这案子，加拿大移民官员/记者理不清了；你怎么看？（更新：移民部长特批，男孩将先持TRV来加拿大，然后办PR）
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说句题外话，糊涂大叔您是太太太觉得加拿大好，中国印度啥的都不好，其他国家的人都可怜见的，加拿大人道就要体现在让所有愿意来的都来。。。
加拿大也是一个国家而已，做事情是有法律法规的。如果这个案子翻过来了，也许能改变一些法规，但是一定是要保证它是一个可以实行，可以平等的改变。
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我还是那个疑问，CBSA怎么知道他们有孩子的
我猜测这样的对话
CBSA：本来就是随便问一句，有没有accompanying child啊
FSW：没呢，我们孩子在印度没来
CBSA：啊，你们有孩子？ecas没有相关信息啊
CBSA：开始打字查询具体的资料了
一般CIC信上有
You must notify CIC of any changes to your application. Examples of changes include:
Changes in your personal circumstances, such as birth or adoption of a child, a marriage or a divorce.
其实这个时候就开始怀疑申请的真实性了
5个小时很可能大部分时间是在调查，不一定是questioning
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Bhavna Bajaj says she never vowed her son would stay in India
Couple fighting to bring son to Canada after what they describe as application error
CBC News Posted: Dec 29, 2014 8:44 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 30, 2014 6:17 PM ET
Indian family upset by CIC response
An Indian woman with permanent resident status in Canada, and who is trying to bring her three-year-old son here, admits she didn't disclose she had a child before her arrival in Ottawa, but disputes the assertion she had agreed to keep him in India.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada says Bhavna Bajaj repeatedly failed to disclose she had a son, Daksh, until she arrived in Canada in January 2013. (Courtesy of the Bhavna Bajaj-Aman Sood family)
Citizenship and Immigration Canada said Bhavna Bajaj repeatedly failed to disclose that she had a son, Daksh, before she came to Ottawa. The department said that after she arrived, she signed a document saying her son would continue to live with his grandparents in India.
Bajaj and her husband, Aman Sood, say they're fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their son over what they have described as an application error.
The couple applied for permanent residency in 2011 when Bajaj was pregnant, they told CBC News. An immigration consultant had told them to head to Canada and sponsor their son after they arrived, they said.
In an emailed statement sent to CBC News on Monday, Citizenship and Immigration Canada said there was no mention of the son in Bajaj's 2011 application, even though he was born before the department received it in August 2011.
Son's existence not revealed until 2013, CIC says
Bajaj also didn't mention the baby at a medical exam in March 2012, or any time before her application was accepted in April 2012, the department said.
"It was only when she arrived in Canada in January 2013, and was interviewed by an officer, that she revealed that she had a son," reads the statement from spokeswoman Mary Jago.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada also said Bajaj decided not to add the child to her application in January 2013, and that Bajaj "stated that the child would remain in India with his grandparents and signed a solemn declaration to support this statement."
The couple later applied to sponsor their son on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, and the department said it refused the application because "it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."
Decision to not declare son based on legal advice
In a statement released Monday night, the couple said the decision not to declare the three-year-old in their application was "an honest mistake."
"We relied on the legal advice of the immigration consultant who told us that we could sponsor him once we settle down in Canada. We had the plan to sponsor him as soon as we get a place to stay and start working. We thought it would take a couple of months before we could sponsor him," they wrote.
The family also disputed the federal department's interpretation of what was in the "solemn declaration" Bajaj signed.
"Ms. Bajaj never signed any declaration which stated that her child would remain in India with his grandparents. There is no word 'grandparents', 'India' in declaration that we signed. We challenge the CIC to prove what it has claimed. If needed we will reveal the declaration the copy of which we have in our possession," they wrote.
The two also disputed the government's claim that they never resided with the child.
"The CIC is actually enhancing our agony by making unsubstantiated allegations against us. It is also trying to justify its action with logic that is not defensible," they wrote.
The two said that, despite the dispute, they still held out hope that the immigration minister could intervene.
"We believe that good sense will prevail and we will receive relief from the immigration minister."
Couple fighting to bring son to Canada after what they describe as application error
CBC News Posted: Dec 29, 2014 8:44 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 30, 2014 6:17 PM ET
Indian family upset by CIC response
An Indian woman with permanent resident status in Canada, and who is trying to bring her three-year-old son here, admits she didn't disclose she had a child before her arrival in Ottawa, but disputes the assertion she had agreed to keep him in India.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada says Bhavna Bajaj repeatedly failed to disclose she had a son, Daksh, until she arrived in Canada in January 2013. (Courtesy of the Bhavna Bajaj-Aman Sood family)
Citizenship and Immigration Canada said Bhavna Bajaj repeatedly failed to disclose that she had a son, Daksh, before she came to Ottawa. The department said that after she arrived, she signed a document saying her son would continue to live with his grandparents in India.
