最初由 roaring mouse 发布
I do not question your intelligence, but I do question about your diligence for you only have read it three times.
Government, for evil or for good, is chosen by its people who have the power to change the way goverment behaves or change the government itself. As a Chinese citizen, you have your own right to do so, either by ballot or by bullet or some other means, which you apparently did not do. The American people chose to get rid of British government because of intoerable oppression by the British government. The black chose to end racial segregation in the US by forcing the goverment to mend its ways.
How about we the Chinese? Did you stand up and fight like the courageous young man who stood in front of the column of tanks in Beijing in 1989? Would you rather stand up and speak up and face the danger of being jailed than keep silent about wrongs by a government. If you talk about democracy, it is about people power and it is about your standing up ending the wrongs of a government or the government.
Have you carried any guilt llike me? I fought in 1989, but when I looked at the face of death, I ran away. Or do you have the courage to admit your guilt, even before your god?
Government's faults are from its people, if you choose not to fight.
最初由 roaring mouse 发布
Yokel, this time I question your intelligence.
"Religion is like sex" is a statement made by many others. Religon invovles love, compassion, inter-course, struggle, devotion and union. It is uplifting, gratifying and rewarding. Without that, it would be degrading. This should be said by the farmer (Nongmingong) not me. Passion is not adquate, Yokel, sit down and read and become enlightened, otherwises, life would be full of surprises.
"Government, for evil or for good, is chosen by its people who have the power to change the way government behaves or change the government itself."
"The American people chose to get rid of British government because of intoerable oppression by the British government."
It's just to show how ignorant you are. The American British War around 1777 was totally different from the situation in China today. Here are some of the differences:
- There were very few British army in the colonies unlike the army, armed police, police, secrete police etc all over the places in China.
- No media control from British government
- No systematic governmental control on society from the top to the smallest unit in villages
- No nation-wide British police control
- No firearm control
- No control on forming armies and militia, and parties
- Big culture difference
The list can go on and on. Does any of the factors apply to China? If China had only one difference such as having a freedom of press, then you will see difference.
"Did you stand up and fight like the courageous young man who stood in front of the column of tanks in Beijing in 1989?"
There
ARE many ways to improve the democracy in China. Protesting in Tian An Meng Square in 89 may not be the most efficient way to do that. It is definitely not the only way to do it. Have you heard Gandhi's Peace (or None-Violance) Movement which dethroned the British government in India? That's just to show there are many other ways to do it. Improving democracy is like everything in life that is
doing the right thing at the right time. I guess this approach or mentality is against your
"black or white" way of thinking.
It's hard to believe for someone approaching 40 and still having this type of mentality. Or he is deliberately trying to confuse/mislead people. Or these are things he just dare not to say in order to protect what he's got even if he knew it is an absolute truth...
It's a bit hypocritic and insidious for such a person to try to on one hand blame Chinese people for the existance of the totalitarian regime that'll not hesitate to use machine guns and tanks on its citizens, and on the other hand incite people should use force at all costs to
"stand up and fight" and
"face the danger of being jailed", isn't it?...
I am not saying that citizens have no responsibilities to participate in improving democracy, but purposely exagerating the role of forceful or violant actions by citizens at a particular point in history is misleading and dangerous to the cause of democracy in China.
"The black chose to end racial segregation in the US by forcing the government to mend its ways."
Ignorant again. The US black movement in the 60s could
ONLY exist or happen in a democratic society. In today's China there's abolutely no freedom of association. You could not even form a union in a factory, let alone a city-wide, province-wide, or nation-wide union in any trade, let more alone a nation-wide organization with cross-board social agendas such as the black movement/organization led by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr..
"do you have the courage to admit your guilt, even before your god?"
Now you are both pretending a judge passing a verdict that I already have a guilt, and acting like a religious fanatic pushing a God on me. I have already told you that I do not consider myself Christian, and how many times I need to tell you again? Also, I do not have guilt for what happened in 98 in Beijing, although I do have sympathy for those young lives lost and I do have condolence for their families. Take is easy, you're getting a bit too desperate...
""Religion is like sex" is a statement made by many others."
- First of all, I am not sure how
"many others" have made that statement, or have that kind of belief, or even have that kind of thought. Maybe you heard it a lot from people around you, but definitely not that often down here. You can ask people in the forum how often they hear that.
- Second, I haven't seen any authoritative religious books such as the Bible and Koran etc. preaching this kind of doctrines, or even implying this kind of idea/thought.
- Third, it seems to show that your judgement of truth is very much depending on the number of people who say so or you claim they say so. Most mature people with certain amount of intelligence would rather judge by facts or merits.
- Fourth, religious or spiritual experiences brings you the realm and depth that are much more than what sex may bring you. For example, it may give you the spiritual enlightenment or height/level of spiritual purification that sex could not reach. If that were the case, sex would have long replaced all kinds of meditations and abstinence.
There are many things you do in life can give you the feelings you mentioned, but that doesn't mean doing all those things are necessarily religious experiences or religious practice. For example, after long and excruciating wait, you finally had the chance to go to washroom to do your business. You then feel
"gratifying" and
"uplifting". You tell me how many people'll be running out of washroom shouting
"Religion is like sh*ting!"? I won't be surprised to see you are the only one who is shouting that statement and keeps telling us
"that is a statement made by many others." I would recommend you stop trying so hard to hide the ugliness of your statement and your shallow and distorted understanding of religions because everyone can see your statement is degrading, cynical, bitter and sacrilegious towards religions and people who believe in them.
By the way, what are the new exciting discoveries you have found after comparing China with the countries of your favorite category?...
Having seen all what you believe and what you have said in your last several comments, I still won't question your intelligence, because it is not only a game only kids enjoy playing and only for those so insecured about their intelligence, but also won't be necessary now...
