为什么90%的华人买日本车?

[老华侨]

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红色的是大多数老中不大能接受的。黄色的是马马虎虎，蓝色的是过贵或者太奇特。剩下的几个可以选选。

“大多数老中”都持你的意见，所以，90%的极端比例出现了。

 

[老华侨]

老华侨are you working for US car dealers
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[FONT=宋体]Things are changing. [/FONT]The weights of US cars are getting lighter and lighter while the weights of Janapese Cars getting heavier and heavier!
if i am wrong, please correct me.

关于我是不是为美国汽车公司的代理商工作，这个问题最好留给CFC的读者。
可能会有一部分人有跟你一样的疑问，但如果不是“以一类人之心，度另一类人之腹” 的话，大家会就事论事的。

我的正文已经贴出三个多月了。这三个多月，对我自己来说，也是个学习的过程。尤其是在大家的讨论过程中，我也发现正文中有些不严密的地方。但核心思想是不变的。尤其是，你从我后续的跟贴和回答中，更能清晰地看出。
在我写这篇文章的时候，2008、尤其是2009年车款的有些统计性资料还没有完全出来。但现在已经跟出160多贴了，我不便再回去修改原文。因为那样的话，有些网友的有针对性的跟贴就显得找不到依据了。

你所说的趋势，我基本同意。我在正文和上面第167楼的帖子了都反复提到。美国车变得轻（尤其是近几年），这是向日本车学习的结果；至于，日本车是否变得重，我不能肯定。原文中的有些数据有的是多年平均情况，有的是各种尺寸车型的平均情况，这也是另一个不严密之处。你如果单拿特定的个例来争论，还是请你看主题较好。

在网上争论的过程中，有时自己也被带着不由自主地陷入到美、日车比较上去了。这反而偏离了自己原来的主题。为了回归，这里再次引用原文结尾处的一段话：---
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[FONT=宋体]本文的思路可以概括为：[/FONT]
[FONT=宋体]关于对比：[/FONT]
1. 承认日本车质量不错（也有质量问题多的车（如Mitsubishi），但在北美的销量很少）。
2. 传统上，日本车注重轻巧、和内装饰的精致；而美国车注重安全、宽敞、厚重、和个性化。
3. 对比一些美国车，尤其是2008和2009款的美国车，日本车并没有明显优势。不管是节油，还是质量。部分美国车的性能和质量, 甚至还要优于日本车。
关于购买：
1. 作为消费者，我们有权选择我们认为适合自己的商品。
2. 在没有选择（或者选择余地不大）的情况下（例如，买数字照相机等光学器材），都买日本产品，也无可非议。
3. 我们不要求人们抵制日货，但在有选择的情况下，是不是可以不选择日本商品？
4. 还要选择日本产品也可以，但是不是可以保持在北美的平均水平？
5. 如果90%的华人都非买日本车不可，这， 这，… … “老华侨”哽咽不语了！
我们与日本人有血海深仇啊，同胞们！
不是我们要记仇，而是日本人不思悔改。而且，日本仍然是中国的最大威胁！

去过敦煌莫高窟的人，无不喜爱那里的壁画。“老华侨”对那里的感受是：雄伟、浑厚、宏大、庄严、开放、和震撼！人物形象个性炯异，艺术手法变化万千！尤其以北魏、和唐代的壁画最为大气。
身临其境，“老华侨”深深为作为一个中国人而自豪！
然而，清代的壁画风格有了明显改变。尽管也很好，但其主要注重精巧和色彩艳丽。
这让人想到清代以后的中国人的思想和艺术。
同胞们，中华民族是产生乐山大佛的国度，是产生大足石刻的国度，是产生龙门石窟的国度，是产生长城的国度，是产生京杭大运河的国度，… …!
然而，清朝以后，这种开放和大气就逐渐荡然无存了！清庭里流行什么？流行小巧玲珑的鼻烟壶！
我们变成了崇尚小巧的“鼻烟壶文化”的国度了!
仰天长叹啊！

 

[mooncake]

“大多数老中”都持你的意见，所以，90%的极端比例出现了。

你去你们美国人开的msn.com上看看你推荐的烂车你们美国人怎么评价的
2009 Chevrolet Aveo Reviews - MSN Autos

 

[ccc]

“大多数老中”都持你的意见，所以，90%的极端比例出现了。

Those 90% of people are equally smart if not smarter. There must be a good reason for this.

 

[Teddy]

There were two fatal car accidents happened yesterday morning! The first one involves a BMW car; the another involves a Toyota car. Check the scene pics and reports:

1. Crash closes Merivale between Baseline and Kirkwood
2. Death revives King Edward traffic debate

From the pics, it looks like the BMW was damaged much more than the Toyota, but the drivers' situation is just opposite: the BMW's driver had minor back injury; the Toyota's driver was unfortunately - dead.

Just can't believe it what happened to that Toyota car!!! The driver side of the car was intact at all.

 

[ccc]

There were two fatal car accidents happened yesterday morning! The first one involves a BMW car; the another involves a Toyota car. Check the scene pics and reports:

1. Crash closes Merivale between Baseline and Kirkwood
2. Death revives King Edward traffic debate

From the pics, it looks like the BMW was damaged much more than the Toyota, but the drivers' situation is just opposite: the BMW's driver had minor back injury; the Toyota's driver was unfortunately - dead.

Just can't believe it what happened to that Toyota car!!! The driver side of the car was intact at all.

The first accident involved a BMW car and a scooter; while the second one involved a Toyota car and a dump truck.

