这些专家都是以普通美国人的心态和美国的管理水平来推测中国的事情。
网上看到。中国的科学家把致命病毒改造成可以传人,把2种致命病毒结合并改造成可以传人。这些都发表了相关论文。这些都是普通人无法理解的反人类行为,中国科学家做了。
你是说那些在这个领域的专业人士看不到那些所谓反人类的论文?
 
当然不是泄露,故意投放和泄露怎么会是一个概念。
 
据说他没有想到国人要怎么做。后来怕了退出了。中美合作病毒研究也是据说老美觉得不对劲,2015 年退出了。
“据说”? 在事关人命伦理的话题里,用谈论明星八卦常用的“据说”,你不觉得太草率和轻浮么?
 
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