渥太华公民报今天大放厥词，借神五航天污蔑我国主权等问题！

[lifeisfun]

最初由 闲云 发布
能不能把这篇文章的原文和翻译件转送给住OTTAWA中国大使馆，让他们做出一点努力。

同时最好能给中国的中央政府有关人员或者中国的所有网上媒体转发这篇文章的原件和翻译件，造点声势，
也许效果更好，毕竟神舟发射是让咱们中国人自豪的事情，一切都是靠自己成功的，说明咱们不比别人差，只要条件允许，甚至能比别人做的更好。

Argee. As this article not only attack the launch of manned spaceship, but also intervene the internal affair of China such as Tibet, Hongkong, Macao and Taiwan. The Chinese embassy shouldn't sit silent in the capital to allow such article appearing in the newspaper, especially it's right before the Canada prime minster visit China again.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 terrence 发布
有人把这个转到其它中文论坛上了。

Should pass this to othe forums in other cities of Canada such as Tornoto and Vancouver.

 

[民工]

最初由 Pass 发布
I have sent Email to the following persons.

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1)James Orban
General Manager
596-3726
jorban@thecitizen.canwest.com
2)Scott Anderson
Editor
596-8503
sanderson@thecitizen.canwest.com
3)Don Butler
Exec. Editor
596-3671
dbutler@thecitizen.canwest.com
4)Derek Shelly
Deputy Managing Editor
dshelly@thecitizen.canwest.com
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这是我根据我的理解和经历写的，大家请自己发挥，COPY就不好玩了.
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Here is what I said:

Dear Madam/Sir

After I read the editorial "China syndrome" published on Ottawa Citizen, 17 October 2003, I have to say that the author, Mr. John Robson doesn't state the facts and he doesn't know much about China's history. The article is full of biased and prejudiced comments. He said "It has brutally occupied Tibet for half a century, it has just retaken Hong Kong and Macau". He even doesn't know Tibet had been within China for thousands of years, and Hongkong and Macau were and are China territorial. The way he spoke about "retaken" reflects his sour colony mood.

China is much open and much cooperative than before, whose progress in economy and technology will benefit the whole world. Do Canadians want to do business with a country with booming market and tons of opportunities, or do canadians want to assume a vague "cold war enemy"?

I was borned in China, and now I am working for a Canadian Hi-tech company. Almost 1/3 of its products are now sold to China. Everytime when my boss came back from China, he brought back contracts and revenues. He told sales guys that "the more goodwills you show to your chinese customer, the more contracts you will get." Does Mr Robson try to convince Canadian politicians to separate China from International community? Does Mr. Robson want to risk tons of contracts which should belong to Canadian companies?

Some chinese customers prefers canadian products because Chinese has a strong good feeling on Canadians. Kind chinese people still remember one famous canadian doctor who joined with Chinese fighting with Japanese in World War II. As for the threat from China military, I believe what China can do now is only protecting itself. Does China send any soldier overseas? Does China use its "power" to push others to adopt Chinese kind of value? Why can't people on the world respect with each other's value?

According to United Nation Charters, the out-space belongs to the whole human beings. It was American's and Russian's merit to send their poeple to the out-space sky before. Chinese people also deserve this merit now for their hard working. Why are some people here uncomfortable with chinese's achievements now? Fairplay and be a gentleman, please!

Co-operation is much better than confliction. I do wish Mr.Robson could go to China to take a look to see what chinese is doing right now.

Again, I wish Mr.John Robson retrieve what he said, and make judgement after he really understands history and current world.

Best regards

赞!

 

[Kent以东首帅哥]

实际上也有许多鬼子并不太在乎Hawaii或者Quebec独立.

 

[einsteins_ghost]

最初由 Pass 发布
I have sent Email to the following persons.

