真正的破冰deal 来了，先49000辆EV

[billwanhua]

BYD准备和Ford合作了。

这个好，生产福特品牌汽车，卖欧洲，美国人也得好处，估计福特会说服川普

 

[月下独酌]

oc transpo bus每天平均跑275km, 如果range -1/3, 估计跑不下来

那得看放多少电池，问题不大

 

[ottawa_tj]

BYD准备和Ford合作了。

汽车，还是省长？

 

[月下独酌]

现在model 3全下来得将近7万吧，类似大小的比如honda accord混动全下来四万八，差两万块，靠油钱什么时候能赚回来

你不能拿awd的tesla比fwd的accord
都是两驱的话价钱差一万

 

[月下独酌]

现在model 3全下来得将近7万吧，类似大小的比如honda accord混动全下来四万八，差两万块，靠油钱什么时候能赚回来

你可以对比id.4 那就很省钱了

 

[红红枫叶]

Prime Minister Mark Carney, who announced a deal Friday with China on a range of sectors, including canola and a tariff-quota arrangement on electric vehicles, took questions on the terms of the deal, what it means for Canada — and the implications of moving closer to China.

The Latest​

• Prime Minister Mark Carney's Liberal government has reached a “landmark” trade deal with China.
• The deal allows up to 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles into the Canadian market. In return, Ottawa expects Beijing to drop canola seed duties to 15 per cent by March.
• The pact would also remove tariffs on Canadian canola meal, lobsters, crabs and peas from March until at least the end of 2026.
• Carney in Beijing said China is more predictable partner than the U.S.
• Ontario Premier Doug Ford is critical of the EV deal, warning that China now has a "foothold" in the Canadian market and will use it "at the expense of Canadian workers."
• Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe described the deal as a "positive step forward" that came "earlier than some were expecting."

 

[红红枫叶]

Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he did not hear from Prime Minister Mark Carney about the electric vehicle arrangement with China before it was announced, adding 'this was not thought out properly.'
Domestically, we're already seeing mixed reactions to the deal. One of the most outspoken critics is Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who said the deal "wasn't thought out properly" and will "hurt every single auto manufacturer."

Meanwhile, NDP interim Leader Don Davies called the agreement a "step forward" on social media platform X. "NDP will continue to press for Chinese EVs to be built in Canada — access to our auto market should create Canadian jobs," he wrote.

Industry leaders in Saskatchewan and Atlantic Canada also welcomed the deal for its (albeit temporary) tariff relief on things like canola and lobster.

The mixed reactions are a reminder that in a country as large and diverse as Canada, it's hard to please everyone, according to Western University political science professor Laura Stephenson.

"I'm really glad I'm not a politician because it's hard," Stephenson said. "The country is diverse. And when it comes to trade and industry, we are especially diverse."

According to Stephenson, Carney's decision to strike a deal with China is neither right nor wrong, but the prime minister likely had to weigh several pros and cons.

"All in all it's about what's going to be the biggest bang for a trade agreement," Stephenson said.

"It might anger some premiers and might make others happy, but on balance, where will they fall? These are interesting choices," she said.

"From my point of view, sitting back and watching is fascinating."

 

[uncle666]

这个好，生产福特品牌汽车，卖欧洲，美国人也得好处，估计福特会说服川普

如果中国EV厂家现在被允许或被要求在加拿大设厂，会直接触动NAFTA的底线。 按照NAFTA的规定，如果在加拿大生产，就在法律层面上可以被允许按相应的低税率进入美国，这将激怒川普。对加拿大彻底翻脸，这也不是加拿大人希望看到的。

所以现在进口配额的做法对中加双方都是比较稳妥的。

 

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• Prime Minister Mark Carney's Liberal government has reached a “landmark” trade deal with China.
• The deal allows up to 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles into the Canadian market. In return, Ottawa expects Beijing to drop canola seed duties to 15 per cent by March.
• The pact would also remove tariffs on Canadian canola meal, lobsters, crabs and peas from March until at least the end of 2026.
• Carney in Beijing said China is more predictable partner than the U.S.
• Ontario Premier Doug Ford is critical of the EV deal, warning that China now has a "foothold" in the Canadian market and will use it "at the expense of Canadian workers."
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  "I'm really glad I'm not a politician because it's hard," Stephenson said. "The country is diverse. And when it comes to trade and industry, we are especially diverse."
  
