TechInsights 是渥太华公司？

[Seraph72]

下面不也写着是经过analyzed后concluded的么？

 

[billwanhua]

除非得到中芯国际的证实，所有的分析都只能根据得到的数据进行推测。以Techinsights在业界的声誉，除非它看到了solid evidence, 我觉得它不会用concluded这么肯定的语气说中芯国际用了EUV

我觉得可能性非常非常小，telegraph 可能是小媒体，报道不严谨。

Huawei Mate 60 Pro Teardown Confirms Chinese 7nm Breakthrough

A teardown by TechInsights confirms what was suspected for a little while. The Huawei Mate 60 Pro is powered by a Chinese-made SoC.

www.nextpit.com

Despite the breakthrough, TechInsights revealed that the SMIC tech doesn't feature the extreme ultra-violet (EUV) lithography technique mastered by its rivals and a key component to the 5nm-class generation. EUV machinery is exclusively sold by Dutch-based ASML and is subject to export controls by the US government.

这上面说不是

 

[春夏之交]

下面不也写着是经过analyzed后concluded的么？

浏览附件1109396

这不是TechInsights自己说的。

 

[billwanhua]

TechInsights Finds SMIC 7nm (N+2) in Huawei Mate 60 Pro | TechInsights

TechInsights, the semiconductor industry's leading information platform, conducted an analysis of the Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone and uncovered groundbreaking evidence of SMIC's 7nm (N+2) technology, marking a significant milestone in China's domestic design and manufacturing capabilities.

www.techinsights.com

TechInsights

Technology Discovery

TechInsights Finds SMIC 7nm (N+2) in Huawei Mate 60 Pro​

TechInsights, the authoritative information platform of the semiconductor industry, analyzed the new Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone in the last 24 hours. The Mate 60 Pro was expected to include a 5G application processor and SoC (system-on-chip) from HiSilicon, the Kirin 9000s.
Explore Our Findings on the TechInsights Platform
The team found evidence of SMIC 7nm (N+2) which represents a made-in-China design and manufacturing milestone for the most advanced Chinese foundry TechInsights has documented. Some of the highlights include:

• The Kirin 9000s die measured 107 mm2, which is 2% larger than the Kirin 9000 (105 mm2). From various identifying features on the die, the team concluded the processor is manufactured by SMIC.
• Initial lab results indicated that this die is more advanced than SMIC’s 14nm process node but presents larger critical dimensions (CDs) than what TechInsights has observed for 5nm process.
• Additional measurements of critical dimensions (CDs) on the die, including logic gate pitch, fin pitch and lower back-end-of-line (BEOL) metallization pitches, the analyst team concluded the die has 7nm features.

“Discovering a Kirin chip using SMIC’s 7nm (N+2) foundry process in the new Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone demonstrates the technical progress China’s semiconductor industry has been able to make without EUV lithography tools,” said Dan Hutcheson, Vice Chair of TechInsights. “The difficulty of this achievement also shows the resilience of the country’s chip technological ability. At the same time, it is a great geopolitical challenge to the countries who have sought to restrict its access to critical manufacturing technologies. The result may likely be even greater restrictions than what exist today.”
“This also reinforces TechInsights commitment to speed and quality of analyzing critical industry advancements,” said Gavin Carter, CEO, TechInsights. “The TechInsights team moved at a lightning pace to ensure we can bring this insight to the market using our Ottawa, Canada based industry-leading laboratory and highly technical engineering team this type of deep dive analysis.”

美国目标是控制16nm以下制程，显然7nm远超了，可能美国要出台更严厉措施

 

[JeanJi]

中芯没有EUV，仔细看“demonstrates the technical progress China’s semiconductor industry has been able to make without EUV lithography tools,” said Dan Hutcheson, Vice Chair of TechInsights.”

 

[春夏秋鼕]

实锤7nm+5G两大成就，EUV肯定没有

 

[welcomelm]

TechInsights Finds SMIC 7nm (N+2) in Huawei Mate 60 Pro | TechInsights

TechInsights, the semiconductor industry's leading information platform, conducted an analysis of the Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone and uncovered groundbreaking evidence of SMIC's 7nm (N+2) technology, marking a significant milestone in China's domestic design and manufacturing capabilities.

www.techinsights.com

TechInsights

Technology Discovery

TechInsights Finds SMIC 7nm (N+2) in Huawei Mate 60 Pro​

TechInsights, the authoritative information platform of the semiconductor industry, analyzed the new Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone in the last 24 hours. The Mate 60 Pro was expected to include a 5G application processor and SoC (system-on-chip) from HiSilicon, the Kirin 9000s.
Explore Our Findings on the TechInsights Platform
The team found evidence of SMIC 7nm (N+2) which represents a made-in-China design and manufacturing milestone for the most advanced Chinese foundry TechInsights has documented. Some of the highlights include:

• The Kirin 9000s die measured 107 mm2, which is 2% larger than the Kirin 9000 (105 mm2). From various identifying features on the die, the team concluded the processor is manufactured by SMIC.
• Initial lab results indicated that this die is more advanced than SMIC’s 14nm process node but presents larger critical dimensions (CDs) than what TechInsights has observed for 5nm process.
• Additional measurements of critical dimensions (CDs) on the die, including logic gate pitch, fin pitch and lower back-end-of-line (BEOL) metallization pitches, the analyst team concluded the die has 7nm features.