Bajaj and her husband, Aman Sood, say they're fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their son over what they have described as an application error.
The couple applied for permanent residency in 2011 when Bajaj was pregnant, they told CBC News. An immigration consultant had told them to head to Canada and sponsor their son after they arrived, they said.
In an emailed statement sent to CBC News on Monday, Citizenship and Immigration Canada said there was no mention of the son in Bajaj's 2011 application, even though he was born before the department received it in August 2011.
Son's existence not revealed until 2013, CIC says
Bajaj also didn't mention the baby at a medical exam in March 2012, or any time before her application was accepted in April 2012, the department said.
"It was only when she arrived in Canada in January 2013, and was interviewed by an officer, that she revealed that she had a son," reads the statement from spokeswoman Mary Jago.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada also said Bajaj decided not to add the child to her application in January 2013, and that Bajaj "stated that the child would remain in India with his grandparents and signed a solemn declaration to support this statement."
The couple later applied to sponsor their son on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, and the department said it refused the application because "it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."
Decision to not declare son based on legal advice
In a statement released Monday night, the couple said the decision not to declare the three-year-old in their application was "an honest mistake."
"We relied on the legal advice of the immigration consultant who told us that we could sponsor him once we settle down in Canada. We had the plan to sponsor him as soon as we get a place to stay and start working. We thought it would take a couple of months before we could sponsor him," they wrote.
The family also disputed the federal department's interpretation of what was in the "solemn declaration" Bajaj signed.
"Ms. Bajaj never signed any declaration which stated that her child would remain in India with his grandparents. There is no word 'grandparents', 'India' in declaration that we signed. We challenge the CIC to prove what it has claimed. If needed we will reveal the declaration the copy of which we have in our possession," they wrote.
The two also disputed the government's claim that they never resided with the child.
"The CIC is actually enhancing our agony by making unsubstantiated allegations against us. It is also trying to justify its action with logic that is not defensible," they wrote.
The two said that, despite the dispute, they still held out hope that the immigration minister could intervene.
"We believe that good sense will prevail and we will receive relief from the immigration minister."
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Ottawa couple's son stranded in India after immigration application error
Bhavna Bajaj was pregnant in India during permanent residency application process in 2011
CBC News Posted: Dec 27, 2014 1:20 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 27, 2014 1:20 PM ET
Aman Sood, left, and Bhavna Bajaj say an error on their permanent residency application prevents their son Daksh from joining them in Canada. (Provided by the family)
A couple from India with permanent resident status is fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their three-year-old son over what they describe as an application error.
'There's a big void in my whole life ... I need my kid over here ... I just want his future to be with me.' -— Bhavna Bajaj
Bhavna Bajaj, who now lives in Ottawa, told CBC News she was pregnant when she and her husband Aman Sood applied for permanent residency in 2011.
By the time the Canadian government accepted their application last year, they had a new son, Daksh.
Bhavna Bajaj says she just wants her son, Daksh, to join his parents in Canada. (Courtesy of the Bhavna Bajaj-Aman Sood family)
The couple said their immigration consultant told them to head to Canada and sponsor their son after they arrived.
But Bajaj said once they landed, they were told they had broken the law by not revealing they had a son in India.
"We are crying every day, craving for our child," Sood said.
"There's a big void in my whole life. Like, what should I do without him?" Bajaj said. "I need my kid over here ... I just want his future to be with me."
'Unjust law,' lawyer says
Lawyer RezaurRahman told CBC News that attempts to reunite the family under humanitarian and compassionate grounds have been unsuccessful.
"The immigration officer said that if the child comes here, the Canadian culture, the language, the climate will be very upsetting to him. I don't understand how one can draw such a conclusion," he said.
Aman Sood says he cries every day for his son Daksh. (Provided by the family)
Rahman said that many immigrant families face similar problems in a system that allows immigration officers to use their powers arbitrarily.
"It's a bad law. It's an unjust law," he said.
Rahman said the Minister of Citizen and Immigration Chris Alexander has the power to allow Daksh to join his parents under humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
Now Bajaj and Sood are making a public plea to the minister in the hopes of making their family whole again.