  According to Stephenson, Carney's decision to strike a deal with China is neither right nor wrong, but the prime minister likely had to weigh several pros and cons.
  
  "All in all it's about what's going to be the biggest bang for a trade agreement," Stephenson said.
  
  "It might anger some premiers and might make others happy, but on balance, where will they fall? These are interesting choices," she said.
  
  "From my point of view, sitting back and watching is fascinating."
  
  
  
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  Trump himself is open to Chinese autos in the U.S.​

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  U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during at the White House Friday. (Alex Brandon/The Associated Press)
  While at least one Trump administration official has implied that Canada will regret cutting an EV deal with China, the president himself has shown a willingness to bring Chinese automakers into the U.S.
  
  During a Tuesday meeting at the Detroit Economic Club, Trump reportedly reiterated his fondness for tariffs. But he also said he'd be open to Chinese companies building plants in U.S. towns — as long as they create jobs for Americans.
  
  "If they want to come in and build a plant and hire you and hire your friends and your neighbours, that's great, I love that," Trump said during his remarks. "Let China come in, let Japan come in."

 

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Prime Minister Mark Carney, who announced a deal Friday with China on a range of sectors, including canola and a tariff-quota arrangement on electric vehicles, took questions on the terms of the deal, what it means for Canada — and the implications of moving closer to China.

The Latest​

• Prime Minister Mark Carney's Liberal government has reached a “landmark” trade deal with China.
• The deal allows up to 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles into the Canadian market. In return, Ottawa expects Beijing to drop canola seed duties to 15 per cent by March.
• The pact would also remove tariffs on Canadian canola meal, lobsters, crabs and peas from March until at least the end of 2026.
• Carney in Beijing said China is more predictable partner than the U.S.
• Ontario Premier Doug Ford is critical of the EV deal, warning that China now has a "foothold" in the Canadian market and will use it "at the expense of Canadian workers."
• Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe described the deal as a "positive step forward" that came "earlier than some were expecting."

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  Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he did not hear from Prime Minister Mark Carney about the electric vehicle arrangement with China before it was announced, adding 'this was not thought out properly.'
  Domestically, we're already seeing mixed reactions to the deal. One of the most outspoken critics is Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who said the deal "wasn't thought out properly" and will "hurt every single auto manufacturer."
  
  Meanwhile, NDP interim Leader Don Davies called the agreement a "step forward" on social media platform X. "NDP will continue to press for Chinese EVs to be built in Canada — access to our auto market should create Canadian jobs," he wrote.
  
  Industry leaders in Saskatchewan and Atlantic Canada also welcomed the deal for its (albeit temporary) tariff relief on things like canola and lobster.
  
  The mixed reactions are a reminder that in a country as large and diverse as Canada, it's hard to please everyone, according to Western University political science professor Laura Stephenson.
  
  "I'm really glad I'm not a politician because it's hard," Stephenson said. "The country is diverse. And when it comes to trade and industry, we are especially diverse."
  
  According to Stephenson, Carney's decision to strike a deal with China is neither right nor wrong, but the prime minister likely had to weigh several pros and cons.
  
  "All in all it's about what's going to be the biggest bang for a trade agreement," Stephenson said.
  
  "It might anger some premiers and might make others happy, but on balance, where will they fall? These are interesting choices," she said.
  
  "From my point of view, sitting back and watching is fascinating."
  
  
  
• 10 minutes ago
  

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  U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during at the White House Friday. (Alex Brandon/The Associated Press)
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  During a Tuesday meeting at the Detroit Economic Club, Trump reportedly reiterated his fondness for tariffs. But he also said he'd be open to Chinese companies building plants in U.S. towns — as long as they create jobs for Americans.
  
