关于专制和民主政权的讨论

[Gordon605]

跟造反派讲理 ? 还不如对牛弹琴 !

 

[Gordon605]

这话基本是胡扯，CFC很多人还说朝鲜人过得比韩国人幸福，下场就是社会主义专制很好

你不知道CFC共党的卧底很多 ? 共党一贯的特点就是颠倒黑白，朝鲜好他们怎么不移民过去?

 

[Mikejia]

民主就是 在没饭吃没衣服穿的情况下，可以饿这肚子冷着身子自由地骂政府不作为的权利，可幸福了

 

[Gordon605]

這話等中共堅持專制然後垮了，我就支持你。

全世界的共党都已经垮了，只剩下一个中共也不提马列了，其实已经演变成一个贪腐的政党而已。

 

[Gordon605]

民主就是 在没饭吃没衣服穿的情况下，可以饿这肚子冷着身子自由地骂政府不作为的权利，可幸福了

没饭吃没衣服穿那是社会主义的特点，有没有搞错 ?
全世界哪一个社会主义国家让老百姓吃饱饭了 ? 中国也是搞了资本主义的市场经济后老百姓才添饱肚皮。
搞社会主义计划经济的时候饿死几千万，可幸福了!

 

[Mikejia]

Hunger in America: 2015 United States Hunger and Poverty Facts

World Hunger Education Service

Hunger in the United States

Six years after the onset of the financial and economic crisis, hunger remains high in the United States. The financial and economic crisis that erupted in 2008 caused a significant increase in hunger in the United States. This high level of hunger diminished somewhat in 2013, according to the latest government report (with the most recent statistics) released in September 2015 (Coleman-Jensen 2015a).

• In 2013, 14.3 percent of households (17.5 million households, approximately one in seven), were food insecure (Coleman-Jensen 2014b, p. 1). This is down slightly from 14.9 percent food insecure in 2008 and 2009 which was the highest number recorded since these statistics have been kept (Coleman-Jensen 2014b, p.1 ).
• In 2013, 5.6 percent of U.S. households (6.8 million households) had very low food security. In this more severe range of food insecurity, the food intake of some household members was reduced and normal eating patterns were disrupted at times during the year due to limited resources (Coleman-Jensen 2014b, p.1) .
• Children were food insecure at times during the year in 9.9 percent of households with children. These 3.8 million households were unable at times during the year to provide adequate, nutritious food for their children While children are usually shielded by their parents, who go hungry themselves, from the disrupted eating patterns and reduced food intake that characterize very low food security, both children and adults experienced instances of very low food security in 0.9 percent of households with children (360,000 households) in 2013 (Coleman-Jensen 2014b, p. 2).
• The median [a type of average] food-secure household spent 30 percent more on food than the median food-insecure household of the same size and household composition including food purchased with Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits (formerly the Food Stamp Program) (Coleman-Jensen 2014b, p. 2).
• Rates of food insecurity were substantially higher than the national average for households with incomes near or below the Federal poverty line, households with children headed by single women or single men, and Black and Hispanic households (Coleman-Jensen 2014b, p. 2).
• Background: The United States changed the name of its definitions in 2006 that eliminated references to hunger, keeping various categories of food insecurity. This did not represent a change in what was measured. Very low food insecurity (described as food insecurity with hunger prior to 2006) means that, at times during the year, the food intake of household members was reduced and their normal eating patterns were disrupted because the household lacked money and other resources for food. This means that people were hungry (in the sense of "the uneasy or painful sensation caused by want of food" [Oxford English Dictionary 1971] for days each year.