CBC News contacted Alexander's office for comment on Boxing Day and has not yet received a response.
去看看评论吧，有一千多个：
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...after-immigration-application-error-1.2884581
Bhavna Bajaj was pregnant in India during permanent residency application process in 2011
CBC News Posted: Dec 27, 2014 1:20 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 27, 2014 1:20 PM ET
Aman Sood, left, and Bhavna Bajaj say an error on their permanent residency application prevents their son Daksh from joining them in Canada. (Provided by the family)
A couple from India with permanent resident status is fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their three-year-old son over what they describe as an application error.
'There's a big void in my whole life ... I need my kid over here ... I just want his future to be with me.' -— Bhavna Bajaj
Bhavna Bajaj, who now lives in Ottawa, told CBC News she was pregnant when she and her husband Aman Sood applied for permanent residency in 2011.
By the time the Canadian government accepted their application last year, they had a new son, Daksh.
Bhavna Bajaj says she just wants her son, Daksh, to join his parents in Canada. (Courtesy of the Bhavna Bajaj-Aman Sood family)
The couple said their immigration consultant told them to head to Canada and sponsor their son after they arrived.
But Bajaj said once they landed, they were told they had broken the law by not revealing they had a son in India.
"We are crying every day, craving for our child," Sood said.
"There's a big void in my whole life. Like, what should I do without him?" Bajaj said. "I need my kid over here ... I just want his future to be with me."
'Unjust law,' lawyer says
Lawyer RezaurRahman told CBC News that attempts to reunite the family under humanitarian and compassionate grounds have been unsuccessful.
"The immigration officer said that if the child comes here, the Canadian culture, the language, the climate will be very upsetting to him. I don't understand how one can draw such a conclusion," he said.
Aman Sood says he cries every day for his son Daksh. (Provided by the family)
Rahman said that many immigrant families face similar problems in a system that allows immigration officers to use their powers arbitrarily.
"It's a bad law. It's an unjust law," he said.
Rahman said the Minister of Citizen and Immigration Chris Alexander has the power to allow Daksh to join his parents under humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
Now Bajaj and Sood are making a public plea to the minister in the hopes of making their family whole again.
CBC News contacted Alexander's office for comment on Boxing Day and has not yet received a response.
去看看评论吧，有一千多个：
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...after-immigration-application-error-1.2884581
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Bajaj and her husband, Aman Sood, say they're fighting to change Canada's immigration laws after being separated from their son over what they have described as an application error.
The couple applied for permanent residency in 2011 when Bajaj was pregnant, they told CBC News. An immigration consultant had told them to head to Canada and sponsor their son after they arrived, they said.
In an emailed statement sent to CBC News on Monday, Citizenship and Immigration Canada said there was no mention of the son in Bajaj's 2011 application, even though he was born before the department received it in August 2011.
The couple later applied to sponsor their son on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, and the department said it refused the application because "it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."
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故事蛮清楚的，这个 immigration consultant 真是帮大忙了
CBSA一定有证据的
The couple applied for permanent residency in 2011 when Bajaj was pregnant, they told CBC News. An immigration consultant had told them to head to Canada and sponsor their son after they arrived, they said.
In an emailed statement sent to CBC News on Monday, Citizenship and Immigration Canada said there was no mention of the son in Bajaj's 2011 application, even though he was born before the department received it in August 2011.
The couple later applied to sponsor their son on humanitarian and compassionate grounds, and the department said it refused the application because "it appears that the child never resided with his parents and has continuously resided with his grandparents... [and is] living in an environment which was culturally and linguistically familiar to him, among people who had cared for him since birth."
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故事蛮清楚的，这个 immigration consultant 真是帮大忙了
CBSA一定有证据的
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Immigration law that split young family prevents child trafficking, government says
Ottawa couple makes public plea to ministry to allow young son to join them in Canada
CBC News Posted: Dec 28, 2014 12:42 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 28, 2014 12:42 PM ET
Aman Sood (left) and Bhavna Bajaj (right) say an error on their permanent residency application prevents their son Daksh from joining them to live in Canada. (Provided by the family)
The immigration law that is preventing an Ottawa couple with permanent residency from sponsoring their three-year-old son to join them in Canada is in place to prevent fraud and child trafficking, a spokesman for Citizenship and Immigration Canada told CBC News.
Bhavna Bajaj and Aman Sood made a public plea to the ministry to allow their son Daksh, who is in India, to join them in Canada.
Bajaj told CBC News she was pregnant when she and her husband applied for permanent residency in 2011. By the time the Canadian government accepted their application last year, the couple had a son.
