this guy does make a point

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圣经是完美的整体，并没有所谓的dark pages。 但是的确有许多讲述人的 dark side 以及上帝怎样 deal with it 的 pages。

you just proved my point turning a blind eye on the mostly dark sided book.

 

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朋友，没有人敢增添圣经里的一笔一画，也没有人敢减少其中的一笔一画。

圣经是God spell (gospel) 的，忠实地记录了神的创造、人的犯罪、主耶稣的救赎，和最后的审判。

I know, all christains say that just as all other monotheisms do. faith requires no critical thinking, blindly obeying is the key for any religion to survive.

 

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是啊，真是太可惜了，在教会很多年，还是没能认识 神。

很多在教会长大的孩子，也会有这种情况。教会不是乐土；决不能认为孩子去教会就等同于认识 神。

求 神帮助我们，不要失去我们的孩子！

It's okay. I have never felt so happy breaking away from Christianity and all its lies.

 

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朋友，现在说什么你都听不进去。不过，神既然动工，就不会有“烂尾工程”。^-^ 日后我们会再见的。

god doesn't exist, maybe someday when you start thinking about it yourself, you 'd understand too.

 

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you just proved my point turning a blind eye on the mostly dark sided book.

很有意思，我用了３２年时间在无神论的荒野里摸索，３２岁那年得到我的第一本圣经。我再用了１０年时间对圣经和上帝质疑发问。

我们真的应该好好谈谈－因为我们中间必有一个是迷失掉了。

 

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很有意思，我用了３２年时间在无神论的荒野里摸索，３２岁那年得到我的第一本圣经。我再用了１０年时间对圣经和上帝质疑发问。

我们真的应该好好谈谈－因为我们中间必有一个是迷失掉了。

there are times I think the problems of belief might not come from Bibles, Jesus, or Satan but rather from human gullibility. Ask yourself, if you felt a need, and the bible's lies filled that void, that could work towards the advantage of your gullibility.

 

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there are times I think the problems of belief might not come from Bibles, Jesus, or Satan but rather from human gullibility. Ask yourself, if you felt a need, and the bible's lies filled that void, that could work towards the advantage of your gullibility.

你怎么知道那个 void 的存在的？是不是常常被哪个 void 所困扰？

是的，在信主之前，我自己常常被哪个 void 所困扰, 但信主之后得到了满足－那是一个只有永恒的神才能充满的 void，是上帝在造人时为自己的灵留下的。

 

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这样说，你实在是太高看人类了！虽然人很聪明。

若不是 神的启示，有谁能知道 神的道呢~ 若不是看到了 神的道，又怎能前仆后继的不惜为主殉道呢~

人会为自己制造出的一个东西而死吗 ^-^

Human gullibility works great on religions. Millions of people have died under the name of various gods that allegedly produced revelations to various group of people.

 

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是啊，人是有灵的；只有在 神里面，人的灵才能得到真正的满足和安息。 ^-^

企图用有限的东西去填充哪个无限的空洞，正是没有找到真理前人生苦况的本质。那些有限的东西包括金钱，权位，名声，成就，...。

用有限的东东来填无限的空洞，其挣扎、苦闷、忧愁、失败、绝望、... 自然是如影随形，无处不在。

 

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你怎么知道那个 void 的存在的？是不是常常被哪个 void 所困扰？

是的，在信主之前，我自己常常被哪个 void 所困扰, 但信主之后得到了满足－那是一个只有永恒的神才能充满的 void，是上帝在造人时为自己的灵留下的。

so gullibility worked on you as it worked on millions of others believing all sorts of gods.

 

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so gullibility worked on you as it worked on millions of others believing all sorts of gods.

我在大陆喊了几十年口号，好不容易不远万里来到加拿大，你能不能不给我喊口号?

 

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我在大陆喊了几十年口号，好不容易不远万里来到加拿大，你能不能不给我喊口号。

well, I think I am doing a lot better than you people constantly quoting bible. I had been quoting bible and shouting gospels for more than 20 years too you know. Now finally, after more than 20 something years of praying trying talk to god, I realized that I AM the god because I realized I had been talking to myself the whole time. hehe

 

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well, I think I am doing a lot better than you people constantly quoting bible. I had been quoting bible and shouting gospels for more than 20 years too you know. Now finally, after more than 20 something years of praying trying talk to god, I realized that I AM the god because I realized I am talking to myself. hehe

我可以说你在回避问题吗？void!

好吧，你是God。是宇宙创造主。请问，宇宙是如何产生的？好吧，你是God。是人类创造主。请问，人类始祖是如何被造的？

不是宇宙人类创造主的＂神＂一定是假神。

 

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我可以说你在回避问题吗？void!

好吧，你是god。是宇宙创造主。请问，宇宙是如何产生的？好吧，你是God。是人类创造主。请问，人类始祖是如何被造的？

不是宇宙人类创造主的＂神＂一定是假神。

That was meant to be a joke hehe. Of course there is no god.
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That was meant to be a joke hehe. Of course there is no god.
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好，这就回到一个很基本的问题了。

请问，你认为我们所见的物资宇宙是自有永有的吗？