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“在cfc读了一些你的帖子,觉得你对制药的股票很有研究,想问一下你从哪里能知道制药公司的产品将被fda approve 的时间表?”

I think this is a very sensible question. The Phase III results are probably more interesting as stock prices are more dependent on these results than on final approval.

I am not sure if FDA's website has a table or not.

If not, start from each bio company in Yahoo's industrial list and check out web page of each company. Normally, the time-line is mentioned in the product category of the website.

If anyone has a list of announcement dates of Phase III results, I will really appreciate sharing. We can share discussion of trading strategies using short-term options.
 
Interested in money but not in investment

These questions show strong interest in making money but not in making investment or speculation, both of which take a lot of time, effort and experience.......
 
SVA 3QER out

How will Mr. Market react to this all-round great report tomorrow? I can only wait until the market opens for a judgement.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Sinovac-Reports-Unaudited-prnews-883018133.html?x=0&.v=1

Financial Highlights
  • Sales for the third quarter increased 142% to $21.2 million
  • Sales for the nine-month period increased 40% to $47.8 million
  • Operating income for the third quarter rose 436% to $12.4 million
  • Operating income for the nine-month period increased 90% to $23.7 million.
  • Net income attributable to the shareholders increased 606% to $5.2 million in the third quarter, with diluted EPS of $0.12
  • Cash and cash equivalents at September 30, 2009 was $46.6 million.
 
SVA 3QER: under 0.6 million doses of H1N1 were booked for the quarter

That leaves to Q4 nearly 11 millions of doses already being ordered and delivered before the year is out.

This is truly an exponential growth story unfolding right under our noses, folks. Can't wait for what Mr. Yin has to say at tomorrow's CC.

One learns how to crawl before walking, and walk before running. IMHO, SVA is still in its infancy and will run one day in the not so distant future! I see a Chinese GSK in the making. Do your DD and get in in the infancy if you share my view.
 
Mr. Market has proven today that I was deadly wrong with SVA

The price I paid for being wrong is the tanking value of my brokerage account, for which I was fully prepared. While a big drop is hard to take on great news, I have no control whatsoever over how the big boys want to play the game. I am in SVA not for today nor for tomorrow only, the CC reaffirmed my conviction (there is definitely room for their English to improve, though, haha).
 
The price I paid for being wrong is the tanking value of my brokerage account, for which I was fully prepared. While a big drop is hard to take on great news, I have no control whatsoever over how the big boys want to play the game. I am in SVA not for today nor for tomorrow only, the CC reaffirmed my conviction (there is definitely room for their English to improve, though, haha).

俺以为,SVA在2-3个月里将站立在20以上
HINI在中国还没有大规模爆发,1-2个月里,将有大量感染,疫苗订单将是天文数量几的
俺正在逐步买入,OPTION因为以前没碰过,MR.JIA有没有可能请教一下啊;)
 
俺以为,SVA在2-3个月里将站立在20以上
HINI在中国还没有大规模爆发,1-2个月里,将有大量感染,疫苗订单将是天文数量几的
俺正在逐步买入,OPTION因为以前没碰过,MR.JIA有没有可能请教一下啊;)

期权的风险比股票要大得多! 明年4月15定价的多权今天就是我0.9开的盘. 可以教你期权的基本常识,但得先请我喝好酒,哈哈!舍得吗?
 
期权的风险比股票要大得多! 明年4月15定价的多权今天就是我0.9开的盘. 可以教你期权的基本常识,但得先请我喝好酒,哈哈!舍得吗?

好酒好肉给好朋友,这个没问题
只是给您打个预防针,俺不会也不喜欢喝酒,到时候只能您喝酒俺喝茶了;)
 
好酒好肉给好朋友,这个没问题
只是给您打个预防针,俺不会也不喜欢喝酒,到时候只能您喝酒俺喝茶了;)

那样更好,省得有人跟我抢酒呢!不过,我也是只赏好酒不酗酒的.点酒的事你不用费心,只要舍得付账单就行,哈哈.
 
SVA

It performed better than I thought. My following understanding made me not to bet on SVA but I could be wrong:

1. Vaccines like H1N1 etc are a type of commodity. In other words, the threshold for entry is low and pricing power is weak. The virus is decoded by some institution and then is generally available for anyone that is qualified to manufacture.

2. SVA is too dependent on H1N1, which may not be as serious as people initially predicted. Plus, it is one-time event.

If H1N1 is becoming more serious, there is definitely more room to go for SVA as today's market reaction is still positive, given the hightened expectations before the report ...
 
Your understanding is way off. H1N1 vaccine orders did not even figure in the 3Q for revenue. It is the sale of Healive, Bilive, Anflu and Panflu that made the impressive quarterly revenue and earnings. Q4 will be a blow out as there were already over 11M doses of Panflu.1 being ordered that will be delivered within the quarter. Every eye was on Panflu.1 but management could not reveal the pricing and I gather that was what tanked the stock today. I am just one international order away from making a fortune.