Bhavna Bajaj poses with her son Daksh. (Courtesy of the Bhavna Bajaj-Aman Sood family)
The couple said an immigration consultant advised them to sponsor their son after they arrived in Canada but once they landed they were told they had broken the law.
A spokesman for Citizenship and Immigration Canada told CBC News on Sunday that he could not disclose information about this particular case due to privacy laws but spoke generally about the application process.
"Applicants are expected to abide by attestations they have made to officers regarding their application as they land in Canada," spokesman Kevin Menard wrote in an email. "The policy that requires applicants to disclose all of their family members in their application before landing in Canada helps CIC prevent immigration fraud and child trafficking."
He also said that applicants are expected to disclose if the circumstances in their original application change.
"In general, if someone has a baby before applying to immigrate to Canada, they are expected to disclose that," he said.
"Upon their arrival in Canada, they are expected to be forthright and truthful in their attestations — this includes any information regarding dependants. There are several stages at which people can and should divulge such information. As part of the law, any dependent that is not listed in the application at the time of becoming a permanent resident, can’t be sponsored in the future."
The couple told CBC News on Friday that they made an honest mistake when they did not disclose the pregnancy. They have asked Minister of Citizen and Immigration Chris Alexander to allow their son to come to Canada under humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
"We are crying every day, craving for our child," Sood said.
"There's a big void in my whole life. Like, what should I do without him?" Bajaj said. "I need my kid over here ... I just want his future to be with me."
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...s-child-trafficking-government-says-1.2884936
Ottawa couple makes public plea to ministry to allow young son to join them in Canada
CBC News Posted: Dec 28, 2014 12:42 PM ET Last Updated: Dec 28, 2014 12:42 PM ET
Aman Sood (left) and Bhavna Bajaj (right) say an error on their permanent residency application prevents their son Daksh from joining them to live in Canada. (Provided by the family)
The immigration law that is preventing an Ottawa couple with permanent residency from sponsoring their three-year-old son to join them in Canada is in place to prevent fraud and child trafficking, a spokesman for Citizenship and Immigration Canada told CBC News.
Bhavna Bajaj and Aman Sood made a public plea to the ministry to allow their son Daksh, who is in India, to join them in Canada.
Bajaj told CBC News she was pregnant when she and her husband applied for permanent residency in 2011. By the time the Canadian government accepted their application last year, the couple had a son.
Bhavna Bajaj poses with her son Daksh. (Courtesy of the Bhavna Bajaj-Aman Sood family)
The couple said an immigration consultant advised them to sponsor their son after they arrived in Canada but once they landed they were told they had broken the law.
A spokesman for Citizenship and Immigration Canada told CBC News on Sunday that he could not disclose information about this particular case due to privacy laws but spoke generally about the application process.
"Applicants are expected to abide by attestations they have made to officers regarding their application as they land in Canada," spokesman Kevin Menard wrote in an email. "The policy that requires applicants to disclose all of their family members in their application before landing in Canada helps CIC prevent immigration fraud and child trafficking."
He also said that applicants are expected to disclose if the circumstances in their original application change.
"In general, if someone has a baby before applying to immigrate to Canada, they are expected to disclose that," he said.
"Upon their arrival in Canada, they are expected to be forthright and truthful in their attestations — this includes any information regarding dependants. There are several stages at which people can and should divulge such information. As part of the law, any dependent that is not listed in the application at the time of becoming a permanent resident, can’t be sponsored in the future."
The couple told CBC News on Friday that they made an honest mistake when they did not disclose the pregnancy. They have asked Minister of Citizen and Immigration Chris Alexander to allow their son to come to Canada under humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
"We are crying every day, craving for our child," Sood said.
"There's a big void in my whole life. Like, what should I do without him?" Bajaj said. "I need my kid over here ... I just want his future to be with me."
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本例就跟加拿大人选了小土豆有异曲同工之效！--- “自己约的炮，含泪也得打完！”
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"We are crying every day, craving for our child," Sood said.
"There's a big void in my whole life. Like, what should I do without him?" Bajaj said.
Simple solution - go back to India, fight with the right immigrant consultant and take good care the child at India.
自己的身份无忧，应该考虑孩子的了
"There's a big void in my whole life. Like, what should I do without him?" Bajaj said.
Simple solution - go back to India, fight with the right immigrant consultant and take good care the child at India.
自己的身份无忧，应该考虑孩子的了
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俺脚着你老人家是来增加点击率的！
