提醒丰田车主注意

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2）当一辆是camry, 另一辆是ford taurus以50公里/小时对撞时（两车相对速度依然是100公里/小时），由于taurus比camry重近30%，所以，两辆车组成的系统的质心会向camry一方偏移。这时候，对camry来说，就相当于在试验场以65公里/小时的速度撞墙，而taurus以35公里/小时速度撞墙。这种情况下，camry中的人死亡，而taurus中的人没事。

why compare these two cars, one is a middle size car, the other (recent models) a LARGE size CAR

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx see the categorys they are

 

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习惯了就都差不多。​

反正是不管日本车多好，多省油，多安全，多便宜，多合算，多。。。，我就是不买它！NXP!

什么叫NB，什么是骨气，这才是！

 

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安全是最重要的。你知道渥太华华人两起车祸都导致死亡的， 开的是什么车么？

日本车，3.5L排量的，在限速50公里以下的公路开，用做在住家附近商店买菜用车是可以的。但上80公里以上的路开，就要特别小心。

渥太华华人车祸导致死亡， 所开的车都是日本车， 不是因为日本车安全性差而是华人开日本车居多。

我的意思是， 即使给出了数据， 很多人也不承认日本车的安全系数并没有传说中那么差。 可能不如某些欧洲车那么强悍，但是说欧洲车死亡率高的说法也并不是没有。

可观点来看，差别不大吧。

 

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日本车，3.5L排量的，在限速50公里以下的公路开，用做在住家附近商店买菜用车是可以的。但上80公里以上的路开，就要特别小心。

这个说法比较新颖, 也凸显华人的经济实力。

 

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Toyota to fix 'very dangerous' gas pedal defects
The recall, which covers 4.26 million cars and trucks, is aimed at reducing the vehicles' risk of sudden accelerations, which have led to 19 deaths since the 2002 model year.

By Ken Bensinger and Ralph Vartabedian
November 26, 2009

Moving to correct what federal regulators have termed a "very dangerous problem," Toyota Motor Corp. said it would modify and replace gas pedals on 4.26 million cars and trucks to reduce the vehicles' risk of accelerating out of control.

Toyota said the measures were designed to prevent floor mats from jamming the accelerator pedal open. As an additional precaution, the Japanese automaker said most of its cars would be modified so that the brake overrides the accelerator if both pedals are pressed at the same time.

The action follows widespread reports of runaway Toyota and Lexus vehicles, including an Aug. 28 crash near San Diego that killed a California Highway Patrol officer and three family members. Sudden acceleration incidents involving Toyota-made cars and trucks have claimed 19 lives since the 2002 model year, The Times has reported, which federal officials say is more than all other manufacturers combined.

"We are very, very confident that we have addressed this issue," Toyota spokesman Irv Miller told reporters in detailing the recall plans Wednesday.

Toyota declined to estimate the cost of the recall, the biggest in its history. But industry experts said it could easily top $250 million, citing the time and labor that will be needed to service more than 4 million vehicles.

Auto industry experts, while crediting Toyota for initiating the recall, questioned why the automaker had taken so long to act.

A review of consumer complaints to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration shows at least 1,000 incidents of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles in the last eight years, along with scores of accidents and injuries as well as untold property damage.

"They knew something was wrong way before that San Diego accident happened," said Rebecca Lindland, an auto industry analyst for consulting firm IHS Global Insight. "That was just the catalyst to get them to finally do something."

The recall was first announced in September, before Toyota had determined a solution to the problem. At the time, the automaker told drivers of seven models of Lexus and Toyota vehicles to temporarily remove their floor mats.

Toyota now says that it will begin notifying customers in December to bring their cars into dealerships starting in January. It will offer to reconfigure pedals on seven models of Toyota and Lexus vehicles and replace all-weather rubber floor mats and add new software to implement the brake override, at no charge to owners.

Eventually, the automaker will offer to completely replace the pedals in affected models and make the safety software a standard feature in all new vehicles. The replacement pedals have not yet been designed or manufactured.

Until recently, Toyota has maintained that its vehicles had no underlying defect and that runaway accelerations were caused by incorrectly installed floor mats wedging the accelerator pedal into a wide-open position.

The automaker's insistence that the vehicles had no defect drew a sharp rebuke this month from NHTSA, which said Toyota made "inaccurate and misleading" statements about the nature of the problem.


Instead, NHTSA said, the vehicles appeared to have flawed pedal and interior designs that could make "pedal entrapment" more likely.

By calling for pedal, floor mat, computer and other modifications, Toyota's plan appears to affirm that notion. In a statement Wednesday, NHTSA called the plan a "remedy."

Toyota presented its final plan for the recall to NHTSA officials Tuesday, Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said. With the go-ahead from NHTSA, he said, Toyota will now prepare informational packets for consumers and repair procedures for dealers.

Lyons said that because the all-weather floor mats used in North America are not used in other parts of the world, the recall would not expand beyond the U.S. and Canada.

"It's not being investigated in other markets," he said.

Toyota said the recall affects about 3.86 million vehicles in the U.S. and 400,000 in Canada. To reduce the risk of the mat snagging the gas pedal, technicians will cut off about three-quarters of an inch from the bottom of the pedal.