Poverty in the United States

The official poverty measure is published by the United States Census Bureau and shows that:

• In 2013, there were 45.3 million people in poverty. This is up from 37.3 million in 2007. The number of poor people is near the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty statistics have been published (DeNavas-Walt 2014, p. 12—also see table there).
• The 2013 poverty rate was 14.5 percent, down only slightly from the 2010 poverty rate of 15.1 percent and still up from 12.5 percent in 1997, although the recession has ended officially (DeNavas-Walt 2014, p. 12). (The poverty rate was at 22.4 percent in 1959, the first year for poverty estimates.)
• The 2013 poverty rate for Blacks was 27.2 percent, for Hispanics 23.5 percent, for Asians 10.5 percent and for non-Hispanic whites 9.6 percent (DeNavas-Walt 2014, p. 12-3).
• The poverty rate for children under 18 fell from 21.8 percent in 2012 to 19.9 percent in 2013. The number of children in poverty fell from 16.1 million to 14.7 million. Children represented 23.5 percent of the total population and 32.3 percent of people in poverty (DeNavas-Walt 2014, p. 15).
• 19.9 million Americans live in extreme poverty. This means their family’s cash income is less than half of the poverty line, or about $10,000 a year for a family of four. They represented 6.3 percent of all people and 43.8 percent of those in poverty(DeNavas-Walt 2014, p. 16).

 

[Mikejia]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/03/03/hunger_on_the_rise_in_canada_report_warns.html

The number of malnourished and chronically hungry people in Canada is “growing at an alarming rate,” according to a report to be released Thursday.

And people should be able to buy their own food rather than rely on charity, the report says.

“Immediate changes are needed in provincial and federal income security programs in order to ensure that all people have the resources required to buy nutritious food,” according to the Recession Relief Coalition’s report.

Titled Hunger Crisis, it follows a public inquiry the coalition organized in late November 2010. A panel of experts heard evidence from social service providers, researchers studying the issue and people who have experienced hunger.

The panel, which included a physician, chef and housing advocate, suggested raising social assistance rates and emphasized the responsibility of businesses to pay their employees a living wage.

Sheryl Lindsay, executive director of Sistering, has noticed “a dramatic increase” in the number of people using the drop-in centre’s food program. When the agency moved to its current west-end location four years ago, about 100 meals were being served each day. That number is now about 200 meals.

“We’re just one agency in the city and anybody who is trying to provide food has seen this explosion in numbers,” Lindsay said.

Last year, there were nearly one million visits to Toronto’s food banks, a 14 per cent increase over 2009.

And in March 2010, food banks helped a record 867,948 people across the country, according to Food Banks Canada.

The panel developed 27 recommendations clustered around 6 themes:

• Raise incomes/invest in income security programs

• Increase access to adequate affordable housing

• Consider access to good, nutritious food in community and urban planning

• Improve access to and quality of emergency food programs

• Recognize poverty and hunger as major risk factors for physical and mental health issues

• Respect human dignity in eliminating hunger.

 

[Mikejia]

Ottawa

 

[lfe634]

有些人散布的错误信息是故意扰乱公众信息来源，是谣言制造者。我觉得做人应该怎么想就怎么说，而不是为了营造一团和气而对什么样的人都要用一个好的或温和的形容词来评价。

我讀過網路上真有職業的 "公關公司" 造謠服務。對這，我除了說 "生孩子沒屁眼" 以外也不知道該怎麼辦了。
但我覺得很多人並不知道自己在造謠，比如 CFC 上經常有謠言，似乎是正常人都可能做的事情。
我覺得就是缺乏一個找消息來源求證的根性，質疑的本能。這只是一個習慣，挺容易培養。
但還有一些客觀的基本需求，比如有多少人有辦法看學術論文？
其實日常生活有這種 "科學思考" 的習慣是很容易冒犯人的，自己吃了好多虧。
所以才想到 "溫和地" 解決問題，否則 tm 第一個被燒死。
在今日的社會，如果不是希望培養內心堅強的，還是別這麼自虐了。願意自虐的多包容別人，多貢獻一些。

 

[lfe634]

看完了这个视频，我也没看见方舟子受群攻。你是不是放错视频了？

我也覺得奇怪，大概是被群眾噓的意思。放視頻的人的意見而已。

 

[lfe634]

虽然我肯定地说，所有专制政权必然最后垮台？

如果說從專制邁向民主是人民水平提升，"群龍無首，吉" 的水到渠成自然結果，
同時如果專制政體有辦法使人民水平一路提升 (有上限，還有點低)，
那麼專制轉型為民主，就是 "完成階段性任務"。
民主轉型回專制 (比如軍人政變什麼的)，或許是人民或軍方還沒準備好。

