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roaring mouse
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u do not seem to be a christian. even god takes sunday off.
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最初由 yokel 发布
"Government, for evil or for good, is chosen by its people who have the power to change the way government behaves or change the government itself."
"The American people chose to get rid of British government because of intoerable oppression by the British government."
It's just to show how ignorant you are. The American British War around 1777 was totally different from the situation in China today. Here are some of the differences:
- There were very few British army in the colonies unlike the army, armed police, police, secrete police etc all over the places in China.
- No media control from British government
- No systematic governmental control on society from the top to the smallest unit in villages
- No nation-wide British police control
- No firearm control
- No control on forming armies and militia, and parties
- Big culture difference
The list can go on and on. Does any of the factors apply to China? If China had only one difference such as having a freedom of press, then you will see difference.
"Did you stand up and fight like the courageous young man who stood in front of the column of tanks in Beijing in 1989?"
There ARE many ways to improve the democracy in China. Protesting in Tian An Meng Square in 89 may not be the most efficient way to do that. It is definitely not the only way to do it. Have you heard Gandhi's Peace (or None-Violance) Movement which dethroned the British government in India? That's just to show there are many other ways to do it. Improving democracy is like everything in life that is doing the right thing at the right time. I guess this approach or mentality is against your "black or white" way of thinking.
It's hard to believe for someone approaching 40 and still having this type of mentality. Or he is deliberately trying to confuse/mislead people. Or these are things he just dare not to say in order to protect what he's got even if he knew it is an absolute truth...It's a bit hypocritic and insidious for such a person to try to on one hand blame Chinese people for the existance of the totalitarian regime that'll not hesitate to use machine guns and tanks on its citizens, and on the other hand incite people should use force at all costs to "stand up and fight" and "face the danger of being jailed", isn't it?...
I am not saying that citizens have no responsibilities to participate in improving democracy, but purposely exagerating the role of forceful or violant actions by citizens at a particular point in history is misleading and dangerous to the cause of democracy in China.
"The black chose to end racial segregation in the US by forcing the government to mend its ways."
Ignorant again. The US black movement in the 60s could ONLY exist or happen in a democratic society. In today's China there's abolutely no freedom of association. You could not even form a union in a factory, let alone a city-wide, province-wide, or nation-wide union in any trade, let more alone a nation-wide organization with cross-board social agendas such as the black movement/organization led by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr..
"do you have the courage to admit your guilt, even before your god?"
Now you are both pretending a judge passing a verdict that I already have a guilt, and acting like a religious fanatic pushing a God on me. I have already told you that I do not consider myself Christian, and how many times I need to tell you again? Also, I do not have guilt for what happened in 98 in Beijing, although I do have sympathy for those young lives lost and I do have condolence for their families. Take is easy, you're getting a bit too desperate...
""Religion is like sex" is a statement made by many others."
- First of all, I am not sure how "many others" have made that statement, or have that kind of belief, or even have that kind of thought. Maybe you heard it a lot from people around you, but definitely not that often down here. You can ask people in the forum how often they hear that.
- Second, I haven't seen any authoritative religious books such as the Bible and Koran etc. preaching this kind of doctrines, or even implying this kind of idea/thought.
- Third, it seems to show that your judgement of truth is very much depending on the number of people who say so or you claim they say so. Most mature people with certain amount of intelligence would rather judge by facts or merits.
- Fourth, religious or spiritual experiences brings you the realm and depth that are much more than what sex may bring you. For example, it may give you the spiritual enlightenment or height/level of spiritual purification that sex could not reach. If that were the case, sex would have long replaced all kinds of meditations and abstinence.
There are many things you do in life can give you the feelings you mentioned, but that doesn't mean doing all those things are necessarily religious experiences or religious practice. For example, after long and excruciating wait, you finally had the chance to go to washroom to do your business. You then feel "gratifying" and "uplifting". You tell me how many people'll be running out of washroom shouting "Religion is like sh*ting!"? I won't be surprised to see you are the only one who is shouting that statement and keeps telling us "that is a statement made by many others." I would recommend you stop trying so hard to hide the ugliness of your statement and your shallow and distorted understanding of religions because everyone can see your statement is degrading, cynical, bitter and sacrilegious towards religions and people who believe in them.
By the way, what are the new exciting discoveries you have found after comparing China with the countries of your favorite category?...
Having seen all what you believe and what you have said in your last several comments, I still won't question your intelligence, because it is not only a game only kids enjoy playing and only for those so insecured about their intelligence, but also won't be necessary now...
yokel. by your viewpoints, no social progress is possible. there has to be a beginning. if u think china is tightly controlled and you cannot and dare not fight back, then stop whining and patiently suffer your fate. Government's faults are from its people. If people do not stand up to rectify the faults, the faults will continue. See the courageous people of Nepal and see how they fight to end un-democracy. By your viewpoints, even the Americans could not win the war against the British, whose army was far more powerful than the American farmer army. The communists would never have won over the KMT as the KMT army was far superior to the Mao's peasant army. Because China has people like you, it could be invaded by the manchurians and the japanese because you dared not to fight a more powerful enemy.