It performed better than I thought. My following understanding made me not to bet on SVA but I could be wrong:

1. Vaccines like H1N1 etc are a type of commodity. In other words, the threshold for entry is low and pricing power is weak. The virus is decoded by some institution and then is generally available for anyone that is qualified to manufacture.

2. SVA is too dependent on H1N1, which may not be as serious as people initially predicted. Plus, it is one-time event.

If H1N1 is becoming more serious, there is definitely more room to go for SVA as today's market reaction is still positive, given the hightened expectations before the report ...
 
lazycatcat: you have talked about hunting for big elephants many times now. IMHO, SVA is a big elephant in the making right under our noses. Look at their product mix that is already taking in good cash and the pipeline: vaccines for animal and human rabies, menningitis, pnuemonia, foot and mouth disease. With their leading edge in research capacity and backing of the government, I am very hopeful that some of these pipeline prodcuts will be online in the not so distant future.

H1N1 isn't going away in a day or two. When the northern hemisphere gets out of winter, the southern hemisphere will enter winter. As China's demand will likely go down and domestic manufacturers may be able to supply sufficient vaccines, the government should allow SVA to export. Those international distribution agreements were not signed just to make friends!

RMB is likely to appreciate against US $. That should drive revenues and earnings higher in US$ terms.

Another issue to ponder: suppose this was a Canadian/American company, would we not love it to sell in China? SVA is in BJ and selling in China, my friend!

To know how deadly a pandemic influenza could be to human beings, I advise you to read about the 1918 Spanish influeza. We are very lucky now to have SVA and the likes to have the vaccine preventing a human disaster at an undescribably large scale.

SVA pps is decided by big boys, so is any other stock. I don't pump any stock I own. And the rational is very simple: how people reading this forum trade has no bearing whatsoever on any stock's pps. I am sharing my thought here with you for I feel you are a nice guy.

Over the next while, I will sell other non-performning positions to increase my already over-sized SVA holdings. I have been waiting patiently for a stock or two to plunge in. Being too conservative on DNDN early on, I am plunging into SVA now. A big fortune or disaster will be made, and I am giving it my best shot!

Again, I have been wrong many times before and I am sure I will be wrong many times going forward. Being wrong or right, I am a man and do things a man must do. As for SVA, I see a big forest beyond the tree. Do your own DD and good luck!

It performed better than I thought. My following understanding made me not to bet on SVA but I could be wrong:

1. Vaccines like H1N1 etc are a type of commodity. In other words, the threshold for entry is low and pricing power is weak. The virus is decoded by some institution and then is generally available for anyone that is qualified to manufacture.

2. SVA is too dependent on H1N1, which may not be as serious as people initially predicted. Plus, it is one-time event.

If H1N1 is becoming more serious, there is definitely more room to go for SVA as today's market reaction is still positive, given the hightened expectations before the report ...
 
SVA

Thanks for the comments. I couldn't figure out SVA due mainly to following details:

1. SVA is one of FOUR H1N1 suppliers to Beijing government. It is not clear to me who are the other three.

2. SVA's net margin is at 25% and is obviously quite respectable. The R&D spending is pretty low at around $5 M per year. This is a bit puzzling but may fit into my speculation that SVA is more focused on manufacturing side of vaccines.

3. SVA has 11 M doses of H1N1 order outstanding. Based on a very rough estimate on its other vaccine prices, it is about $4.45 per dose. So, this is another $50 M revenue and $12 M net profit (at 25% net margin).

4. SVA has $45 M revenue in the first nine months and the CEO said the company was on tract to realize $60 M in 2009. So, Q4 would be $15 M revenue and $3.75 net profit. This also implies majority of H1N1 order won't be filled till 2010.

5. To justify market cap of $300 M (net of cash), the company has to grow revenue at 30%. At this point, the only source of that growth is probably H1N1 or other future vaccines.

So, Jia, I would appreciate it if you can share your digging on SVA on its sources of high growth, in addition to H1N1 story ...
 
All announced 11.49M doses of Panflu.1 have to be delivered by December 12 (see PRs). In other words, nearly 11M will be recorded for Q4. The company is not allowed to reveal pricing but rough estimates have been widely reported to be around 20-22 yuan (US$3-3.2). The low end will give about US$30M revenue from Panflu.1 alone. The yearly revenue estimate range of 55-60M was given way before H1N1. Assuming it does and sells nothing else after December 12, annual renenue will be at the minimum of 80M. The CEO said "we are on track to EXCEED ... not realize ...". Athough this kind of "under promise" and "over deliver" attitude hurts the PPS in the short run, I like the CEO's style. On the announced Panful.1 orders alone, I am anticipating a blow out Q4 and have hence taken necessary steps to position myself. I need patience to wait until Feb.