 

[lfe634]

CFC 上很多人 就是来搞笑的， 搞着搞着 就入角色了。

我覺得網路上很多時候是為辯而辯的，或者發洩一些過去經驗造成的情緒，其實不必要太認真把彼此當敵人。
下線之後又都是老實人。

 

[lfe634]

北韩这种地方对你是一末黑。你如何晓的北韩老百姓的感受？

如果北韓沒有那種變態的集中營，殘忍害死這麼多不同意見的人、甚至冤枉人；
如果北韓沒有動不動威脅發動戰爭；
只是 "全國" 老百姓因為某種原因真是很幸福地活著，不輸出貧窮、革命，發起戰爭，即使它是用什麼怪異的迷信把人民都洗腦、控制住，即使全民都熱烈愛戴一個教主，教主說的就是神喻，那我還是得支持這樣的政體吧。難怪我不反對宗教。
研究發現物質水平提高，幸福感其實沒啥改變。

 

[lfe634]

人类历史上从来就没有一成不变 “基本的是非概念”。合理正当都是相对的。 任何是非概念都有其特定的时，地，人这些客观因素。

善就是幫助別人獲得幸福，惡就是破壞別人的幸福。這算不算基本的是非概念呢？

 

[老闹子]

如果北韓沒有那種變態的集中營，殘忍害死這麼多不同意見的人、甚至冤枉人；
如果北韓沒有動不動威脅發動戰爭；
只是 "全國" 老百姓因為某種原因真是很幸福地活著，不輸出貧窮、革命，發起戰爭，即使它是用什麼怪異的迷信把人民都洗腦、控制住，即使全民都熱烈愛戴一個教主，教主說的就是神喻，那我還是得支持這樣的政體吧。難怪我不反對宗教。
研究發現物質水平提高，幸福感其實沒啥改變。

你的想法，让我想到一个可供你思考的问题：神经不正常的傻瓜其实是不会感觉多少痛苦的，如果单纯从快乐和痛苦的时间上来计算，他一生中的快乐时间或不痛苦时间，应该比正常人要多。假设有这样的一个社会，其中大多数人都是这样的傻瓜，有少数智力正常的人，这些智力正常的人通过枷锁等方式迫使这些傻瓜为他们劳动，而这些神经和知觉不正常的傻瓜即使干活很累也不觉得太痛苦，至少他们没有知觉去感觉烦恼，所以这个社会中所有成员看起来都很快乐。你会支持这样的社会吗？

伦理学上有一个广受误解的学说，叫“功利主义”。这个学说之所以被误解的一个原因，是它认为评价一个行为是善还是恶的标准，应该以这个行为所影响的幸福或快乐的总量来判断。那些能够提高幸福和快乐总量的行为就是善的，那些减少幸福和快乐总量的行为就是恶的。于是有人就嘲笑这个学说，说按照它的意思，那么吃饱就睡的猪是最幸福的。“功利主义”也因此经常被用来作为一个贬义词来描述那些行为处事都以利益来衡量计算的人们。我说它是被误解的，因为功利主义的代表人物密尔其实很清楚地指出，在考虑幸福总量的时候，不同的快乐是存在着质的区别的。他在《功利主义》这本书中就指出，人类之所以是人类，绝不会认为做一个快乐的猪比做一个有烦恼的人更可取。

人不同于动物，是有人格的。完整的人格，至少包括正常的智力和情感，在此之上还有行动和言论自由，等等。一个人，也许为了他自己的快乐，他可以自甘沦为吃饱就睡的猪，别人也管不着他。但是如果一个国家里有少数人，通过愚民政策、洗脑或药物等等方法，努力把其他大多数本来正常的人改造成这样可供他使用而不知反抗的猪或傻瓜，消灭他们做正常人的想法，以便他们心甘情愿地为自己这少数人集团的利益服务，这少数人就是在做着反人类的事情，他们在消灭人性，他们就是人类的敌人。