I think you have never heard of civil disobedience. When you accept defeat, you are defeated.
roaring mouse
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据说白人的基因中，都含有那个1百万年前的黑人基因，即使他们是从未混血过的白人。 our genes are not much differnt from those of chickens. you believers could wish monkeys, snakes, dogs all use different gentic codes.
按照圣经的话，搞乱人们的语言并把人分散到各地的正是这个造物主或者这个神圣的规律和本质。how could your god do that? people spoke the same language and suddenly they spoke different languages. these folks must be smart as it took time to master a different language. your god did not want people to cooperate by communication.
roaring mouse
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glad you find it gratifying in the washroom. hope your soul is washed clean there too.
世人多跳不出用主观标准去判定事物善恶的局限. 和客观存在的万事万物一样, 人类的"言语交流"这个东西本无所谓好与坏, 只不过其看似"有利于"所谓"物质文明"的"发展"而被人类赋予"好"的头衔, 因而阻碍"交流"的一切则顺理成章地被视为"不好". 其实顺畅的"交流"会将人类带向何方, 只有"天"知道. "阻碍交流"对人类是"好"是'坏", 也只有"天"知道.
在真正永恒自在的那个"存在"(我不知其名, 强谓之"天", 或"道", 或"神"...)面前, 万物都是渺小的因而也都是平等的. 老子所言"天地不仁, 以万物为刍狗"正是此意.
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您的第一个回答，需要去读关于基因学，还有最新的关于人种起源的研究报告，不是您一句话就可以否定掉专家学者在这方面的研究的。
没说是突然，可以不解释成突然。在人们还使用石器的时代，语言和词汇不那么丰富，经过上万年的发展，在不同的地域的人们语言很可能变得完全不一样了。那时候的人们如果都聚集在一地，而不是走向世界各地，甚至聚集在一起用石头来建造一个火箭那样的塔，就算沟通的好，都是用一种语言，那恐怕不是什么好事吧？没有竞争怎么能有进步？如果现代人的鼻祖确实是从非洲走出来的，需要人们覆盖整个大地才是最要紧的欧。
roaring mouse
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the question is why god stopped folks from speaking the same language in the same place. does god speak all the languages in the world or the universe?
roaring mouse
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the event happened suddenly if you read your nt well. i remember it was when the poor folks tried to build a tower to rival heaven.
如果现代人的鼻祖确实是从非洲走出来的，需要人们覆盖整个大地才是最要紧的欧。in the first place, people had to stay togather to ward off the threats of nature and also for the purpose of multiplication. when homo sapiens reached a critical mass in a confined area, then there was the need to migrate. if there were only a man and woman, one went to asia and the other went to antartica, that defeated the purpose of your god.
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Pope reviews guidance on use of condoms
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times
The Roman Catholic church could be about to relax its ban on the use of condoms in fighting Aids.
A senior cardinal in Rome has disclosed that Pope Benedict XVI has asked that a Vatican council prepare a document on the issue.
Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan, President of the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Workers, declined to reveal the contents of the document.
But in an interview published in Sunday’s La Repubblica newspaper, he said that the Pope had asked his department to study the issue.
The former archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, called for a reform of the Catholic Church’s stance on condoms in an interview published in L’Espresso on Friday.
Cardinal Martini, described by the prominent lay Catholic William Rees-Mogg in today’s Times as "the liberal Pope who was never elected," called for a change in the policy by referring to cases where one partner in a marriage was infected with Aids.
"This person has an obligation to protect the other partner and the other partner also has to protect themselves," he said.
The Vatican opposes condoms as a form of contraception. The ban was spelled out in Pope Paul VI’s encyclical Humanae Vitae, where artificial birth control was described as "evil".
In the later encyclical, Veritatis Splendour, Pope John Paul II strengthened this to "intrinsically evil".
Nevertheless, vast numbers of Catholic laity, probably the majority in the West at least, ignore this prohibition, often with the silent acquiescence of their clergy.
Several cardinals have also said in recent years that using condoms is a lesser evil if the alternative is infection HIV.
In Aids-ravaged Africa, the Church has steadfastly maintained its traditional line that chastity and abstinence are the best way to prevent Aids.
But this approach distresses workers on the ground, who regularly see wives who stick by the Catholic teachings of fidelity in marriage infected by their promiscuous husbands. The women and men then die, leaving young children and babies as orphans.