  "If they want to come in and build a plant and hire you and hire your friends and your neighbours, that's great, I love that," Trump said during his remarks. "Let China come in, let Japan come in." 川普要抢加拿大的生意，稳稳的？

 

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Prime Minister Mark Carney, who announced a deal Friday with China on a range of sectors, including canola and a tariff-quota arrangement on electric vehicles, took questions on the terms of the deal, what it means for Canada — and the implications of moving closer to China.

The Latest​

• Prime Minister Mark Carney's Liberal government has reached a “landmark” trade deal with China.
• The deal allows up to 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles into the Canadian market. In return, Ottawa expects Beijing to drop canola seed duties to 15 per cent by March.
• The pact would also remove tariffs on Canadian canola meal, lobsters, crabs and peas from March until at least the end of 2026.
• Carney in Beijing said China is more predictable partner than the U.S.
• Ontario Premier Doug Ford is critical of the EV deal, warning that China now has a "foothold" in the Canadian market and will use it "at the expense of Canadian workers."
• Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe described the deal as a "positive step forward" that came "earlier than some were expecting."

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1:48
Canada's relationship with China 'more predictable' than relationship with U.S., PM says

20:14
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3:13
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• January 16​

  8 minutes ago
  

  Mixed reactions domestically are par for the course​

  Anya Zoledziowski
  
  
  
  
  Ford says EV deal with China 'is going to be terrible' for Ontarians, auto sector
  
  
  26 minutes ago|
  Duration0:59
  Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he did not hear from Prime Minister Mark Carney about the electric vehicle arrangement with China before it was announced, adding 'this was not thought out properly.'
  Domestically, we're already seeing mixed reactions to the deal. One of the most outspoken critics is Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who said the deal "wasn't thought out properly" and will "hurt every single auto manufacturer."
  
  Meanwhile, NDP interim Leader Don Davies called the agreement a "step forward" on social media platform X. "NDP will continue to press for Chinese EVs to be built in Canada — access to our auto market should create Canadian jobs," he wrote.
  
  Industry leaders in Saskatchewan and Atlantic Canada also welcomed the deal for its (albeit temporar
  
  
  While at least one Trump administration official has implied that Canada will regret cutting an EV deal with China, the president himself has shown a willingness to bring Chinese automakers into the U.S.
  
  During a Tuesday meeting at the Detroit Economic Club, Trump reportedly reiterated his fondness for tariffs. But he also said he'd be open to Chinese companies building plants in U.S. towns — as long as they create jobs for Americans.
  
  "If they want to come in and build a plant and hire you and hire your friends and your neighbours, that's great, I love that," Trump said during his remarks. "Let China come in, let Japan come in."

关键是这49000辆电车里有多少Tesla，有多少BYD或者小米和理想？

2023年加拿大进口的电车，绝大部分应该是上海产的特斯拉。

小米还没有出口。49000太少了，国内会用配额方式安排吗？

 

[地坛北里]

我不敢买电动車，咱村冬天太冷

 

[urus]

客气

bus和delivery truck/mail truck才是最适合ev的人选，amazon那种delivery truck一天基本上150km max（在城里），一直都是启停。。而且ev低速60kmh以下效率最高，超适合市区

家用在城里commute也很适合，>100kmh会loss越来越高

在家充电, local commute，百公里成本是油车的1/5到1/10
你不能用"我两周加一次油“的理论来说ev，毕竟大部分人都是城里commute，一天也就100来公里。ev的好处就是你可以每天晚上插上在家充电

完全同意。

固定路线， local commute，频繁启停， 这些场景里， EV完胜油车。

公交车就完全符合这个应用场景。


唯一需要考虑的，就是电池起火。虽然发生概率低，但是一旦发生，后果不堪设想。

How Common Are EV Fires? Here's what current studies say — EV fires, while dramatic, are significantly less frequent than those in gasoline-powered vehicles: All-electric vehicles experience about 25 fires per 100,000 sold, compared to 1,530 fires per 100,000 for gasoline cars.