“Discovering a Kirin chip using SMIC’s 7nm (N+2) foundry process in the new Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone demonstrates the technical progress China’s semiconductor industry has been able to make without EUV lithography tools,” said Dan Hutcheson, Vice Chair of TechInsights. “The difficulty of this achievement also shows the resilience of the country’s chip technological ability. At the same time, it is a great geopolitical challenge to the countries who have sought to restrict its access to critical manufacturing technologies. The result may likely be even greater restrictions than what exist today.”
“This also reinforces TechInsights commitment to speed and quality of analyzing critical industry advancements,” said Gavin Carter, CEO, TechInsights. “The TechInsights team moved at a lightning pace to ensure we can bring this insight to the market using our Ottawa, Canada based industry-leading laboratory and highly technical engineering team this type of deep dive analysis.”

美国目标是控制16nm以下制程，显然7nm远超了，可能美国要出台更严厉措施

那就只能禁止多重曝光的duv了，如果duv都有了，那就没什么可控制的了。

 

[春夏之交]

中国有大量的DUV。
中国没有EUV，而有EUV的公司不得不关闭部分EUV，因为没有那么多订单。

 

[welcomelm]

中国有大量的DUV。
中国没有EUV，而有EUV的公司不得不关闭部分EUV，因为没有那么多订单。

好像有手段控制如果没有key可以让duv开不了机，除非自己造duv。这次就有传闻要不然就是拜登给中芯特别许可，要不然就是中芯把duv给黑了。

 

[春夏之交]

好像有手段控制如果没有key可以让duv开不了机，除非自己造duv

我花钱买了你的产品，你控制不让我开机？西方的流氓程度被你夸大了。

 

[JeanJi]

我花钱买了你的产品，你控制不让我开机？西方的流氓程度被你夸大了。

长江存储的DUV光刻机得不到ASML的维护保养和零部件，不能正常生产，他们的老板嚷着要ASML买回去。。。

 

[春夏之交]

长江存储的DUV光刻机得不到ASML的维护保养和零部件，不能正常生产，他们的老板嚷着要ASML买回去。。。

这要看够买合同是怎么写的。
零件和维护部分包括哪些。

 

[Seraph72]

TechInsights Finds SMIC 7nm (N+2) in Huawei Mate 60 Pro | TechInsights

TechInsights, the semiconductor industry's leading information platform, conducted an analysis of the Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone and uncovered groundbreaking evidence of SMIC's 7nm (N+2) technology, marking a significant milestone in China's domestic design and manufacturing capabilities.

www.techinsights.com

TechInsights

Technology Discovery

TechInsights Finds SMIC 7nm (N+2) in Huawei Mate 60 Pro​

TechInsights, the authoritative information platform of the semiconductor industry, analyzed the new Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone in the last 24 hours. The Mate 60 Pro was expected to include a 5G application processor and SoC (system-on-chip) from HiSilicon, the Kirin 9000s.
Explore Our Findings on the TechInsights Platform
The team found evidence of SMIC 7nm (N+2) which represents a made-in-China design and manufacturing milestone for the most advanced Chinese foundry TechInsights has documented. Some of the highlights include:

• The Kirin 9000s die measured 107 mm2, which is 2% larger than the Kirin 9000 (105 mm2). From various identifying features on the die, the team concluded the processor is manufactured by SMIC.
• Initial lab results indicated that this die is more advanced than SMIC’s 14nm process node but presents larger critical dimensions (CDs) than what TechInsights has observed for 5nm process.
• Additional measurements of critical dimensions (CDs) on the die, including logic gate pitch, fin pitch and lower back-end-of-line (BEOL) metallization pitches, the analyst team concluded the die has 7nm features.

“Discovering a Kirin chip using SMIC’s 7nm (N+2) foundry process in the new Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone demonstrates the technical progress China’s semiconductor industry has been able to make without EUV lithography tools,” said Dan Hutcheson, Vice Chair of TechInsights. “The difficulty of this achievement also shows the resilience of the country’s chip technological ability. At the same time, it is a great geopolitical challenge to the countries who have sought to restrict its access to critical manufacturing technologies. The result may likely be even greater restrictions than what exist today.”
“This also reinforces TechInsights commitment to speed and quality of analyzing critical industry advancements,” said Gavin Carter, CEO, TechInsights. “The TechInsights team moved at a lightning pace to ensure we can bring this insight to the market using our Ottawa, Canada based industry-leading laboratory and highly technical engineering team this type of deep dive analysis.”

美国目标是控制16nm以下制程，显然7nm远超了，可能美国要出台更严厉措施

16nm以下都禁不住了，还能怎么更严厉？根本连所有光刻机都不让中国用？

 

[ert0000]

TOP 2 财经媒体 BLOOMBERG 也确认华人的是7NS 技术水平

 

[Seraph72]

TOP 2 财经媒体 BLOOMBERG 也确认华人的是7NS 技术水平

浏览附件1109438

BloomBerg用的是TechInsights的结果