The Church does however run many hospitals and other institutions to help Aids victims. If the ban is not relaxed in the new document, as remains possible, it will be because the Pope still fears that using condoms to fight Aids will merely foster further the immoral and hedonistic lifestyles that contribute to its spread.
hi, wushuren, you may be able to use condoms.
In March this year, the Associated Press reported that a Catholic bishop working to combat Aids in Papua New Guinea, where 1.7 of the population or 47,000 people are infected with HIV or have Aids, had questioned the condom ban.
Bishop Gilles Cote, a French Canadian, said that he was in favour of governments providing condoms to communities where extramarital sex and multiple partners were common.
The bishop said this argument was not in conflict with the church as Christian teaching followed the commandment: "Thou shalt not kill."
The Mexican-born Cardinal Barragan told La Repubblica: "This is a very difficult and delicate subject that requires prudence. My department is studying this closely with scientists and theologians expressly assigned to draft a document that will be issued soon."
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times
The Roman Catholic church could be about to relax its ban on the use of condoms in fighting Aids.
A senior cardinal in Rome has disclosed that Pope Benedict XVI has asked that a Vatican council prepare a document on the issue.
Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan, President of the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Workers, declined to reveal the contents of the document.
But in an interview published in Sunday’s La Repubblica newspaper, he said that the Pope had asked his department to study the issue.
The former archbishop of Milan, Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, called for a reform of the Catholic Church’s stance on condoms in an interview published in L’Espresso on Friday.
Cardinal Martini, described by the prominent lay Catholic William Rees-Mogg in today’s Times as "the liberal Pope who was never elected," called for a change in the policy by referring to cases where one partner in a marriage was infected with Aids.
"This person has an obligation to protect the other partner and the other partner also has to protect themselves," he said.
The Vatican opposes condoms as a form of contraception. The ban was spelled out in Pope Paul VI’s encyclical Humanae Vitae, where artificial birth control was described as "evil".
In the later encyclical, Veritatis Splendour, Pope John Paul II strengthened this to "intrinsically evil".
Nevertheless, vast numbers of Catholic laity, probably the majority in the West at least, ignore this prohibition, often with the silent acquiescence of their clergy.
Several cardinals have also said in recent years that using condoms is a lesser evil if the alternative is infection HIV.
In Aids-ravaged Africa, the Church has steadfastly maintained its traditional line that chastity and abstinence are the best way to prevent Aids.
But this approach distresses workers on the ground, who regularly see wives who stick by the Catholic teachings of fidelity in marriage infected by their promiscuous husbands. The women and men then die, leaving young children and babies as orphans.
The Church does however run many hospitals and other institutions to help Aids victims. If the ban is not relaxed in the new document, as remains possible, it will be because the Pope still fears that using condoms to fight Aids will merely foster further the immoral and hedonistic lifestyles that contribute to its spread.
hi, wushuren, you may be able to use condoms.
In March this year, the Associated Press reported that a Catholic bishop working to combat Aids in Papua New Guinea, where 1.7 of the population or 47,000 people are infected with HIV or have Aids, had questioned the condom ban.
Bishop Gilles Cote, a French Canadian, said that he was in favour of governments providing condoms to communities where extramarital sex and multiple partners were common.
The bishop said this argument was not in conflict with the church as Christian teaching followed the commandment: "Thou shalt not kill."
The Mexican-born Cardinal Barragan told La Repubblica: "This is a very difficult and delicate subject that requires prudence. My department is studying this closely with scientists and theologians expressly assigned to draft a document that will be issued soon."
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我想您不能用对付国民党的办法对付美国兵，美国人也不能用对付日本人的办法对付中国人。我不是原教旨主义者，您用对付原教旨主义者的办法来对付我的解释，好像也没有打对路的，哈哈，开个玩笑先。
我可以有我不同的解释。要知道，那时候的人们，还在使用石器，造出来的塔可以通天？有没有搞错？要知道现代我们也在造通天的塔，虽然和科幻小说里面的相比是比较原始的。可确实能打到天上去。我当然可以把他解释成不是突然的。变乱语言，也一样，也可以不是突然的。您该不会是原教旨主义者伪装成的无神论者来陪我和稀泥的巴，哈。这里面有个时间尺度可能不一样的。说书的一张嘴，1千里地转眼就可以到，再长的时间也就是上下嘴皮子一碰，如果没有必要难道要把中途到哪里睡觉喝水，拉X和撒X，每分每秒都要描绘出来？
圣经里面明明在说，已经有了一大群人，不是几个人。但是他们不迁徙，却去造什么通天塔。
sorry, too early.
roaring mouse
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那时候的人们，还在使用石器，造出来的塔可以通天？有没有搞错？
Read your bible carefully. You should at least read it better than me.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to the narrative in Genesis Chapter 11 of the Bible, the Tower of Babel was a tower built by a united humanity to reach the heavens. Because man had it in his heart to be like God, God stopped this project by confusing their languages so that each spoke a different language. As a result, they could no longer communicate with one another and the work stopped. The builders were then scattered to different parts of Earth. This story is used to explain the existence of many different languages and races.
roaring mouse
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by your bible, god made adam and eve and then homo sapiens intra-breed and inter-breed.
r u agaisnt the use of condoms, wushuren?