我去年回国一趟。 走了江浙沪好几个城市。 各处的公交车， 好像都已经是电车了。至少我坐的几条线路， 都是电车。

 

[uncle666]

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Carney, reaching trade deal with China, says country is more 'predictable' than U.S.​

Updated8 minutes ago
Pact will see tens of thousands of Chinese EVs in Canada in exchange for lowering canola duties

Q&A: Carney takes questions on China trade deal, EVs and security


5 hours ago|
Duration26:39
Prime Minister Mark Carney, who announced a deal Friday with China on a range of sectors, including canola and a tariff-quota arrangement on electric vehicles, took questions on the terms of the deal, what it means for Canada — and the implications of moving closer to China.

The Latest​

• Prime Minister Mark Carney's Liberal government has reached a “landmark” trade deal with China.
• The deal allows up to 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles into the Canadian market. In return, Ottawa expects Beijing to drop canola seed duties to 15 per cent by March.
• The pact would also remove tariffs on Canadian canola meal, lobsters, crabs and peas from March until at least the end of 2026.
• Carney in Beijing said China is more predictable partner than the U.S.
• Ontario Premier Doug Ford is critical of the EV deal, warning that China now has a "foothold" in the Canadian market and will use it "at the expense of Canadian workers."
• Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe described the deal as a "positive step forward" that came "earlier than some were expecting."

Featured Media​

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0:59
Ford says EV deal with China 'is going to be terrible' for Ontarians, auto sector

2:31
Sask. premier and producers react to the new trade agreement with China

10:34
Canada reaches tariff deal with China on EVs, canola

1:48
Canada's relationship with China 'more predictable' than relationship with U.S., PM says

20:14
The Breakdown | Carney talks trade in China

2:04
Carney meets Xi Jinping, hails progress in resetting trade with China

21:50
At Issue | Does Carney’s China reset come with risks?

3:13
‘A new era of our relationship:’ Carney, ministers meet with China’s premier in Beijing

---

Updates​

Latest firstLatest first

Timeline

• January 16​

  8 minutes ago
  

  Mixed reactions domestically are par for the course​

  Anya Zoledziowski
  
  
  
  
  Ford says EV deal with China 'is going to be terrible' for Ontarians, auto sector
  
  
  26 minutes ago|
  Duration0:59
  Ontario Premier Doug Ford says he did not hear from Prime Minister Mark Carney about the electric vehicle arrangement with China before it was announced, adding 'this was not thought out properly.'
  Domestically, we're already seeing mixed reactions to the deal. One of the most outspoken critics is Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who said the deal "wasn't thought out properly" and will "hurt every single auto manufacturer."
  
  Meanwhile, NDP interim Leader Don Davies called the agreement a "step forward" on social media platform X. "NDP will continue to press for Chinese EVs to be built in Canada — access to our auto market should create Canadian jobs," he wrote.
  
  Industry leaders in Saskatchewan and Atlantic Canada also welcomed the deal for its (albeit temporar
  
  
  While at least one Trump administration official has implied that Canada will regret cutting an EV deal with China, the president himself has shown a willingness to bring Chinese automakers into the U.S.
  
  During a Tuesday meeting at the Detroit Economic Club, Trump reportedly reiterated his fondness for tariffs. But he also said he'd be open to Chinese companies building plants in U.S. towns — as long as they create jobs for Americans.
  
  "If they want to come in and build a plant and hire you and hire your friends and your neighbours, that's great, I love that," Trump said during his remarks. "Let China come in, let Japan come in."

小米还没有出口。49000太少了，国内会用配额方式安排吗？

中国也应该采取配额制度，否则，这么多中国厂家一股脑杀进来，低价狂卷，会把市场带坏的
最好2家进来，最多不能超过3家

 

[urus]

我不敢买电动車，咱村冬天太冷

如果是家里不止一辆车， 可以考虑有一辆EV，用来市内上下班， 买买菜这种路线的通勤。

只要距离不是那么长， 冬天也不是不可以用EV。