===================================================
1)James Orban
General Manager
596-3726
jorban@thecitizen.canwest.com
2)Scott Anderson
Editor
596-8503
sanderson@thecitizen.canwest.com
3)Don Butler
Exec. Editor
596-3671
dbutler@thecitizen.canwest.com
4)Derek Shelly
Deputy Managing Editor
dshelly@thecitizen.canwest.com
======================================================================

这是我根据我的理解和经历写的，大家请自己发挥，COPY就不好玩了.
================================================================

Here is what I said:

Dear Madam/Sir

After I read the editorial "China syndrome" published on Ottawa Citizen, 17 October 2003, I have to say that the author, Mr. John Robson doesn't state the facts and he doesn't know much about China's history. The article is full of biased and prejudiced comments. He said "It has brutally occupied Tibet for half a century, it has just retaken Hong Kong and Macau". He even doesn't know Tibet had been within China for thousands of years, and Hongkong and Macau were and are China territorial. The way he spoke about "retaken" reflects his sour colony mood.

China is much open and much cooperative than before, whose progress in economy and technology will benefit the whole world. Do Canadians want to do business with a country with booming market and tons of opportunities, or do canadians want to assume a vague "cold war enemy"?

I was borned in China, and now I am working for a Canadian Hi-tech company. Almost 1/3 of its products are now sold to China. Everytime when my boss came back from China, he brought back contracts and revenues. He told sales guys that "the more goodwills you show to your chinese customer, the more contracts you will get." Does Mr Robson try to convince Canadian politicians to separate China from International community? Does Mr. Robson want to risk tons of contracts which should belong to Canadian companies?

Some chinese customers prefers canadian products because Chinese has a strong good feeling on Canadians. Kind chinese people still remember one famous canadian doctor who joined with Chinese fighting with Japanese in World War II. As for the threat from China military, I believe what China can do now is only protecting itself. Does China send any soldier overseas? Does China use its "power" to push others to adopt Chinese kind of value? Why can't people on the world respect with each other's value?

According to United Nation Charters, the out-space belongs to the whole human beings. It was American's and Russian's merit to send their poeple to the out-space sky before. Chinese people also deserve this merit now for their hard working. Why are some people here uncomfortable with chinese's achievements now? Fairplay and be a gentleman, please!

Co-operation is much better than confliction. I do wish Mr.Robson could go to China to take a look to see what chinese is doing right now.

Again, I wish Mr.John Robson retrieve what he said, and make judgement after he really understands history and current world.

Best regards

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: good luck, man!!!

 

[einsteins_ghost]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


Good point. The Birtish has no right to argue that one has the right to protect his country from spearation, as an old colonist, it launched too many wars to grab the land from other countries in the past.

past is past

 

[einsteins_ghost]

propaganda got u guys covered pretty nicely

 

[wushuren]

神洲上天，大笑三声，哈！哈！哈！让笑声象巨龙咆哮响彻太阳系。

--------地球联盟军司令部令

 

[phonecard]

要一句话里有这么多账东西也不容易.
没必要这样, 骂别人妈的时候也想想自己也是从那个地方出来的.

 

[northernwolf]

这家伙是哪个党派的？投票时一定不能选他所在的党派。

 

[光之贱]

The main point is if China can afford to send a man in space,
they should not be given aid money.....
That's the only shit he say there...
Everything else is bullshit and addons.

Space Program a billion dollar program..
If people need help
why engage in this type of program?(This motherfu<ker doesn't know anything)
That's the point he is trying to get across to the reader..
The rest of shit he is saying is just blah blah blah bullshit...


Envy us!!
Suck my ass!!!

 

[剑寒九州]

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诚心地劝各位一句：别去自取其辱了。

不明白，你们这帮人瞎折腾什么。抗议什么？人家诬蔑你主权？压跟就没影的事儿。玩政治你们不是他们的对手，玩文字游戏你们更不行。这篇文字完全禁得起推敲，你根本挑不出毛病。occupy是中性词，跟invade完全不一样；retake用的更是恰到好处，恰恰说明文章作者充分了解香港历史。要人家道歉，道歉什么？