SVA is a very rare case of BIO that is generating revenue and income. DNDN, HGSI and the like don't even have any product on the market yet their MCAP is exceeding 3-5B. High growth BIO commends very high P/S ratios, leaving alone P/E (many are highly negative).

There are a total of 8 H1N1 vaccine manufacturers in China. The Central Government purchases vaccines from all manufacturers and distributes to local CDC's. I have no idea who is supplying vaccines for BJ or any other place.

If you compare this Q3 and last year's Q3 ER, you will see very clearly where the source of growth comes from: all the 4 vaccines it makes and sells: Healive, Bilive, Anflu and Panflu. I have said it earler that Panflu.1 hardly figiured in this Q3 revenue.

This is from the ER: During the third quarter of 2009, sales were $21.2 million, up 142% from $8.7 million in the third quarter of 2008. During the third quarter of 2009, Sinovac's unit dose sales were:

Three months ended September 30, 2009 2008 (000 doses)
----------- -----------
Healive 989 1,087

Bilive 215 28

Anflu 4,312 512

Panflu (H5N1) 20 0

PANFLU.1 (H1N1) 586 0

We have communicated quite a bit. My feeling is that you are very contradictory from one case to another. On many occasions, you said you want to get in BIO that will release trial data. But in the case of SVA, you have the revenue and income to work with and you are applying traditional valuation. Simply put, traditional valuation doesn't work in the BIO world.

I have no idea how SVA will trade tomorrow, the day after, this week, next week. My eyes are on Q4 and thereafter.

My understanding is that SVA is closely associated with BJ university and a lot of research work is done by the BIO students at very low cost.

Let me repeat, stock operation is very personal. With different perspectives, we can discuss the companies to death and yet come up with very different views. My SVA position is rather big (Jan. 7.5 and 10 calls, -Jan. 7.5 puts, April 10, 12.5 and 15 calls). The drop since yesterday has eaten up all my sizable paper profits by today's close (close to 70K). Today, I sold some non-performing positions to have dry powder on hand such that I can add April options should it drop further. Let me stop with that.

Thanks for the comments. I couldn't figure out SVA due mainly to following details:

1. SVA is one of FOUR H1N1 suppliers to Beijing government. It is not clear to me who are the other three.

2. SVA's net margin is at 25% and is obviously quite respectable. The R&D spending is pretty low at around $5 M per year. This is a bit puzzling but may fit into my speculation that SVA is more focused on manufacturing side of vaccines.

3. SVA has 11 M doses of H1N1 order outstanding. Based on a very rough estimate on its other vaccine prices, it is about $4.45 per dose. So, this is another $50 M revenue and $12 M net profit (at 25% net margin).

4. SVA has $45 M revenue in the first nine months and the CEO said the company was on tract to realize $60 M in 2009. So, Q4 would be $15 M revenue and $3.75 net profit. This also implies majority of H1N1 order won't be filled till 2010.

5. To justify market cap of $300 M (net of cash), the company has to grow revenue at 30%. At this point, the only source of that growth is probably H1N1 or other future vaccines.

So, Jia, I would appreciate it if you can share your digging on SVA on its sources of high growth, in addition to H1N1 story ...
 
A fun reading to ponder

http://web.wenxuecity.com/BBSView.php?SubID=finance&MsgID=1712379

SVA长期被打压,有很大的原因,昨天我的朋友和SVA高层通过电话,他们也暗示有行动,看看我的朋友给SVA啊写的信(他们表示认可),供参考:
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亲爱的尹卫东CEO,

今天,SVA在NASDAQ上的上市表现比较让人失望.我个人分析,主要原因可能是被西方大药厂遥控的对冲基金肆意做空的结果. 他们这么干的目的,可能是为了扼杀中国最有希望的新兴疫苗企业SVA, 让你们股价得不到提升, 融不到大笔资金, 进而减缓对他们的根本威胁.

为了击败这些恶毒的西方金融杀手,你们不但要在公司经营上继续保持优异的成绩,更重要的是打好幕后金融战,建议如下:

1.联系实力强大的大型股市投资公司, 主动出击做多, 通过连续拉升, 进行逼空, 进而击破空头,使股价实现价值回归, 如果能联系到国家主权基金--中国投资公司出手更好, 中国人帮中国人更放心.

2.积极占领西方主流舆论阵地, 要主动上西方主流财经媒体CNBC, 华尔街日报亮相, 宣传公司的超速扩张潜力, 和未来光明的发展空间, 吸引西方大型投资型基金加盟抬轿,这是典型的花小钱,挣大钱,把钱花在这上面太值了.

3.从股东分析看, SVA缺乏有势力的大基金重仓你们的股票.如果能联系到巴飞特, 索罗斯, 高盛及其相关子公司做多SVA,就更好了.凭SVA的扩张性和高成长性,股价上30,一点问题没有.

3.调查谁在背后做空, 给他们警告,让他们收敛.如果他们确实是西方药企支持的资金,要在西方主流媒体上揭露他们的阴险做法.
 
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