On Toyota Camry and Avalon and Lexus ES models, they also will replace thick foam padding under the carpeting with thinner pads to allow more clearance between the pedal and floor.

Perhaps the most important change will be the modification of software in the vehicles' engine control system that will override the throttle any time the brake is applied. The remedy will be made initially in the Camry, Avalon, Lexus ES and Lexus IS sedans but eventually in all models.

That software, often called a smart pedal, is in use by many other manufacturers as a protection against unintended acceleration but has never been used in Toyota vehicles.

Independent safety experts said that, despite the extraordinary size and cost of the recall, it may not be enough to address the problem. Many of these experts believe there may be a malfunction in the electronic engine control systems, a contention Toyota repeatedly disputed.

"I suspect the real problem is that there is something wrong with the electronics in the engine," said Joan Claybrook, a former NHTSA chief and a consumer activist.

Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the consumer group the Center for Auto Safety, believes that the acceleration problems extend beyond the vehicles that Toyota recalled and that the brake override system should be applied to all Toyotas.

"There have been six defect petitions and investigations into floor mats on vehicles not covered by this recall," said Ditlow, who estimated Toyota's cost for this recall at more than $250 million.

Bulent Ezal's wife was killed when his 2005 Camry accelerated and plunged off a cliff in Pismo Beach, Calif. But that vehicle was not included in the recall, which affects only 2007 and later Camrys.

"The recall does nothing for my client," said attorney Raymond Paul Johnson, who has filed a product liability suit against Toyota on behalf of Ezal. His case is one of at least 10 lawsuits against Toyota for unintended acceleration, including two filed this month requesting class-action status.

Several Toyota owners who have experienced sudden acceleration were skeptical that the automaker's recall plans will be effective.

Laura Paulson of San Diego said she was unable to stop her surging 2008 Tacoma pickup from accelerating through the back wall of her garage, destroying a bathroom on the other side. Both her dealer and Toyota's national sales division told her the vehicle had no defects, and news that the automaker would now alter the vehicle's pedal did not impress Paulson. "I don't think this is going to solve the problem," she said. "The theory that floor mats cause this just does not add up."

Mary Ann Hoffman of Medford, Ore., won't be taking part in the recall. After three frightening incidents of unintended acceleration, including one with her 15-year-old daughter behind the wheel, she took her 2007 Prius to the dealership.

Last week mechanics and a Toyota field representative told her that they believed the problem lay in the pedal, which was replaced. But Hoffman, who thinks there could be some deeper electronic or mechanical problem with the car, had lost faith in the vehicle and Toyota altogether.

"I think this recall is window dressing," Hoffman said. "I don't think the problem is the pedal or the floor mat or any of that."

On Monday, she traded in her Prius for a 2008 BMW 5-series.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-recall26-2009nov26,0,3295310.story

 

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死鸭子嘴硬的Toyota终于被迫勉强面对现实，但其欺瞒行为仍然在继续， 9月份的召回，以及即将开始的2010年一月的大范围召回仍然只是做秀（window dressing-橱窗时装秀），而不是认真解决致命安全隐患。更换新设计的刹车踏板（现在还没影儿），更新汽车计算机控制软件，换 floor mats可能仍然解决不了问题。实质问题，可能还是我前面指出的: 是丰田的系统/可靠性/安全性设计出了大问题.

http://bbs.comefromchina.com/5924958-post125.html

 

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丰田公司会不会因此而完结？

 

[牛爸2009]

丰田公司会不会因此而完结？

可别。。好多我喜欢的车型。

 

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希望如此！但不会的，有这么多中国人帮着它，怎么会呢？

美国那三大家，会不会有的会完结？

 

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可别。。好多我喜欢的车型。

也有我喜欢的，就是买不起。:blowzy:　也就不担心返修问题了。

 

[牛爸2009]

也有我喜欢的，就是买不起。:blowzy:　也就不担心返修问题了。

买不起就攒攒钱。 recall太正常了。最近vw也在recall，还是coil的问题，那返修成本更高。

 

[牛爸2009]

美国那三大家，会不会有的会完结？

我倒是觉得从实惠考虑，应该赶快买美国车，因为他都是亏本卖，三大都是拿纳税人的钱填肚子的。。。。推荐凯迪的SRX和林肯MKZ

但我是肯定不会买的。

 

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买不起就攒攒钱。 recall太正常了。最近vw也在recall，还是coil的问题，那返修成本更高。

等钱包鼓起来了，再琢磨买什么车。到时候，说不定买辆ＧＭＣ（General Motors China)的车呢。　买辆ＧＭＣ（General Motors China)的车才应该有本钱ＮＢ，到时候我就开个帖，骂人！

 

[牛爸2009]

等钱包鼓起来了，再琢磨买什么车。到时候，说不定买辆ＧＭＣ（General Motors China)的车呢。

中国的汽车制造业肯定就只能以这种借壳的方式进北美了。。。一个个兴致勃勃的在国产化日本车呢，哈哈哈哈哈...

我喜欢的High Lander竟然也国产了。Rav4也国产了。。。

看来国内的汽车产业决策层比我更喜欢日本车嘛。