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中国真的很特殊。从地理上就是跟外界隔离，成为自成一体的文化。
可能有些基督徒还暗暗希望中国被基督徒殖民吧？产生这种想法的时候，不要忘了你是被殖民者，不是殖民者。
基督徒到美洲，美洲是和平了。但是，印第安人高兴吗？如果当年基督徒发现的不是新大陆，而是中国，那基督徒奴役的就不是美洲土著，而是中国人了。
中国人沦落到象印第安人一样的下场，中国基督徒们高兴了？
好笑的基督教
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可能有些基督徒还暗暗希望中国被基督徒殖民吧？产生这种想法的时候，不要忘了你是被殖民者，不是殖民者。
基督徒到美洲，美洲是和平了。但是，印第安人高兴吗？如果当年基督徒发现的不是新大陆，而是中国，那基督徒奴役的就不是美洲土著，而是中国人了。
中国人沦落到象印第安人一样的下场，中国基督徒们高兴了？
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我这里的问题，也请牧师回答。牧师已经欠我很多问题了。比如说牧师心中的敌人是谁。牧师回来了。
我也想看看你说的CFC上有关善恶的很精彩的讨论，以免做一些重复的讨论，没有意思。可惜没有找到。
我对伊斯兰教并不了解，所以不敢妄评。我从小就有回族朋友，现在也有，他们跟你我没有两样，有一颗普通的善良的心。我大约知道的是，伊斯兰教的逊尼派是温和的。新疆是不是什叶派，所以这么激进，没有研究过。
你有没有看过《穆斯林的葬礼》，你如何评论里面的人物？他们的宗教，是与生俱来的，按你们基督教的定义，他们全都要因为自己的宗教信仰而下地狱，你就不动哪怕一点点凡心？
我喜欢武侠小说，我这种闲散分子一般都喜欢。武侠小说里推崇法外英雄，是中国的文化的很大的一个诟病，中国人缺乏法制观念，也是现在大家都在反省的问题。（这个是余秋雨说的，我自己没有醒悟到这么多。)
西欧人从12xx年捡回罗马法，到18xx的启蒙运动，达到全民对自由，民主的觉醒，经历了600年。用宪法来保障全民的自由，民主，这个我认为是大善。
顺便提及，路易斯安那州允许用“辅助教材”来教进化论的法案，在美国的最高法庭是判为违宪的，我一直认为美国非常令人钦佩的一点就是宪法的神圣不可侵犯，看样子我错了。
题目太多容易走岔，我们还是先弄清出善恶问题之后再谈别的吧。
善恶问题牵扯到人类是否有(原)罪，这是基督教信仰的核心问题之一。事实上, 被造者人的犯罪与和造物主神的救赎正是圣经最重要的主题。 解决了这个问题，正义、宽恕、宽容、和平、博爱、平等、自由、苦难、希望、死亡、永生 ...... 还有其它一些相关的问题就容易解决的多了，甚至可能就迎刃而解了 － 至少对于我而言确实如此。
这个问题记述在圣经的第一本书创世纪的第三节，紧接在上帝对宇宙万物包括人类的创造之后，不是没有原因的。
咋回事呢？刚刚接触到基督教信仰的一个基本问题 cat 就不再出现了？关于谁是我心目中的敌人的问题，我以前胡诌过几篇博文，贴出来供参考：
基督徒没有敌人
爱仇敌，是否要爱反对基督的人？
听凭主怒
神恨罪，但神爱罪人
哈哈，基督徒没有敌人？你把希特勒这位基督徒往哪里摆？喔，还有墨索里尼。
基督徒杀死基督徒，那么他们是不是敌人？还有问问，你是不是真正的基督徒？谁来认定你是基督徒？好问题！
老兄信仰坚定、想必心中已有定论。我想听听你的答案先。
Muhammad Vs Jesus
Muhammad: Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus: Said God loves everyone. (John 3:16)
Muhammad: "I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus: "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)
Muhammad: Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus:"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)
Muhammad: Permitted stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus: "Thou shalt not steal."(Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad: Permitted lying. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus: "Thou shalt not bear false witness." (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad: Owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus: Neither owned nor traded slaves.
Muhammad: Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus: Beheaded no one.
Muhammad: Murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus: Preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad: "If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him" (Qur'an 2:194)
Jesus: "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)
Muhammad: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad: Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50) Was celibate.Slept with a 9-year-old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus: Did not have sex with children.
Muhammad: Ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus: Never harmed a woman.
Muhammad: "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (Qur'an 9:123)
Jesus: "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)
Muhammad: Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq )
Jesus: Ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.
