精华 Election 2004 poll

[House wife]

Is there any proven reason/history of Conservative that they can lead Canada to better economy?
Or just give them a chance to try, like the US gave to Bush?

 

[Xiaomimi]

最初由 阿童木 发布

Seriously? Any proof?

Lowe Greene was born in US while his Dad studied there. Thus, he is a US citizen.

But he grew up in Canada, his parents brought him back to Canada when he was only 1 year old.

 

[oread]

I found this whole discussion about where Lowell Green was born utterly silly. Why would that even be an issue?!

Lowell is well known for his aggressive bullying of callers who dare to disagree with his views, but at least he cares about this country. Differences aside, he does raise issues worthy of discussion. You may not agree with him, I often don't, but I respect what he's doing.

p.s. If you can't stand Lowell, switch to Michael Harris.

 

[阿童木]

Liberal is in big trouble!! Personally I feel they are toooo arrogant this time. They really should have waited till fall to call the election. Too much bad blood is runing and they still go ahead to call the election as if they own the country by default. Especially in Ontario, it is such bad time after provincial liberal ate their own words in day light.

Chritien is slimy bad polician, but at least he is careful and that is why he is longest serving PM. Paul Martin is smart and likely better and more effective policymaker. But he may be too optimistic (arrogant) and too much a risk-taker this time. And he will have to pay now and lots of Liberals will go down with him.

Hopefully he will stay on to rebuild, even the liberal becomes minority (even official opposition!). But I think he may be too old.

 

[阿童木]

最初由 渐渐 发布
I found this whole discussion about where Lowell Green was born utterly silly. Why would that even be an issue?!

Of course it is issue. Help me to "potentially" figure out why his view is very insync with US popular views, even US is doing very stupid things like leaving world crime court, prisoner abuse and even collision of Chinese and US jet. Now I see why. Likely he is visiting/talking to his Conservative relatives often. 近珠者赤，近墨者黑.

I heard that he is also a long time Liberal-supporter when he is young (70s')

 

[northernwolf]

看一看当今世界上那个右派或极右政党把本国或地区经济搞好了？美国的共和党不仅把美国搞掺了，也把世界经
济拉到低谷。台湾的陈ＳＢ把台湾搞得一蹋糊涂。印度的人民党也因经济不景气输给国大党。西班牙最近
的选举也是坚决支持美国对伊拉克动武的执政党人民党在选举中落败，左派工人社会党获胜。因此说右派
政党能把加拿大经济搞好的说法简直是痴人说梦。ＮＤＰ是很有理想的政党，投ＮＤＰ。

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 northernwolf 发布
看一看当今世界上那个右派或极右政党把本国或地区经济搞好了？美国的共和党不仅把美国搞掺了，也把世界经
济拉到低谷。台湾的陈ＳＢ把台湾搞得一蹋糊涂。印度的人民党也因经济不景气输给国大党。西班牙最近
的选举也是坚决支持美国对伊拉克动武的执政党人民党在选举中落败，左派工人社会党获胜。因此说右派
政党能把加拿大经济搞好的说法简直是痴人说梦。ＮＤＰ是很有理想的政党，投ＮＤＰ。

I think people voting for conservative want to see if they keep their promise. Now in this country, it's not if one party is better than the other. It's the accountability. If you say something in the election, you should keep it. If not, either you are not qualified for this job, or you lied. It's as simple as that. Now liberals (both federal and provincial) lied to the people voting for them, then we should get rid of them, no matter what they now promise as their promise worth nothing. Paul Martin now promises 5 billions for health care, why didn't he do that two years ago.

Mike Harris, the former Ontario premier, is the only guy who can keep his words, no matter whether his words are good or bad. You do what you said. That's the politician we want to see at this stage. If every politician can keep their words, then people can decide which one they want to vote based on theirt preference. But if no politician can keep his word, then what's the point to vote.

So I will cast my ballot to conservative this time to give them a chance. Let's see what they are going to do, and if they don't keep their promise, then get rid of them next time. It's as simple as that.

 

[浆糊]

最初由 Rigel 发布
请大家注意的是，conservative根本不是极右翼政党。
另外，我想说的是，在一个自由国度里，怎么会有极端的排斥移民的现象？
为经济，为社会，为每个人，投Conservative Party.