也许有些人会说，这篇文章的措辞没问题，但字里行间透露出来的情绪、态度很令中国人反感。那我就更不明白了：你让人家道歉，到底让人家向谁道歉？人家已经向杨利伟表示祝贺，向中国的科技人员祝贺，说明人家把中国政府和中国分的清清楚楚。真正让文章作者所不齿的，是中国政府的一些做法，比如民众的温饱问题，环境问题等等。“We congratulate China's first taikonaut and the scientists and technicians who made his trip to outer space happen. But we're not very happy with his government for sending Yang Liwei into space.”这句话简直就是给你们这样的中国愤青量身定做的。看见了吧？想抗议？这句话等着你们呢。

所以，如果让人家道歉，人家也只能向中国政府道歉，跟你们一帮小屁孩子有何相干？大使馆还没急呢，诸位急什么？

说穿了，中国人的“道歉心态”还是弱者心态。人民日报骂美国的时候多了去了，你什么时候见过美国人写信给中共中央宣传部要求道歉的？中国现在已经强大了，难免招来各种声音，这太正常了，就像名人一定会有招来各种流言蜚语一样。强大的中国，其国民还是弱国的国民。从这点来看，中国呆在强国俱乐部里还不太够格
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这种缩头乌龟，自己没血性还打击别人
典型的“民主分子”

这就是为啥中国人在国外政治地位这么低
Shame on you!!!

 

[hifuhu]

Superiority and inferiority complex

"Big Ass" mentioned that our demand for apology is a sign of inferiority complex.

What made John Robson write that editorial? Inferiority complex? Superiority complex? Sour complex? Green complex?

I think we are enjoying quite a superiority complex! And kick some serious ass!

 

[yesterday]

最初由 Pass 发布


我的看法是这样的:

他们对中国社会制度的偏见由来已久,他们在这一点上的言辞没有必要去理会.

但是此人对中国历史的无知和对中国主权的诽谤,我们必须反击!

示威游行是没有必要了,可行的是,大家用历史和事实来反驳他们,给他们发EMAIL或写信,口语好的可以打电话给编辑部.在OTTAWACITIZEN上经常有类似的辩论,往往是一个作者写了一篇引起争议的文章,很多人奋起反击,最后编辑部将根据来信反映的'民意'来登出反对和批评的意见.

如果没有人反击,普通的市民就会习惯这种言论.

我希望反击达成的目标:
1) 在OTTAWA CITIZEN上刊登节选的反击文章 (最低目标)
2) 在OTTAWA CITIZEN全文刊登反击文章 (中级目标)
3) 作者道歉 (高级目标)

如何反击?

从一个普通华人的角度:
1) 反击他们对香港和澳门回归的污蔑
能否有人联出关于香港问题的由来客观的英文文章.
2) 反击他们对TIBET(西藏)的污蔑.
我有次在飞美国的飞机上,旁边有个老美问我对中国'吞并'TIBET怎么看.我就反问他,你对HAWII和美国大陆的关系怎么看?如果HAWII的部族首领要脱离美国,你会怎么做呢?如果中国再鼓动HAWII离开美国,美国人会怎么看我?他最后说美国是混蛋,当年抢了好多地方.
3) 指出他们对中国神5上天的嘲笑的酸葡萄心态.
太空是人类的,你有本事上去看风景,为什么我上去看你就说这种'酸'话?

哪些点不能说?
1) 不要过分强调中国的强国地位.
在BBC的留言中,看到一个爱国人士,说"中国以前好几百年都是帝国SUPER POWER,现在我们又回来了".这种话的本身就给他们提供攻击中国的把柄.
中国现在是SUPER POWER吗? 不, 仅仅是'看起来象'.
2) 不要扯制度之优越
3) 不要人身攻击

CFC史坛上有很多能人啊,引经据典,现在我需要你们的素材.快贴上来吧.

现在CFC网上充满地域,院校之争,这个议题,我相信大部分人会有共同点,来次竞赛吧,如果任何人的反对文章能在OTTAWACITIZEN上登出,我们公认他是中国牛校在OTTAWA的总代表吧.

支持

请大家忽略来自屁股的noise.

就如狗嘴吐不出象牙，

屁股永远出不来什么香味。

 

[mianfei]

he forgot Quebec and New Found Land.
do it man!