Muhammad: Killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus: Never took captives. Never killed anyone.
Muhammad: Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)
Jesus: Never encouraged rape. Never enslaved women.
Muhammad: Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war. (Qur'an 8:41)
Jesus: "The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)
Muhammad: Was never tortured, but tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus: Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone."And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"(Qur'an 8:39)
Jesus: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad: Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus: Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)
Muhammad: Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam.(Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus: Washed his disciples feet. (John 13:5)
Muhammad: What are the Greatest Commandments? "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause" (Muslim 1:149)
Jesus: What are the Greatest Commandments? "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself." (Matthew 22:34-40)
Muhammad: Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship (Qur'an 4:102)
Jesus: Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force. (John 18:10-12)
Muhammad: Died fat and wealthy from what was taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.
Jesus: Demanded nothing for himself. Died without possessions.
Muhammad: Advocated crucifying others. (Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
Jesus: Was crucified himself.
Muhammad: According to his followers: Had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413)
Jesus: According to his followers: Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
Muhammad: Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
Jesus: Said God loves everyone. (John 3:16)
Muhammad: "I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus: "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)
Muhammad: Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)
Jesus:"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)
Muhammad: Permitted stealing from unbelievers. (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus: "Thou shalt not steal."(Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad: Permitted lying. (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus: "Thou shalt not bear false witness." (Matthew 19:18)
Muhammad: Owned and traded slaves. (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus: Neither owned nor traded slaves.
Muhammad: Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys. (Sahih Muslim 4390)
Jesus: Beheaded no one.
Muhammad: Murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus: Preached forgiveness. (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
Muhammad: "If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him" (Qur'an 2:194)
Jesus: "If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)
Muhammad: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645)
Jesus: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
Muhammad: Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50) Was celibate.Slept with a 9-year-old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus: Did not have sex with children.
Muhammad: Ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus: Never harmed a woman.
Muhammad: "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (Qur'an 9:123)
Jesus: "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." (Matthew 5:5)
Muhammad: Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq )
Jesus: Ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.
Muhammad: Killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus: Never took captives. Never killed anyone.
Muhammad: Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. (Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)
Jesus: Never encouraged rape. Never enslaved women.
Muhammad: Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war. (Qur'an 8:41)
Jesus: "The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)
Muhammad: Was never tortured, but tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus: Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone."And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"(Qur'an 8:39)
Jesus: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:44)
Muhammad: Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
Jesus: Healed a blind man (Mark 8:28)
Muhammad: Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam.(Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus: Washed his disciples feet. (John 13:5)
Muhammad: What are the Greatest Commandments? "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause" (Muslim 1:149)
Jesus: What are the Greatest Commandments? "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself." (Matthew 22:34-40)
Muhammad: Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship (Qur'an 4:102)
Jesus: Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force. (John 18:10-12)
Muhammad: Died fat and wealthy from what was taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.
Jesus: Demanded nothing for himself. Died without possessions.
Muhammad: Advocated crucifying others. (Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
Jesus: Was crucified himself.
Muhammad: According to his followers: Had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413)
Jesus: According to his followers: Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
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答案：上面没有一个人认为这种行为是善。
Abu Sakkar本人都说了，他并不想这样做，他是为了自身利益。
可以想一想，在叙利亚文化里，这个人最终会不会被封为英雄？世界上有那个文化弘扬这样的行为？
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不好意思，牧师。
一个去年祈祷的一件大事现在实现了，最近非常忙，心情有点high。
一个是这个贴帮助我摆脱了心理的一个很大的纠结，讨论的动力没有了。
所以回帖会变得很慢，怠慢了。
那一定是一件大喜事。恭喜恭喜。愿神祝福你！
猫啊，我们在这里谈的＂善恶＂，正是一个人在面临生死抉择时的行为准则而不是夸夸其谈时弘扬的＂八荣八耻＂！
再说，你怎么知道这位老兄在他的同志喽啰眼里不是大豪杰大英雄？否则，他以及他们为什么要拍摄录像在网上广为传播？如果不是西方人多事，你肯定他会有那一番假惺惺？你一定也看过另一位把政府军飞行员的头颅BBQ的新闻照片吧？那位年轻小伙子的脸上，可有半点儿勉强？
好吧，我们说点熟悉的。你一定读过岳飞的满江红？请问读后感如何？
明朝传奇名将袁崇焕被皇帝以卖国罪处死时，被爱国的市民生吃其肉。当然后来他被＂平反＂。然而，后世所深恶痛绝的是他的被冤枉所直接导致的清军的胜利。中国历史上无数的文人骚客、道德先锋,有几位曾经对吃人一事反省？