No surprise at all that the driver in the BMW was Okay. She/he could be Okay in any car when in an collision with a scooter.

Imagine the impact from a dump truck. What kind of vehicles could be strong enough or safe enough when in a collision with a dump truck.

By the way, the dump truck hit the passenger side of the Toyota, that was the reason why "The driver side of the car was intact at all".

 

[hcloud]

There were two fatal car accidents happened yesterday morning! The first one involves a BMW car; the another involves a Toyota car. Check the scene pics and reports:

1. Crash closes Merivale between Baseline and Kirkwood
2. Death revives King Edward traffic debate

From the pics, it looks like the BMW was damaged much more than the Toyota, but the drivers' situation is just opposite: the BMW's driver had minor back injury; the Toyota's driver was unfortunately - dead.

Just can't believe it what happened to that Toyota car!!! The driver side of the car was intact at all.

A Mack truck directly (possibly at higher speed) hitting the side of a car is completely different from hitting a pillar or whatever that was.

 

[Teddy]

I agree.

However, if you check the 1st accident's picture, it looks like the BMW hit a light post badly afterward even having its main frame bended greatly...

For the Toyota case, how was the huge impact passed to the driver from the passenger side? Just shocked!!!

The first accident involved a BMW car and a scooter; while the second one involved a Toyota car and a dump truck.

No surprise at all that the driver in the BMW was Okay. She/he could be Okay in any car when in an collision with a scooter.

Imagine the impact from a dump truck. What kind of vehicles could be strong enough or safe enough when in a collision with a dump truck.

By the way, the dump truck hit the passenger side of the Toyota, that was the reason why "The driver side of the car was intact at all".

 

[ccc]

I agree.

However, if you check the 1st accident's picture, it looks like the BMW hit a light post badly afterward even having its main frame bended greatly...

For the Toyota case, how was the huge impact passed to the driver from the passenger side? Just shocked!!!

Yeah. Guess the driver of the BMW was trying to avoid something and then hit the pole, etc. It was still different than being hit by a vehicle like a dump truck.

 

[hcloud]

The big 3 have average hourly at $70/h (Cut to $63 ish with the recent vote) while the Japanese makers range around $45.

For god's sake, American carmakers need to trim down their fat.

 

[kitaro]

我不是90％中的一员。

 

[mooncake]

There were two fatal car accidents happened yesterday morning! The first one involves a BMW car; the another involves a Toyota car. Check the scene pics and reports:

1. Crash closes Merivale between Baseline and Kirkwood
2. Death revives King Edward traffic debate

From the pics, it looks like the BMW was damaged much more than the Toyota, but the drivers' situation is just opposite: the BMW's driver had minor back injury; the Toyota's driver was unfortunately - dead.

Just can't believe it what happened to that Toyota car!!! The driver side of the car was intact at all.

BMW is NOT an American car!

 

[Teddy]

Did I say BMW is an American car somewhere?

BMW is NOT an American car!

 

[ccc]

I agree.

However, if you check the 1st accident's picture, it looks like the BMW hit a light post badly afterward even having its main frame bended greatly...

For the Toyota case, how was the huge impact passed to the driver from the passenger side? Just shocked!!!

我一个老外同事，就是死于类似与卡车撞丰田的车祸。他的车也是被一卡车撞到乘客一侧。事故发生，由于巨大的冲撞力，他的身体、头先倒向右侧，然后再向左侧摇摆，头撞到左侧的门上。他头骨粉碎，脖颈被扭断。问题是冲击力太大了。这类车祸，安全带没有作用，小汽车内的人能幸存的可能性很小，无论什么轿车，除非有两侧的气囊。

车头撞击的话，安全带和气囊都会起作用。所以，有时候看到车头撞烂了，人还幸存下来。

From another post:

http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum4/thread671190.html

我的经验是用正面去撞。因为正面有个车头可以起到缓冲和的作用，而侧面就隔一层铁皮。另外，正面去撞有安全带、气囊、椅背的保护，侧面去撞你的头肯定撞到侧面的车身上，安全带只使你前后不移动不能让你左右不移动。
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And this makes sense too:

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在市区，由于有半数以上的交通事故都是发生在路口。而路口的事故大都是侧撞。...。
由于侧撞没有缓冲。所以，安全性就集中体现在侧面受撞击的部位的刚性、完整性上。
...。聪明的日本人很快将“吸能”设计（Impact-absorbing）应用到侧面设计上。但侧面的“吸能”与正前面的“吸能”是两个不同的概念： 正前面吸能是指，对碰撞的缓冲能力； 而侧面的吸能是指，对碰撞能量的分解、与传递。
侧撞吸能的理想模式是：当来自正侧面的撞击撞到门框时，撞击力会传递到座位、和前后门中间的立柱；然后，撞击力进一步传递和分解到车的其它部件。...。

然而，实际的车祸千变万化。如果侧撞没有正好撞到门框，没有以90度方向撞击车体中间，尤其是没有正好撞击到最坚固的前、后门中间的立柱，那么这个“吸能”就无法实现了。这个时候，就考验车门的整体刚度、和车体的完整性了。否则，“吸能”就只好靠人体来完成了
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[Teddy]

en, this makes a lot sense...

我一个老外同事，就是死于类似与卡车撞丰田的车祸。他的车也是被一卡车撞到乘客一侧。事故发生，由于巨大的冲撞力，他的身体、头先倒向右侧，然后再左摇，头撞到左侧的门上。他头骨粉碎，脖颈被扭断。问题是冲击力太大了。这类车祸，小汽车内的人能幸存的可能性很小，无论什么轿车。