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Bravo! This is what I'd call a real discussion. 
I agree with most of your arguments. However the fact that you brought up "democracy" shows your misunderstanding of the problems that created this what I call "social injustice" in the first place.
I said before that democracy is a luxury that these poor and hungry simply cannot afford, so let's just forget about it. What I was talking about, and perhaps I wasn't clear enough, was the urgent need for a social reform: universal health care, employment insurance, government subsidy to farmers, interest-free loans...programs that can really help these unfortunates. And I do believe that there are programs available on the surface already, but the scope of these programs needs to be largely expanded, and the administration of these programs has to be closely monitored, preferably corruption-free.
These capitalistic countries today like US or Canada are not pure capitalistic, aren't they? Why? Because they realized that long-term, steady profit-making is actually more beneficial than the short-term exploitation. Social programs were created to help the need to survival. Of course these countries had a head-start on China, they've gone through the hardship and learned their lessons, now is China's turn.
Injustice creates instability, and instability in any form if not rectified will lead to the final collapse, even the Chinese government realizes that. What we need first and foremost is a deeply committed government, but we don't have that now, not yet.

I agree with most of your arguments. However the fact that you brought up "democracy" shows your misunderstanding of the problems that created this what I call "social injustice" in the first place.
I said before that democracy is a luxury that these poor and hungry simply cannot afford, so let's just forget about it. What I was talking about, and perhaps I wasn't clear enough, was the urgent need for a social reform: universal health care, employment insurance, government subsidy to farmers, interest-free loans...programs that can really help these unfortunates. And I do believe that there are programs available on the surface already, but the scope of these programs needs to be largely expanded, and the administration of these programs has to be closely monitored, preferably corruption-free.
These capitalistic countries today like US or Canada are not pure capitalistic, aren't they? Why? Because they realized that long-term, steady profit-making is actually more beneficial than the short-term exploitation. Social programs were created to help the need to survival. Of course these countries had a head-start on China, they've gone through the hardship and learned their lessons, now is China's turn.
Injustice creates instability, and instability in any form if not rectified will lead to the final collapse, even the Chinese government realizes that. What we need first and foremost is a deeply committed government, but we don't have that now, not yet.
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大家省省吧,谁也说服不了谁,而且说着说着就跑题了。我们上大学的时候就是这样,本来讨论是否该给一个女孩“校花”的称号,天亮的时候,话题变成了食堂哪个大师傅给的菜分量足。
对於崇拜美国的,如果你认为入侵伊拉克是正义的,美国的报纸是中立公正的。。那你是被山姆大叔英俊的“民主”外表迷惑了,也难怪,情窦初开的少女都这样。
对於维护中国政府的,如果你认为矿难死几个人没什么,改革总是要有代价的。。那你是被国内精英的“牺牲”理论洗脑变得残酷了,也没办法,摸着石头过河就是这样。
私下里认为,中国现在主要问题是邓小平留下的“发展才是硬道理”的口号,“一切以经济建设为中心”本身就是错误的,它只能导致一个结果:新的一轮大跃进。而且这一次不仅仅是钢铁的大跃进,而是一场全面的,以道德和环境为代价的大跃进。全体人民只认识钱,不惜一切代价发展经济。数数各地的政绩工程,看看大大小小的破坏环境而盈利极小的乡镇企业(钱被西方公司拿走了),满大街的娼妓。。。结果可能比当年的大跃进更惨。如何避免?我不知道。但是,现在进行政治改革绝对不是好办法,就好像一个人病在胸口,你偏要在脚上开刀,结果很可能就是病没治好,反而流血过多,死了。为什么?因为政治改革只有两个方向:皇帝或民主。皇帝不可能,因为大家都想作,就意味谁也作不成。民主?确实是个好玩意,但是“没民主过,还真不知道怎么用”,“娇贵”的东西都需要环境和条件。看看东南亚一些SB国家跟在美国后面搞民主现在什么样了?再看看台湾,乌克兰的民主。突然一下子民主了,中国必然分裂,然后就是内乱。不信?问问新疆,西藏的那些独立分子们,然后台湾也独立了,向中国有了领海要求,就是香港和澳门都可能趁火打劫。内地各种民运分子和势力(美国必会扶植一些人)相继登台,想不乱都难。况且,想政改的人只看到了多党制的监督作用,没看到资本主义多党制的本质:你这个政党想上台,没钱行吗?哪来的钱?还不是资本家给的,那你上台后为谁说话?资本的最大本质就是“利益最大化”,到时候中国人民更惨!美国发展多年,人口只有中国的五分之一,拥有这个世界几乎一半的财富,尚且不能保证它的子民全都过上富裕生活,何况一个新兴的资本主义中国。我真的不知道如何解决中国的贫富分化问题,但是,中国政府确实应该抛弃“一切以经济建设为中心”的口号了。