It is the NDP who has always supported Chinese immigrants. Do you know that in the 1940-50’s there was a strong feeling amongst Canadians to stop immigrants from China? Canadians wanted immigrants, but not Chinese immigrants. It’s the NDP who argued for human rights and human equality for Chinese immigrants. For all those people who now enjoy immigration status in Canada, I feel we own the NDP a sense of gratitude for fighting against the Asian exclusion law, the Chinese head tax and what the NDP has done for you and me when the Liberals and Conservatives wanted to keep us out of Canada.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 northernwolf 发布
看一看当今世界上那个右派或极右政党把本国或地区经济搞好了？美国的共和党不仅把美国搞掺了，也把世界经
济拉到低谷。台湾的陈ＳＢ把台湾搞得一蹋糊涂。印度的人民党也因经济不景气输给国大党。西班牙最近
的选举也是坚决支持美国对伊拉克动武的执政党人民党在选举中落败，左派工人社会党获胜。因此说右派
政党能把加拿大经济搞好的说法简直是痴人说梦。ＮＤＰ是很有理想的政党，投ＮＤＰ。

I don's agree with you on your conclusions:

1. I don't think you can say the party elected in Taiwan is right party just because it wants to be independent.

2. The defeated party in India didn't lose due to the economic, but just the opposite, they did pretty well in economic, but they lost in the hands of poor people (due to the increasing gap bettween the poor and the middle class)

3. In Spain, the party lost the election due to the terriorist attacks, not the economic (I don't want to judge here if Spain should follow US in IRAQ war which is another issue).

 

[007]

看看ＮＤＰ是怎么支持工会，把ＢＣ省从一个富有的省分折腾到如今需要别的省救济的，
就打死也不会投ＮＤＰ

 

[stjoseph]

看来你对世界政治理解有限。台湾民进党不算右翼，实际上比国民党更左一
些，台湾的几个党严格说来主要是用蓝绿（是否支持台独）来区分的。
印度人民党确实是右翼，但是他们的经济搞得比左翼的国大党好多了。印度
如果早20年让人民党执政，现在很可能早已超过了中国。

最初由 northernwolf 发布
看一看当今世界上那个右派或极右政党把本国或地区经济搞好了？美国的共和党不仅把美国搞掺了，也把世界经
济拉到低谷。台湾的陈ＳＢ把台湾搞得一蹋糊涂。印度的人民党也因经济不景气输给国大党。西班牙最近
的选举也是坚决支持美国对伊拉克动武的执政党人民党在选举中落败，左派工人社会党获胜。因此说右派
政党能把加拿大经济搞好的说法简直是痴人说梦。ＮＤＰ是很有理想的政党，投ＮＤＰ。

 

[northernwolf]

最初由 stjoseph 发布
看来你对世界政治理解有限。台湾民进党不算右翼，实际上比国民党更左一
些，台湾的几个党严格说来主要是用蓝绿（是否支持台独）来区分的。
印度人民党确实是右翼，但是他们的经济搞得比左翼的国大党好多了。印度
如果早20年让人民党执政，现在很可能早已超过了中国。

民进党还不算右派政府，那台湾自然就没右派了。
你既然对世界政治了解得多，就请举出十个八个例子来，说明右派政党执政把那些国家经济搞得很好。

 

[northernwolf]

最初由 007 发布
看看ＮＤＰ是怎么支持工会，把ＢＣ省从一个富有的省分折腾到如今需要别的省救济的，
就打死也不会投ＮＤＰ

很有煽动性，请给几个证据说明
１ＮＤＰ的确支持ＢＣ的工会瞎折腾
２ＢＣ是ＮＤＰ执政的。
３ＢＣ的确需要其他省救济。
否则有瞎说的嫌疑。

 

[一把手]

最初由 northernwolf 发布


很有煽动性，请给几个证据说明
１ＮＤＰ的确支持ＢＣ的工会瞎折腾
２ＢＣ是ＮＤＰ执政的。
３ＢＣ的确需要其他省救济。
否则有瞎说的嫌疑。

你要反驳,所以请你举证:

1. 这几年, BC 有多少次罢工
2. 查查BC NDP执政了哪些年
3. 看看BC 省民的人均收入.

怎么搞的, 我说过不教你了,怎么又习惯性地辅导你了呢?

下不为例, 下不为例.

 

[northernwolf]

最初由 msft 发布


你要反驳,所以请你举证:

1. 这几年, BC 有多少次罢工
2. 查查BC NDP执政了哪些年
3. 看看BC 省民的人均收入.

怎么搞的, 我说过不教你了,怎么又习惯性地辅导你了呢?

下不为例, 下不为例.

哈哈，逻辑又出问题了不是？
１　ＢＣ有多少此罢工和ＮＤＰ支持工会能直接联系起来吗？
２　“BC NDP执政了哪些年”　能说明这几年是ＮＤＰ折腾的吗？
３　“BC 省民的人均收入”　能说明是靠其他省救济的吗？

回学校多学几年吧。你这种朽木我是没法教会你了。