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最初由 yokel 发布
"Government, for evil or for good, is chosen by its people who have the power to change the way government behaves or change the government itself."
"The American people chose to get rid of British government because of intoerable oppression by the British government."
It's just to show how ignorant you are. The American British War around 1777 was totally different from the situation in China today. Here are some of the differences:
- There were very few British army in the colonies unlike the army, armed police, police, secrete police etc all over the places in China.
- No media control from British government
- No systematic governmental control on society from the top to the smallest unit in villages
- No nation-wide British police control
- No firearm control
- No control on forming armies and militia, and parties
- Big culture difference
The list can go on and on. Does any of the factors apply to China? If China had only one difference such as having a freedom of press, then you will see difference.
"Did you stand up and fight like the courageous young man who stood in front of the column of tanks in Beijing in 1989?"
There ARE many ways to improve the democracy in China. Protesting in Tian An Meng Square in 89 may not be the most efficient way to do that. It is definitely not the only way to do it. Have you heard Gandhi's Peace (or None-Violance) Movement which dethroned the British government in India? That's just to show there are many other ways to do it. Improving democracy is like everything in life that is doing the right thing at the right time. I guess this approach or mentality is against your "black or white" way of thinking.
It's hard to believe for someone approaching 40 and still having this type of mentality. Or he is deliberately trying to confuse/mislead people. Or these are things he just dare not to say in order to protect what he's got even if he knew it is an absolute truth...
I am not saying that citizens have no responsibilities to participate in improving democracy, but purposely exagerating the role of forceful or violant actions by citizens at a particular point in history is misleading and dangerous to the cause of democracy in China.
"The black chose to end racial segregation in the US by forcing the government to mend its ways."
Ignorant again. The US black movement in the 60s could ONLY exist or happen in a democratic society. In today's China there's abolutely no freedom of association. You could not even form a union in a factory, let alone a city-wide, province-wide, or nation-wide union in any trade, let more alone a nation-wide organization with cross-board social agendas such as the black movement/organization led by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr..
"do you have the courage to admit your guilt, even before your god?"
Now you are both pretending a judge passing a verdict that I already have a guilt, and acting like a religious fanatic pushing a God on me. I have already told you that I do not consider myself Christian, and how many times I need to tell you again? Also, I do not have guilt for what happened in 98 in Beijing, although I do have sympathy for those young lives lost and I do have condolence for their families. Take is easy, you're getting a bit too desperate...
""Religion is like sex" is a statement made by many others."
- First of all, I am not sure how "many others" have made that statement, or have that kind of belief, or even have that kind of thought. Maybe you heard it a lot from people around you, but definitely not that often down here. You can ask people in the forum how often they hear that.
- Second, I haven't seen any authoritative religious books such as the Bible and Koran etc. preaching this kind of doctrines, or even implying this kind of idea/thought.
- Third, it seems to show that your judgement of truth is very much depending on the number of people who say so or you claim they say so. Most mature people with certain amount of intelligence would rather judge by facts or merits.
- Fourth, religious or spiritual experiences brings you the realm and depth that are much more than what sex may bring you. For example, it may give you the spiritual enlightenment or height/level of spiritual purification that sex could not reach. If that were the case, sex would have long replaced all kinds of meditations and abstinence.
There are many things you do in life can give you the feelings you mentioned, but that doesn't mean doing all those things are necessarily religious experiences or religious practice. For example, after long and excruciating wait, you finally had the chance to go to washroom to do your business. You then feel "gratifying" and "uplifting". You tell me how many people'll be running out of washroom shouting "Religion is like sh*ting!"? I won't be surprised to see you are the only one who is shouting that statement and keeps telling us "that is a statement made by many others." I would recommend you stop trying so hard to hide the ugliness of your statement and your shallow and distorted understanding of religions because everyone can see your statement is degrading, cynical, bitter and sacrilegious towards religions and people who believe in them.
By the way, what are the new exciting discoveries you have found after comparing China with the countries of your favorite category?...
Having seen all what you believe and what you have said in your last several comments, I still won't question your intelligence, because it is not only a game only kids enjoy playing and only for those so insecured about their intelligence, but also won't be necessary now...
yokel, the king of Nepal gave up his power. If you do not stand up against evil, you become evil. again government's faults are from it people. live and learn.
